interesting opinion about the not so magical mouse

[BuzzinDownToDisney]

That is classic!! Kids...

When I asked him what it tasted like he said "Soap"

Good to know Mousekeeping is doing a good job on the windows at BLT

 

[HulkBuster]

who is at a disadvantage? people who show up same day spur of the moment? technically i think they shouldn't get privileges over those who are resort guests, or people who planned there trip at least a month out. and what "group" am i in pray tell?

the group that this system favors is where you are .. anyone without onsite reservations and don't know they must get fps two moths in advance are shut out of some attractions .. I never heard of a more fair system than first come first serve suck that up

 

[HulkBuster]

*more fair* is nothing but code for *it helps me*

 

[SmithSmith]

So if we don't tour your way we have blinders on? This argument from the anti-FP crowd that rides that never had waits now do is absolutely rubbish. I have pics of me drenched in sweat waiting on 30+ minute queues for HM, PPF, and Pirates from multiple trips from the early 2000s. The "Good Ol' Days" weren't as good as many here try to imply. Lines always existed and anyone claiming they did not are in fact, wearing blinders.

Exactly! Well said. We always remember things better than they actually were, hence the saying "It's always greater later".

 

[disneydude365]

the group that this system favors is where you are anyone without onsite reservations and don't know they must get fps two moths in advance are shut out of some attractions I never heard of a more fair system than first come first serve suck that up

so it favors those without onsite reservations? .. lol ok

it offers a better chance for people doesn't guarantee technically they need to book 30 days out not 60. 60 is for the resort guest i believe.
thats where planning comes in learning before you go getting informed. its not the people who knew faults that the ones who didn't know didn't know.

so you're saying it was fair for the people who had no way to get the old system because they were sold out before they could arrive? due to medical reasons?

 

[disneydude365]

*more fair* is nothing but code for *it helps me*

no more fair means reaching out to a wider option. more people have the chance to grab a ride that they want. people are greedy and liked the paper because they could wind up with 6-7 or more, and now they hate the cages of 3 well honestly id be happy with 1 per guest if you wanna just lay it all out.

 

[SmithSmith]

the group that this system favors is where you are anyone without onsite reservations and don't know they must get fps two moths in advance are shut out of some attractions I never heard of a more fair system than first come first serve suck that up

FYI: There were plenty of guests that were completely unaware that legacy FP was free for everyone to use. People aren't just ignorant about FP+ now, they were ignorant back then too.

 

[HulkBuster]

so it favors those without onsite reservations? .. lol ok

it offers a better chance for people doesn't guarantee technically they need to book 30 days out not 60. 60 is for the resort guest i believe.
thats where planning comes in learning before you go getting informed. its not the people who knew faults that the ones who didn't know didn't know.

so you're saying it was fair for the people who had no way to get the old system because they were sold out before they could arrive? due to medical reasons?

there are medical conditions that prevent people from getting to a them park before 10 .. "lol ok" and read my previus post again you missed

 

[disneydude365]

there are medical conditions that prevent people from getting to a them park before 10 .. "lol ok" and read my previus post again you missed

get educated and don't dismiss what you have no intelligence of. they have to have treatment, they have sleep disorders, easily sick in mornings due to regular received treatments, or side effects of condition.

someone can look healthy and be so much more than lets on to the eye. i know some people abuse the system but there are truly sick people, and before you bring out then why are they at disney they may not have much time eft and want to try to enjoy what they have left, and yea the fast pass+ system helps!

and like previous post said they were oblivious of the original, people are oblivious and expect things to be dropped in front of them with a bow. well guess what life isn't always revolving around 1 person its got so many others especially at disney and the ones who are to lazy to do some planning deserve what they get, while the ones who spent time and energy into trying to make things work early on

 

[disneydude365]

*i* have a sleep disorder so don't assume im the ignorant idiot you think .. moving on cuz im bored with you anyway enjoy your disney

thanks to fast pass+ I'm sure i will dude! thanks!

 

[Nancyg56]

While I agree that the germs part of her article was ridiculous, I agree with most of the rest of it. This topic is beating a dead horse, but its amazing to me the amount of people on here who either have blinders on or have never experienced the old fastpass system. People claim you can still be spontaneous, but the rides that used to be 15-20 minute waits at most (Pirates, HM, Small World) are now an hour wait. So ok great, you ride 3 headliners with FP+, and then what? We went last February at what was supposed to be a slower time, and the lines for Pirates and HM were insane.

I have experienced both systems, and had no issues with FP+. I had issues with my timing, but that would have happened with the old FP, and I was to blame. I also went expecting to see longer SB lines and I did! The parks were mobbed, and I went in October when it used to be much slower. I wonder if you experienced increased crowd levels which increased SB times.

I found that for the most part, the pre scheduling of attractions worked in my favor. I did not need to gallop to the FP queue early in the day in order to gain that precious FP to one of the headliners. I toured as I had done previously, hitting the parks early in the day, going on as many attractions as possible, and using my FP in between.

This system will not work for everyone, and because I benefitted from it does not diminish that others are less than enchanted. The author however, turned what could have been a very thoughtful article about how theme parks are no longer fly by the seat of your pants, spontaneous adventures, and then gone on to describe how her own experience (hers.....not tall tales of anonymous guests) had changed. Instead she parodied her experience and lost any credibility.

 

[LvsTnk]

*trying to stay positive for our trip in just a few days*

This. 4th trip too since this mess started

 

[Nancyg56]

im sorry the new one is a huge disadvantage to a lot of other people I can tell which group your in

No system is going to benefit every guest. I admit that there were aspects of the old system I preferred, but to be honest, I hated having to have FP runner, and hated that if I got to the parks later in the day, I was out if luck for headliner attractions. Let's be fair. It works for some, and not for others. Depends how u=you used to tour.

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

*more fair* is nothing but code for *it helps me*

I agree. This system is no more fair than legacy fast pass. It's like we went from a capitalistic system to a socialist one. Neither one is necessarily more fair than the other - they are just different and will benefit different people in different ways. But no, to say one is more fair than the other is not accurate. And yes, those who had learned how to make legacy fast pass work for them did stand in significantly shorter lines because they knew what to ride when. Every ride wasn't a walk on, but my family and I had no problems doing everything we wanted to in a day at Magic Kingdom with no longer than a 20 minute wait for anything when we had legacy fast pass. This includes doing many of the rides multiple times. We are big fans of doing Jungle Cruise, Thunder Mountain, and Splash Mountain during the day and again at night. Anyway, that's not going to happen with FP+. But, people who choose to sleep in are now able to get fast passes for Soarin' and TSMM when in the past, they likely would have been out by the time these people arrived. Or, if they weren't out, these people would only be able to pull one fast pass for the ride and would not get to ride it more than once unless they stood in line for hours. So, with the new system, everyone has equal results where as the legacy system provided people with equal opportunity. It's really all about how you and your family tour as to which system will most benefit you. For us, it was easily legacy. For others, it's FP+.

 

[HulkBuster]

No system is going to benefit every guest. I admit that there were aspects of the old system I preferred, but to be honest, I hated having to have FP runner, and hated that if I got to the parks later in the day, I was out if luck for headliner attractions. Let's be fair. It works for some, and not for others. Depends how u=you used to tour.

i get that .. no problem .. but this "more fair" stuff is total hooey that was my point

 

[anniemae]

I burst out laughing when she was talking about how fickle the magic bands are and she said, "may the odds ever be in your favor."

That is how I felt. My band NEVER worked at the gates. they always had me try and try, then flag over a supervisor with a clip board, then ask me a series of questions before allowing me entrance, while my family waited.

 

[Suvadoo]

I burst out laughing when she was talking about how fickle the magic bands are and she said, "may the odds ever be in your favor."

That is how I felt. My band NEVER worked at the gates. they always had me try and try, then flag over a supervisor with a clip board, then ask me a series of questions before allowing me entrance, while my family waited.

Are you sure your band didn't work? According to a pp the bands work 100% of the time!

 

[anniemae]

It actually became a running joke every day. Taking bets on how long it would take me to get through the gate. I swear I was on some sort of "list"

 

[Terra Nova guy]

I won’t go into too much detail about the HuffPo article because it’s too ridiculous to waste my time on. But a couple quick points from the article; if MagicBands or door locks or anything else is not working, talk to management and get it fixed; if you haven’t brought snacks or fed your family properly, shame on you, it’s your fault, not Disney’s; germs are everywhere, get over it and wash your hands, Disney didn't deliberately put germs on their queues just for an extra bit of “magic”.

I just don’t understand all the complaints about planning. If you go on any vacation, don’t you research? Plan what hotel to stay in, what transportation options are available, what sights you want to see, what restaurants are close by, if it’s a popular restaurant, perhaps even make a reservation? If you don’t like planning your vacations, just go to an all-inclusive resort in the Caribbean and lie on the beach for a week.

I had a great trip to WDW in October. Yes, I did a lot of planning. Yes, I made ADRs every day. I made FP+ bookings every day. But you know what? Everything worked. MagicBands, FP+, memory maker, ADRs. I actually enjoyed a trip to Disney World! I might even go again if I am fortunate enough to have the time and money for another family vacation.
If you don’t like the planning, you don’t have to do it. I don’t buy all the arguments that Disney has “forced you to plan”. FP+ is voluntary. Just like FP- was voluntary. If you want to wake up in the morning and “wing it”, you still can. Disney has simply given you a tool that may help save some time. And for all those out there saying “oh, but they only give you three and by the time you can get a fourth, everything good is gone”, well how is that different than the paper FP system? Didn't the FP- for Toy Story, Test Track, Soarin’, etc. always run out in the afternoon?

Honestly, I joined Disboards a month ago because after doing a few trips to WDW, I thought "maybe I can help somebody". Or "maybe I can get help for my next trip". I thought that was the point of these forums? Sorry to say it, but most of what I've seen in the last month is a bunch of bitter people complaining about something they claim to enjoy. I’m not sure I’ll be continuing with this. Disney is supposed to be my happy place. Disboards is not

 

[DVCcurious]

My favorite part is when she's talking about germs, germs, everywhere germs!

It made me think of Elsa. And her gloves.

You remember when Anna is talking to Kristoff?

"But the thing is she wore the gloves all the time, so I just thought maybe she has a thing about dirt."