Interesting conversation in cabanas on the fantasy Saturday 9/7. Retiring the Magic?

[OKW Lover]

I'm curious what the post Wish-Class ships are like

I think they will stick with that design for a while

 

[Cfabar1]

Makes sense with Magic doing PC in spring. Was wondering what that would mean.

What it means for me, is I may have to fly over to SD in 2026 to catch the Wonder since I've never been on it, and won't be going all the way to Australia for a cruise!

 

[bcwife76]

I heard a rumor on our recent cruise that Magic will go to Alaska in 2026 and Wonder will stay in NZ/AUS year round...

Could be... who knows...

I'm curious what the post Wish-Class ships are like... hope they aren't like the new Monstrosities of the Seas....

The Wonder comes back from aus and goes to SD in spring 2026 however. Plus the cruise schedule for the port of Sydney has dates posted through June 2027 and the last time the Wonder appears on that schedule is Feb 1 2027.

 

[Cfabar1]

The Wonder comes back from aus and goes to SD in spring 2026 however. Plus the cruise schedule for the port of Sydney has dates posted through June 2027 and the last time the Wonder appears on that schedule is Feb 1 2027.

Good to know! That's why you can't put too much in rumors!

 

[LAS2AMS]

Good to know! That's why you can't put too much in rumors!

Well, OP mentioned 2028 and that’s through 2027, so doesn’t exactly invalidate the rumor .

 

[o&smom]

What it means for me, is I may have to fly over to SD in 2026 to catch the Wonder since I've never been on it, and won't be going all the way to Australia for a cruise!

We absolutely love the Magic and the Wonder. Trying to take advantage of any opportunity to sail on them before what shall not be named. Wonder booked for Alaska in September, 2025 and Magic booked for WBPC in April, 2026.

 

[obsesseddisneyfan]

I'm curious what the post Wish-Class ships are like... hope they aren't like the new Monstrosities of the Seas....

I assume they will as big as works for there business. But if replacing the Magic and Wonder they would need to make sure the new ships are small enough to go to some of the places that are starting to (or at least talking about) making requirements that the cruise ships are no bigger then a certain size. I am looking at you Alaska and you Norway. There are also ports that the big ships just can not dock. So only having large ships could hamper where they want to offer cruises too.

 

[CaseyCruiser]

We were on the Magic last week. It was the second time we cruised on her this year. I love the Magic and Wonder but my gut feeling is that they will be retired in the next couple years.

 

[kiford]

The dates may be off but you’d be deluding yourself to think that there hasn’t been sunset planning of the Magic and Wonder. 30 years is a very long life for a cruise ship and eventually will not be cost effective to main them. I think Disney will not sell them off to be given a second life with a regional cruise operator. That might extend the life to 35ish years but eventually. We will be saying goodbye.

DH was trained not to discuss high-level confidential matters in public, even with colleagues, to avoid being overheard, even when the topics were unlikely to be understood by the average person. They were also prohibited from viewing documents or emails in public. Given how Disney keeps everything close to their chest, it’s hard to believe that someone senior enough to be involved in long-term capital decisions—usually made at the highest levels—wouldn’t be similarly trained.

While it’s very probable that the ships will be decommissioned in the next few years, it’s unlikely that such high-level staff would discuss these matters in public. Even if they weren’t entirely in public, there could have been lower-level staff around. In my organization, we are super careful about discussing anything potentially confidential or controversial around staff members not already privy to that information. More likely, somewhat senior staff with limited knowledge are speculating and providing their opinions on what they would do.

 

[Dug720]

While it’s very probable that the ships will be decommissioned in the next few years, it’s unlikely that such high-level staff would discuss these matters in public. Even if they weren’t entirely in public, there could have been lower-level staff around. In my organization, we are super careful about discussing anything potentially confidential or controversial around staff members not already privy to that information. More likely, somewhat senior staff with limited knowledge are speculating and providing their opinions on what they would do.

This. I am shocked that they would have such a conversation of anything other than random speculation where the public or regular crew could overhear it. Especially in this day and age with the internet and instant sharing of "OMG I heard..."

 

[schepp]

We were on the Magic earlier this month and talking with crew members that had some engineering knowledge, the Magic has seven years maximum life. They also said it was still scheduled for another dry dock which makes little sense if they are getting rid of her in the next couple of years.

As to the new ships - according to the Cruise Ship Orderbook, they will be different from the Wish class ships based on the information listed for the current Wish class ships. This is just preliminary information from an industry source. https://cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-ship-orderbook/

Year	Cruise Line	Ship	Cost(1)	Tonnage	Capacity	Yard	Sailing	Delivery
2024	Disney	Treasure	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2025	Disney	Adventure	$1,800	208,000	6,000	MV Werften	Asia	Q4
2025	Disney	Destiny	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2027	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2028	OLC/Disney	Unnamed	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Asia	Q4
2029	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2030	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2031	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA

(1) In Millions (USD) | Costs May Be Estimated

 

[happycamper47]

We were on the Magic earlier this month and talking with crew members that had some engineering knowledge, the Magic has seven years maximum life. They also said it was still scheduled for another dry dock which makes little sense if they are getting rid of her in the next couple of years.

As to the new ships - according to the Cruise Ship Orderbook, they will be different from the Wish class ships based on the information listed for the current Wish class ships. This is just preliminary information from an industry source. https://cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-ship-orderbook/

Year	Cruise Line	Ship	Cost(1)	Tonnage	Capacity	Yard	Sailing	Delivery
2024	Disney	Treasure	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2025	Disney	Adventure	$1,800	208,000	6,000	MV Werften	Asia	Q4
2025	Disney	Destiny	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2027	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2028	OLC/Disney	Unnamed	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Asia	Q4
2029	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2030	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2031	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA

(1) In Millions (USD) | Costs May Be Estimated

But not as big as the Adventure or even MEGA SHIPS at 240,000.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

We were on the Magic earlier this month and talking with crew members that had some engineering knowledge, the Magic has seven years maximum life. They also said it was still scheduled for another dry dock which makes little sense if they are getting rid of her in the next couple of years.

As to the new ships - according to the Cruise Ship Orderbook, they will be different from the Wish class ships based on the information listed for the current Wish class ships. This is just preliminary information from an industry source. https://cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-ship-orderbook/

Year	Cruise Line	Ship	Cost(1)	Tonnage	Capacity	Yard	Sailing	Delivery
2024	Disney	Treasure	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2025	Disney	Adventure	$1,800	208,000	6,000	MV Werften	Asia	Q4
2025	Disney	Destiny	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2027	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2028	OLC/Disney	Unnamed	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Asia	Q4
2029	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2030	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2031	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA

(1) In Millions (USD) | Costs May Be Estimated

Well, that's discouraging. We much prefer the "smaller" ships. Even the Dream class is too big, IMO.

 

[ljhayes]

As to the new ships - according to the Cruise Ship Orderbook, they will be different from the Wish class ships based on the information listed for the current Wish class ships. This is just preliminary information from an industry source. https://cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-ship-orderbook/

Year	Cruise Line	Ship	Cost(1)	Tonnage	Capacity	Yard	Sailing	Delivery
2024	Disney	Treasure	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2025	Disney	Adventure	$1,800	208,000	6,000	MV Werften	Asia	Q4
2025	Disney	Destiny	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2027	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2028	OLC/Disney	Unnamed	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Asia	Q4
2029	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2030	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2031	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA

(1) In Millions (USD) | Costs May Be Estimated

I really don't want this to be accurate but I will not be surprised if it is.

 

[o&smom]

We were on the Magic earlier this month and talking with crew members that had some engineering knowledge, the Magic has seven years maximum life. They also said it was still scheduled for another dry dock which makes little sense if they are getting rid of her in the next couple of years.

As to the new ships - according to the Cruise Ship Orderbook, they will be different from the Wish class ships based on the information listed for the current Wish class ships. This is just preliminary information from an industry source. https://cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-ship-orderbook/

Year	Cruise Line	Ship	Cost(1)	Tonnage	Capacity	Yard	Sailing	Delivery
2024	Disney	Treasure	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2025	Disney	Adventure	$1,800	208,000	6,000	MV Werften	Asia	Q4
2025	Disney	Destiny	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Carib	Q4
2027	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2028	OLC/Disney	Unnamed	$900	140,000	2,500	Meyer Werft	Asia	Q4
2029	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2030	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA
2031	Disney	Unnamed	$1,300	160,000	3,000	Meyer Werft	TBA	TBA

(1) In Millions (USD) | Costs May Be Estimated

Disney might be losing us. Don’t want to cruise with even more of my closest friends. Would still consider Fantasy and Dream after Magic and Wonder are gone.

 

[Snowwhyt]

interesting. 2028 would put her at her next scheduled dry dock. Perhaps the hull is getting a little too thin? If thats the case I can only guess it would be expensive to get her past inspection. Maybe it's a wait and see approach?

So I know nothing first off. But your comment makes me think. (dangerous I know.) If they can stretch out the Enchantment of the Sea couldn’t they give the Magic a new hull? Can’t they just place the top on a new bottom. (I’m sure that answer is no, probably just the torque on the main frame would ruin so much trying to move it over)

 

[Atlantix2000]

We were on the Magic earlier this month and talking with crew members that had some engineering knowledge, the Magic has seven years maximum life. They also said it was still scheduled for another dry dock which makes little sense if they are getting rid of her in the next couple of years.

Every ship is required by maritime law to dry dock every X years based on its age (with X decreasing as age goes up) for routine maintenance and inspections. I'm not positive on the details but I believe once a ship hits 20 years old, it is required to dry dock every 5 years. Dry dock slots fill up years in advance so DCL will definitely keep scheduling the Magic until it is officially retired.

 

[jwalk03]

Well, that's discouraging. We much prefer the "smaller" ships. Even the Dream class is too big, IMO.

That's just not the direction any of the mass market cruise lines are headed. Its far more cost effective to sail these larger ships and they are just more popular for the average customer because they have so many more bells & whistles.

I mean when is the last time any major cruise line build a ship in the same size ballpark as the Magic or Wonder?

 

[Snowwhyt]

So some ports are setting limits on how many people can flood the ports. So is there a market for the ports that would allow the smaller ships?
I’m sure we can find a way to justify those prices that go up. “It’s the smaller port's, so we have to charge more” won’t that be a thing?

 

[LAS2AMS]

So some ports are setting limits on how many people can flood the ports. So is there a market for the ports that would allow the smaller ships?
I’m sure we can find a way to justify those prices that go up. “It’s the smaller port's, so we have to charge more” won’t that be a thing?

It’s a handful of ports, almost exclusively in Europe (and some in Alaska). With Mega Ships, the attraction is the ship itself. Hence why most are based out of Florida with itineraries gradually changing to “sea day, $pa enhanced $ea day, our private island with plenty of upsells, sea sea, token required stop at Nassau most of you will skip, sea day, end!”

DCL gets a smaller premium in Europe that it does to Florida. Most of its Florida cruises are priced higher — the ONlLY cruise line that’s tire of. Disney makes more $$$ from similar sailings Florida, Europe is offered in part to appease its base.

Reality is that Disney is ordering more ships to bring the Disney cruise ship off the coast of Florida, California, New York, United Kingsom, etc. They’re not buying new ships to bring people to the Norwegian Fjords.

I get that some of you love the Wish/ Magic. But many of you forget a Disney is a for profit corporation. Which is crazy because Disney has a storied history of cutting expenses and slashing budgets to increase profits. But I get it keeps the nostalgia .