Interesting comment about CR DVC

[megrod74]

Someone on the Resorts board posted that a maintenance man at CR told them this:

The sad part is North wing will be torn down in 2006 to build a highrise Vacation Club. He said it's to be very luxurious. Be totally seperate from CR.

I just thought it was strange that a CM would tell them this. Do you think this is official info?

 

[Cruelladeville]

No, I don't see how that can be official, since they just announced a 2nd phase to SSR. Eventually SSR will encompass the Fairway Villas, though apparently not ever the Treehouse villas. It seems the Treehouse villas were built in a designated wilderness area. They still have the property available at the Osprey Ridge golf courses over by the campground, too. Of course, DVC loves tacking units on to existing hotels so they don't have to start from scratch, so it's possible, I guess, but 2006? Maybe the date is wrong, that would seem to be too soon.

 

[DisneyMim]

I've posted this before....... Last year we were talking to a CM and he mentioned something about this too. I know, I know, these rumors have been circulating for years and I realize that not many DVC members believe it, but I feel there has to be something in this rumor. I guess we will see eventually.

Very interesting megrod 74. We will be there very soon and am going to see if any other CMS have a rumor to share.

 

[JimC]

2006 might refer to the year that demolition will begin. That could make sense. If they do that I wonder what will become of the south wing. They could remover them both as far as I am concerned. Never did think they fit with the CR.

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by DisneyMim
I realize that not many DVC members believe it

I think it's as believable as any other rumor floating around. But until there is some substance to back it up, the information is of zero use to anyone. I certainly would delay buying or adding-on simply because one believes CR points will be available sometime before the end of the decade.

Personally, I did think it interesting that DVC decided in May to forego construction of another resort and continue to build at SSR. Much of SSR's infrastructure was clearly designed to support the original 12 building plan. Rather than developing at another location, DVC decided to grow SSR by 50% within days of its opening.

 

[megrod74]

Personally, I did think it interesting that DVC decided in May to forego construction of another resort and continue to build at SSR. Much of SSR's infrastructure was clearly designed to support the original 12 building plan. Rather than developing at another location, DVC decided to grow SSR by 50% within days of its opening.

Yes, I agree. That seemed strange to me too. Especially after hearing how far most buildings are from the main areas and how small the pool will be relative to the size of the resort.

 

[spiceycat]

I know just a rumor - oh but I hope it is true!!!!

I would love the Contemporary to be part of DVC.....It certainly hasn't hurt WL......

however if maintence has been told not update that part of the resort - then that would be a good reason.

but I don't know about a high rise - I though that was the reason the wings were low - the grounds couldn't surpose a high rise - of course that might solve that - but putting the structure closer to the Cont than the wings are - maybe partial in the parking lot.

I don't like heights - so I am hopping this one won't be that tall......

oh back in 1996 - DVC was selling HH, VB, BWV and OKW all at the same time - not a problem - the more they have to sell the more choices they can give new members.

and yes I have no doubt they could sell out Cont pretty fast - even at $125 (or more) a point. 2006 is pretty far away. that is a long time for this resort to not properly maintence the North wing.

 

[tjkraz]

OK, now I'll take a shot at dreaming.

There may actually be some merit to the "high rise" comment, based strictly on current DVC sales. If nothing else, I think the planned Phase 3 at SSR is an indication that DVC can no longer afford nickle and dime properties throughout WDW. The tiny little wings they built at WL and BC were each sold out in about a year's time. They then went nearly a year with NO available points to sell--and the same thing is apparently happening again. All four Phase 1 buildings at SSR are sold out, and until #5 opens, they are offering big discounts on points or including Developer's Points as an incentive.

I've said before that I think the next DVC resort will be absolutely huge. At least equal to the 800+ rooms they are putting at SSR.

If they were to make CR the home of 800-1000 DVC rooms, it would have a fantastic impact on the entire program. It would probably reduce some of the strain placed on BCV and VWL due to the current high demand. It would give all of us a wonderful new location to book. And, it would give DVC a property they could sell at record high prices.

Honestly, the CR tower doesn't impress me a whole lot. But a large volume of rooms on the monorail line, within walking distance of MK, would immediately become THE destination of choice for many, many members.

The proposed Eagle Pines resort would be...nice. But many people seem to favor location above and beyond any one single feature in the DVC resorts. SSR and EP would add tens of thousands of new DVC members to the program, and many would continue battling for BCV, BWV and VWL when available. CR would give the program another destination of choice--hopefully a HUGH destination--and ease some of those burdens across the program.

 

[grimgrinnin]

Didn't they actually put up those balloons they use for line-of-sight tests over one of the wings at the Contemporary about a year or so ago?

I thought they did, but maybe I'm getting my rumors confused


grim

 

[canda]

that would be a great rumor. that will be one of those hard to get outside the 11 month.

As for maintaince knowing anything, My FIL who is one would be the first to tell you that they are the last to know about anything.

It would be cool though. I have always thought if they did it there, they would have to tear down a wing and not just renovate. Would a high rise even 10 storys not mess up the view of CR?

 

[canda]

Did someone say that they were told not to maintain the North Wing cause it was coming down in a few years.

holes in walls, carpets ripped, paint chips, wallcovering torn, blinds and curtains not working. these are all things that happen a week after a brand new place opens. I would hate to see that place if that rumor is true.

 

[spiceycat]

the wings are to the side of the tower

so no I don't see even another tower messing up the sights - you are looking at Bay Lake - not the MK - there are in the back

http://www.wdwinfo.com/resortmaps/contempmap.jpg

I certainly don't see 800 or 1000 units in any building you could put back there.

DVC is pretty good about not building higher than the current resort.

I think that since both BCV and VWL sold out in a year - that is a good thing - not bad - WDW has yet to say what or if they are going to during anything with the wings at the CR.

I think if the rooms got that bad - the CR would just close off the wings - until WDW decided what they are going to do - update this building or simply sell it to DVD.

 

[LisaSt]

Our guide mentioned this to us last year and didn't say it was 100% but they were putting serious thought into it because of the number of requests from members wanting a monorail line DVC resort.

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by spiceycat
I think that since both BCV and VWL sold out in a year - that is a good thing - not bad -

Oh, don't get me wrong. I wasn't implying that it was bad that they sold out that quickly. However I do think there might have been a miscalculation in how long it would take to sell those two properties.

I still remember my very first post to the DVC board. I believe the title was "Where does DVC go from here?" The crux of the post was this--if DVC has built 5 resorts on-site in 12 years, does that mean 10 resorts in 25 years and 15 resorts in 40 years?

Now I realize that nobody really knows the answer to that question. It could be that at some point in the next 10-20 years, DVC will reach a point of saturation in which it isn't economically feasible to continue sales.

Anyway, back to my point. More than anything, I think the announcement of Phase 3 of SSR is an acknowledgement that DVC continues to grow beyond their wildest estimates. They are gonna ride this cash cow (how's that for mixed metaphors) as long as they can. But, what they cannot afford to do is litter the WDW landscape with little 200-300 room resorts that take 2+ years to build and sell-out in 12-18 months.

BCV took 13 months to sell-out its ~200 rooms.
SSR sold over 180 rooms' worth of points in about 11 months.

I just don't see the point in building only 200-300 rooms at the Contemporary. They could probably price the points at $125 and sell them in 9 months.

I'm not saying that I am absolutely right on this. And I certainly won't go as far as to guess what the design might look like. But we all know the demand exists. A DVC wing at the Contemporary could be a goldmine for DVC, and they'd be selling themselves short with a BCV-sized add-on.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Originally posted by spiceycat
DVC is pretty good about not building higher than the current resort.

Yes, but the current resort (the CR) is 15 stories high, and not really in anyone's sight lines. If they can come up with a floorplan that had 40 units/floor, a 14 story CRV (or is that VCR?) would have 560 units - and I bet they could fit in more.

 

[Pluto4Pres]

Here is a good view of the back of the CR:

http://www.wdwplanner.com/Images/Contemp/Copy_of_contempdistantview.jpg

There's not a lot of room to grow outside of its current footprint, but with the contemorary style of the building there's a lot you can do. Maybe they could make the new addition higher and somehow make it blend in?

 

[LisaSt]

Looking at the pic the link was posted to what side does everyone thing should be used for the DVC wing if they do this. I am thinking they will use the side by the canal between Bay lake and 7 seas lagoon. It is closer to the main building and also closer to the main pool. It also looks like they may have a bit more spance to put in a quiet pool for the wing itself.

 

[spiceycat]

no that is South wing.

the North wing is the other side.

Since the talk is just about the North wing - I don't see how (less WDW gives up both wings) - that DVC can make it alot bigger - that would unbalance the pair and I don't think DVC will ever make that decision.

Now if DVC gets both sides - then yes I could see a bigger building possible with as many units as you predicted.

but it is only the north wing that needs the work.

some on the north wing is cut off in this picture - it is the same size as the south wing.

 

[alvernon90]

Originally posted by tjkraz
But, what they cannot afford to do is litter the WDW landscape with little 200-300 room resorts that take 2+ years to build and sell-out in 12-18 months . . .
I just don't see the point in building only 200-300 rooms at the Contemporary.

I confess that I don't know much about the economics of building these DVC resorts, but logically it seems to me that the opposite is true.

The great thing about BVC, for instance, is that they were able to add a DVC resort with top of the line amenities (SAB, restaurants, health club, etc.) for just the price of a building and a quiet pool. And even if they'd had the room to make it bigger, they'd be foolish to do so because those common areas were designed to support the guests when YC/BC is at capacity -- add too many more rooms and people will stop paying top dollar for the hotel rooms because the crowds make the ameneties unusuable. (Also keep in mind that DVC rooms tend to have more people in them than regular hotel rooms.)

Disney would be shooting themselves in the foot if they added so many rooms to CR that it became impossible to catch the monorail or get in at the restaurants. Of course, if they're converting some of the current capacity that mitigates it a bit, but the point is the same -- it's probably more profitable to sell out four 300-room DVC add-ons at existing resorts than to sell out a 1200-room resort built from scratch.

All of this is guessing, not fact. Please take with a grain of salt.

 

[Beca]

Yes, but here is the MOST important question...does DVC offer "new" resorts to DVC members before they offer them to the general public? And, if so...do you think there would be ANY points left to offer to the public? Even at $125 dollars per point, we would buy as many as we could afford!!!! Esp. if these were good thru 2054!!



Beca