Inappropriate topic 420?

[Aisling]

I have never seen any one light it up, but I have smelled it before in the World Show Case area in EPCOT

I have also smelled it there, after Illuminations was over and we were leaving Epcot. Thank goodness it was only the one time, because the smell of pot makes me nauseus!

 

[GeologyRocks]

"Drugs are not a victimless crime ask the family of victims caught in the crossfire and killed in drug disputes or the people scared to leave there homes in there own neighborhoods because of the drug deals on the corners and the fear of getting shot."
-DisneyNewBee

Something that should be noted here: all of the consequences you described are consequences not of drug use, but of a war on drugs that only serves to make the cultivation, transport, and sale of drugs a riskier, more profitable business.

True victims of drug use would include overdoses, relatives of serious drug abusers (notice the terminology: abuse vs. use,) and innocents injured by people who exercise the same type of bad judgement as drunk drivers.

 

[bicker]

There is no logical reason why present geographical location is relevant to whether something is right or wrong.

Sure there is. Equally reasonable people can hold diametrically oppositional values and beliefs. What is "right" for some may be "wrong" for others. For example, it would be grieviously self-centered and ignorant of Americans to suggest that the way we live in our country is correct and the way Muslims live in their countries, for example, is wrong.

 

[dwaters]

If being in Walt Disney World is not stimulating or exciting enough for you, and you feel the need to do drugs while there, then maybe it's time for some serious personal inventory.

Not to mention the finances -- why pay $60 to gain entry to a place and then do somthing that you know will get you kicked out? What a waste!

I haven't been, but I see Universal has a Bob Marley restaurant--- I imagine if you're going to smell that scent around the Orlando parks it would be there.

 

[slug]

Sure there is. Equally reasonable people can hold diametrically oppositional values and beliefs. What is "right" for some may be "wrong" for others. For example, it would be grieviously self-centered and ignorant of Americans to suggest that the way we live in our country is correct and the way Muslims live in their countries, for example, is wrong.

No. There may be a disagreement in opinion WHETHER something is right or wrong. But the action in question IS either right or wrong.

Slavery IS wrong. Some may have a different opinion, which they are entitled to. But it is wrong.

The holocaust was wrong. Hitler would argue that it wasn't wrong. He would be wrong.

As far being self-centered and ignorant, it has nothing to do with being from America or being from a middle-eastern country. Right and Wrong existed before any society developed. Murder is equally wrong regardless of where you are standing at the time of committing the murder.

10,000 years ago, when you stole something from someone, it was wrong and 10,000 years from now it will still be wrong - regardless of any changes in the law.

 

[bicker]

Slavery IS wrong. ... The holocaust was wrong.

Are there any absolute truths? Maybe. These seem like good candidates. However, even if there are some absolute truths, that doesn't mean that everything is absolute. There are many things which are good here and bad somewhere else, and many things which are bad here and good somewhere else.

Right and wrong is solely a matter of perception and our conscious decision to label something right or wrong. Right and wrong changes from place to place, and from time to time, and even from person to person.

 

[disneynewbee]

"Drugs are not a victimless crime ask the family of victims caught in the crossfire and killed in drug disputes or the people scared to leave there homes in there own neighborhoods because of the drug deals on the corners and the fear of getting shot."
-DisneyNewBee

Something that should be noted here: all of the consequences you described are consequences not of drug use, but of a war on drugs that only serves to make the cultivation, transport, and sale of drugs a riskier, more profitable business.

True victims of drug use would include overdoses, relatives of serious drug abusers (notice the terminology: abuse vs. use,) and innocents injured by people who exercise the same type of bad judgement as drunk drivers.

How are people shot by drug dealers fighting over turfs or druggies who didn't pay up getting shot by there dealers a result of the war on drugs? And with most drugs there is no such thing as drug use and not abuse. There aren't many people who can do crack and coke in moderation.

 

[slug]

Right and wrong is solely a matter of perception and our conscious decision to label something right or wrong. Right and wrong changes from place to place, and from time to time, and even from person to person.[/QUOTE]



Give me an example.

And what you're really saying is that it may be difficult to determine whether something is right or wrong. Or that there may be different factors affecting decisions in different places. But all things being equal, it's either right or wrong universally.

 

[rie'smom]

If being in Walt Disney World is not stimulating or exciting enough for you, and you feel the need to do drugs while there, then maybe it's time for some serious personal inventory.

Not to mention the finances -- why pay $60 to gain entry to a place and then do somthing that you know will get you kicked out? What a waste!

I haven't been, but I see Universal has a Bob Marley restaurant--- I imagine if you're going to smell that scent around the Orlando parks it would be there.

You know I have never smelled potnor seen any other type of drug activity at Universal. When you consider that it's a park aimed at an older crowd,that's something.

 

[lillygator]

this is crazy....if someone smokes pot in WDW and you don't like it, turn them in. Not too hard to figure out....no need to debate.....

too bad I can't turn the smokers by the castle in, it sucks walking past there not being able to breathe! They don't allow liquor in MK....but wait, that's another thread...

 

[JVL1018]

Years ago(maybe 10) we saw/smelled(LOL) someone smoking pot late one night by the main pool at Carribean Beach. It was a group of us, all in our early twenties, and we were not prudish at all, but I thought it was VERY trashy, so we hung around until the couple felt uncomfortable and left.

Alos, maybe it's me..but sometimes ..rarely.. Marlboro Lights smell like weed to me. Sometimes I think I msell it and I turn around and it's Marlboros.

 

[live and let live]

Looks like it's time Disney got in some sniffer dogs or machines that can detect drugs.

 

[lillygator]

Looks like it's time Disney got in some sniffer dogs or machines that can detect drugs.

hmm, wonder what that will do to admission prices...?

 

[jade1]

Hey, maybe it will be legal now at "Mexico" in the WS-only enough for yourself of course.

 

[mking624]

Are there any absolute truths? Maybe. These seem like good candidates. However, even if there are some absolute truths, that doesn't mean that everything is absolute. There are many things which are good here and bad somewhere else, and many things which are bad here and good somewhere else.

Right and wrong is solely a matter of perception and our conscious decision to label something right or wrong. Right and wrong changes from place to place, and from time to time, and even from person to person.

Ahh the classic "what's true for you isn't true for me" punchline. It's not even a logical thought process when taken to its end. Ultimately there is a right and a wrong...and people inherently know that. Even if I view something right and you view something wrong, it doesn't mean there isn't an absolute truth...it means that ultimately in the end, someone will be wrong because two opposite things cannot both be right (negative and positive are not equal). If you're referring to "grey" areas that are solely for that individual alone, then you're referring to a personal conviction which is much different from something that is clearly right/wrong in as a whole. I bet there are things in life you feel passionately about when it comes to what's right and wrong and I know I do. If we both listed them out and compared them and they were on opposite ends of the spectrum, there's no logical sense of us both being right. That makes *no* sense. No matter what we believe, ultimately one of us IS wrong...because like I said, two opposite things cannot both be right.

Anyway, I'm not going to get into the discussion of whether or not smoking pot is right or wrong (to avoid further unnecessary debate), but my thoughts are that there are clear laws and policies to follow...and if one does not follow them then they need to accept the consequences of their choices.

 

[GeologyRocks]

How are people shot by drug dealers fighting over turfs or druggies who didn't pay up getting shot by there dealers a result of the war on drugs? And with most drugs there is no such thing as drug use and not abuse. There aren't many people who can do crack and coke in moderation.

If there weren't a 'war on drugs' the cost would not have to compensate drug dealers for the risks they undertake fighting the bad side of that war. That means we have TONS of cocaine/heroin/etc being brought in by truly despicable people, because where there is a vaccuum with a high risk, they are there waiting to make the profits. It's prohibition, people. Didn't we learn anything the last time around?

As for some drugs not having a use/abuse difference - this is true. But that being true doesn't excuse a blanket statement and blanket laws applying to drugs that are not any different or worse than our current legalized drugs.

For the record, I think it's downright disgusting to smoke something illegal in a place like Disney - but then, I was VERY glad to find the smoking 'sections' being pushed farther off the beaten path. I don't like walking along in the sun on a nice Florida morning, and walking through a cloud of someone's exhaled carcinogens. I'd be even less thrilled to bring my children/siblings to Disney and deal with those questions. I do tend to agree that it's likely a lot of vacationing teens, as well as local kids. I've smelled it from time to time, but I don't report it, I just tsk inside.

 

[anewvance]

Dh and I were leaving Pleasure Island one night and we were at the bus stop. There was a guy and 2 women who were LAYING on the ground next to our bus stop and they were enjoying a joint and laughing like idiots the whole time we were waiting there. What dummys.

 

[grinningghost]

I've never come across anyone smoking pot at WDW. I think it would be pretty crummy for someone to do that in a family resort - there's a time and a place for everything - and WDW isn't it.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Ahh the classic "what's true for you isn't true for me" punchline. It's not even a logical thought process when taken to its end. Ultimately there is a right and a wrong...and people inherently know that. [...]

Ahh the classic "I can't prove it but I know it is right/wrong" punchline. So, right and wrong are determined solely by inherent knowledge. Woo-hoo! I get the feeling I'm in a college dorm with a group of people who have partaken in this thread's controversial subject and are discussing philosophy

And slug, try this:

I, as an adult with free will and no external compulsions, decide to sell myself into slavery for $10 million. My owner is kind and compassionate and we both fulfill our respective obligations. Granted that selling someone else into slavery against their will is wrong; but why is what I did wrong? The following exercises will be left to the students:

1. How is this different from selling one's services, as in a typical job?
2. How is this different from a marriage?
3. Is anyone still taking this thread seriously?
4. Can God create a rock so heavy he can't lift it?

IMHO - YMMV - Be well!

 

[missy28]

Sorry to jump in at the end of the game, but I think that the issue Slug seems to be dealing with is one of morality vs. legality. The right/wrong issue doesn't always mesh well with the legality issue of whether something that IS illegal should or should not be illegal.

So, regardless of the morality side of the argument, whether you feel it is or is not wrong to smoke pot, it IS illegal to smoke pot in Florida, in Orlando, and even on the private property of Disney. As a former prosecutor I can assure you that it is very much illegal, and can carry some heavy consequences. It is up to the person making the choice on whether to smoke it or not if they want to face the consequences of their choice. So, I think there are 2 separate issues that are being batted around...