In Defense of Bob Chapek

[GAN]

Disney has always raised prices - thats true. Disney hasn't always cut perks at the same rate they have over the last ~2.5 years.

Cottonelle and Charmin may have cut the number of sheets on their roll and raise prices, but they didn't raise prices, give you less sheets, cut the sheets in half width wise, make the paper half as soft, add a new separate charge to ship it from their warehouse to the store and then charge you $15 per day if you want it to be softer.

Can you spare a square? Or do you not have a square to spare???

 

[TsWade2]

Never mind!

 

[jade1]

If they had more rides like Guardians with theming as well as thrill it would more of a draw.

Careful, that's an "IP" attraction.

Our new fave.

 

[GAN]

Here's I would say to Peter Rice:

What’s the issue with Rice? He was fired because Chapek saw him as a threat -he came from Fox with a boatload of experience and had support from Rupert Murdoch ..if his last name wasn’t Rice most people would have thought Murdoch would have left the whole business to him. It sounds like you don’t really know what you‘re talking about …maybe Geoff Morrell???

 

[TsWade2]

What’s the issue with Rice? He was fired because Chapek saw him as a threat -he came from Fox with a boatload of experience and had support from Rupert Murdoch ..if his last name wasn’t Rice most people would have thought Murdoch would have left the whole business to him. It sounds like you don’t really know what you‘re talking about …maybe Geoff Morrell???

Never mind! If I tell you, but you’ll disagree with me like everyone else. And I don’t want to get in trouble.

 

[Liquidice]

What’s the issue with Rice? He was fired because Chapek saw him as a threat -he came from Fox with a boatload of experience and had support from Rupert Murdoch ..if his last name wasn’t Rice most people would have thought Murdoch would have left the whole business to him. It sounds like you don’t really know what you‘re talking about …maybe Geoff Morrell???

Based on the videos from Renegade Online and Overlord DVD, Chapek is trying to push Disney be non-political and keeping future Disney movies family oriented and not trying to push an agenda like they have been in recent history.

TsWade2 has been suggesting throughout this entire thread that Rice was being political, he also says he knows the real reason Rice was fired but can't or won't share it. He's suggested, but it doesn't quite make sense considering Rice came from Fox that Rice was pushing a woke agenda.

I'll be honest, I agree with the idea of Disney's movies for kids just being focused on families and for entertainment and not trying to push some kind of political agenda, on either side of the fence.

 

[TsWade2]

i f you guys don’t believe me, then fine! Never mind what I said! Enjoy your miserable rantings!

 

[GAN]

Based on the videos from Renegade Online and Overlord DVD, Chapek is trying to push Disney be non-political and keeping future Disney movies family oriented and not trying to push an agenda like they have been in recent history.

TsWade2 has been suggesting throughout this entire thread that Rice was being political, he also says he knows the real reason Rice was fired but can't or won't share it. He's suggested, but it doesn't quite make sense considering Rice came from Fox that Rice was pushing a woke agenda.

I'll be honest, I agree with the idea of Disney's movies for kids just being focused on families and for entertainment and not trying to push some kind of political agenda, on either side of the fence.

There are a lot of different lifestyles and “versions” of “families” …while some of those aren’t really my cup of tea, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist just because they don’t interest ME! If they are trying to say that Disney should only cover things that you or I prefer ….I don’t see why any business would buckle to that type of pressure. That’s not political at all …unless your church or sense of morality tells you so. Anymore than I don’t like princess movies and they should stop making those as well …all subject matter will contain things that some people just won’t be interested in. If you(or I) aren’t interested -don’t watch. I’m not sure why that’s such a difficult thing to grasp hold of…..

 

[Pickles516]

Based on the videos from Renegade Online and Overlord DVD, Chapek is trying to push Disney be non-political and keeping future Disney movies family oriented and not trying to push an agenda like they have been in recent history.

TsWade2 has been suggesting throughout this entire thread that Rice was being political, he also says he knows the real reason Rice was fired but can't or won't share it. He's suggested, but it doesn't quite make sense considering Rice came from Fox that Rice was pushing a woke agenda.

I'll be honest, I agree with the idea of Disney's movies for kids just being focused on families and for entertainment and not trying to push some kind of political agenda, on either side of the fence.

I’d argue that Disney movies are focused on families, but that some people are getting upset because some of those families don’t resemble theirs.

 

[GAN]

Thank you. I was too nervous to say why. And I’m too scared to say the word woke because I might get in trouble if I did. Because I got in trouble from another discussion forum for being scared and obsessed going through my anxiety of what Disney is doing right now. And I’m doing my best to respect people. So, in my opinion on the reason why Peter Rice got fired is because he made Disney a political agenda and that’s terrible. I want Disney to be more family oriented again. Isn’t it too much to ask?

Again …with all due respect. Exactly WHAT agenda are you talking about. He never pushed a woke agenda that I’m aware of, in fact most of his decision-making abilities were limited because of the restructuring that took place. Big deal …he said he disagreed with the State‘s new policy, primarily because it affected many of Disneys core employees. That’s hardly pushing an agenda. We all should work for businesses that support their employees…. You know, the ones that dress up like the characters you love, or entertain you in the shows you love, or create shows like Happily Ever After that you loved.

 

[Jonfw2]

Again …with all due respect. Exactly WHAT agenda are you talking about. He never pushed a woke agenda that I’m aware of, in fact most of his decision-making abilities were limited because of the restructuring that took place. Big deal …he said he disagreed with the State‘s new policy, primarily because it affected many of Disneys core employees. That’s hardly pushing an agenda. We all should work for businesses that support their employees…. You know, the ones that dress up like the characters you love, or entertain you in the shows you love, or create shows like Happily Ever After that you loved.

It’s much tougher to see the politics in a company when you agree with the stance they’ve taken.

 

[TsWade2]

Again …with all due respect. Exactly WHAT agenda are you talking about. He never pushed a woke agenda that I’m aware of, in fact most of his decision-making abilities were limited because of the restructuring that took place. Big deal …he said he disagreed with the State‘s new policy, primarily because it affected many of Disneys core employees. That’s hardly pushing an agenda. We all should work for businesses that support their employees…. You know, the ones that dress up like the characters you love, or entertain you in the shows you love, or create shows like Happily Ever After that you loved.

Ugh! Again, never mind! I can’t say it!

 

[Pickles516]

Again …with all due respect. Exactly WHAT agenda are you talking about. He never pushed a woke agenda that I’m aware of, in fact most of his decision-making abilities were limited because of the restructuring that took place. Big deal …he said he disagreed with the State‘s new policy, primarily because it affected many of Disneys core employees. That’s hardly pushing an agenda. We all should work for businesses that support their employees…. You know, the ones that dress up like the characters you love, or entertain you in the shows you love, or create shows like Happily Ever After that you loved.

It seems odd to me that one of the talking points for this “anti-woke” argument is that children’s entertainment shouldn’t promote sexuality or sexualization. Ok, I can understand that. But then when you examine the fact that most old school Disney plots involve the sexualization of teen girls who have all of their dreams come true via intimate contact with a man, people are like “no, no, those are fine!”.

Snow White was kissed on the mouth by a stranger while unconscious. Ariel had to literally hope that a guy would kiss her(without the ability to give consent for some reason?) or else she would lose her voice and a part of her soul or something? Alladin was stalking Jasmin and deceiving Jasmin by literally using magic in order to get with her. These are all ok by many peoples’ standards. However, a girl gets her period and a female futuristic space cop kisses another female futuristic space cop(I didn’t see the movie, so sorry if this isn’t completely accurate) and people act as if Disney has gone off the rails.

I, personally, would rather have my daughter think it’s ok to get her period than have her think it’s ok for strange dudes to kiss her in her sleep, but I guess my family values are in the toilet.

 

[GAN]

It’s much tougher to see the politics in a company when you agree with the stance they’ve taken.

Its two different things. I invest in a lot of Companies that do things I don’t agree with …because they make me money. I go to Disney because I enjoy the Parks or movies or hotels ..not because they are for or against some moral issue. If they had responded to the opposite stance, I wouldn‘t cancel a vacation or bash an executive. It has nothing to do with what I enjoy. I mean, if they said they were going to start trafficking humans and put them to work in Journey to Imagination …THEN, I’d probably have to put my foot down! Peace…

 

[GAN]

Ugh! Again, never mind! I can’t say it!

Hey I already did! No worries….

 

[Pickles516]

It’s much tougher to see the politics in a company when you agree with the stance they’ve taken.

It’s also really tough when people won’t be specific about what they mean. Like, if you do not think it’s ok for kids to know gay people exist or to see Muslim superheroes or whatever, just go ahead and say that.

 

[Jonfw2]

It’s also really tough when people won’t be specific about what they mean. Like, if you do not think it’s ok for kids to know gay people exist or to see Muslim superheroes or whatever, just go ahead and say that.

It's also really tough when people straw man their arguments. Like saying a law that forbids teaching small children explicit sexual information is "you do not think it's ok for kids to know gay people exist".

 

[starlite_]

i f you guys don’t believe me, then fine! Never mind what I said! Enjoy your miserable rantings!

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[Liquidice]

There are a lot of different lifestyles and “versions” of “families” …while some of those aren’t really my cup of tea, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist just because they don’t interest ME! If they are trying to say that Disney should only cover things that you or I prefer ….I don’t see why any business would buckle to that type of pressure. That’s not political at all …unless your church or sense of morality tells you so. Anymore than I don’t like princess movies and they should stop making those as well …all subject matter will contain things that some people just won’t be interested in. If you(or I) aren’t interested -don’t watch. I’m not sure why that’s such a difficult thing to grasp hold of…..

What the videos from Renegade online say is that movies and Disney+ shows that have focused too much on having an agenda have done poorly and this is a business decision to appeal to the majority of Disney moviegoers and Disney+ subscribers.

The claim is that after Pixar came out and said that Disney was censoring their movies ( https://variety.com/2022/film/news/...tion-censorship-dont-say-gay-bill-1235200582/ ) that Chapek allowed them to make Lightyear without being censored. Lightyear has not done well in the box office - and channels like Renegade are saying that is because of the lack of censorship or how the movie has been political or inclusive or whatever you want to call it. They have examples of other movies and shows that did not do well that were similar.

So it seems like not enough people watched Lightyear as you suggested - and as a business decision, Chapek has a goal of Disney not being political (again this is the word Renegade Online has been using) and trying to focus on making "family" movies - family being what movies make them the most money.

Now the definition of family movies, again per Renegade Online is one where parents can have their children watch it without having to worry about any of the content, nothing controversial in it (which I know can mean a lot of things - but lets say anything that a significant number of Disney+ subscribers would find controversial or moviegoers).

In the same way that Disney+ filters out older movies from children and puts warnings before certain movies because they can be culturally insensitive in today's world, Renegade Online is saying most parents want Disney+ to not have any controversial movies available to children (again controversial to a significant number of Disney+ subscribers or moviegoers).

You can say that parents should control what their kids watch, but as a parent - do I need to watch every movie by myself first before I allow my kids to watch it? At that point, I'm cancelling Disney+ because I don't have time to do that. If enough parents feel the same way - from a business perspective, that doesn't make sense for Disney.

That is at least what the videos are claiming. There was also recently an article that I unfortunately can't find right now that said Chapek may be creating a set of rules to help control this and keep Disney films away from being political. "Moderation" I believe was the term - can't find it right now. Maybe someone else has the link to it?

Ms. Marvel btw is actually touted by the videos above as being a "wholesome family show".

I don't really know personally if this is what is going on - but this is what the videos have said.

BTW- Despite all of this, I still think Chapek sucks as a CEO. I do hope though that in the next 3 year he'll change my mind or prove me wrong - but what I've seen so far from him, specifically on the changes made to the parks - I don't like.

 

[Smugpugmug]

It's also really tough when people straw man their arguments. Like saying a law that forbids teaching small children explicit sexual information is "you do not think it's ok for kids to know gay people exist".

I think Pickles was referring to the one poster that was claiming that Disney is not "family friendly anymore". I scratched my head at that statement too because Disney is still producing movies for all ages to enjoy.