Impeach Bush

[RyMickey]

Just thought I'd let it be known on this thread that they are dropping supplies (Dan Murphy posted pictures on another thread). However, as they are dropping supplies, they are still being shot upon. Crazy.....

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Yep, she has voted a couple of times hasn't she..........

I'm outta here...but just for the record...this wasn't a poll...it was a discussion, or was supposed to be. Like so many in leadership today, when you have no answers, you turn to personal attacks...I'll engage in civilized dialog any day...but this topic is too important for this childishness.

~Rose~

 

[bsnyder]

I've got to get some sleep too.

 

[poohandwendy]

Me too, night all.

 

[Gymbomom]

I'm outta here...but just for the record...this wasn't a poll...it was a discussion, or was supposed to be. Like so many in leadership today, when you have no answers, you turn to personal attacks...I'll engage in civilized dialog any day...but this topic is too important for this childishness.

~Rose~

Sorry for you taking offense at me trying to lighten up the posts a little.

I was not personally attacking you, just think there is a better time to be bashing our president than right now.

Sorry you took it that way.

 

[Independent]

Going over the facts again, I was wrong on one point. The President did already declare a state of disaster a full day ahead of time. Ahead of local government request. It was also noted how rarely this is done.
Anyway, in Bush's speech, this was how supplies started getting into NO on day one rather than starting on day three which is normally what happens. Was it enough? No. Because no one could have foreseen the absolute destruction that was coming. Damage, yes. Out and out destruction? No. Thank God at least some supplies were getting there on day one or things would be much much worse.

Unfortunately, the scope of destruction of a catastrophic hurricane was well known and well documented. Somebody posted a link earlier today to an article in Scientific America written in 2001 that eerily forecasts EXACTLY what happened to NO. Right down to the city being 80% under water. If you read the article and did not know when it was written, you would think you were reading a recap of what just happened.

Many other organizations, such as the civil corps of engineers have documented what would happen if the levees gave way.

So, the gov't cannot hide behind the excuse that "nobody could have known it would be this bad." It simply is not true. It was well documented that it would be this bad.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Sorry for you taking offense at me trying to lighten up the posts a little.

I was not personally attacking you, just think there is a better time to be bashing our president than right now.

Sorry you took it that way.

Apology accepted! But why would people who feel strongly supportive of Pres Bush even enter a thread titled 'IMPEACH BUSH'?

I care about my country and will continue to voice my opinion about my elected representatives, especially this President whom I believe is bad for America. It is my right..But I don't think I'll do it on DIS boards too much...it taints the 'MAGIC' for me to be reminded of how divided this country really is and to hear the lack of compassion coming through....Maybe once those poor people have water and food I'll get my sense of humor back...
~Rose~

 

[Gymbomom]

Unfortunately, the scope of destruction of a catastrophic hurricane was well known and well documented. Somebody posted a link earlier today to an article in Scientific America written in 2001 that eerily forecasts EXACTLY what happened to NO. Right down to the city being 80% under water. If you read the article and did not know when it was written, you would think you were reading a recap of what just happened.

Many other organizations, such as the civil corps of engineers have documented what would happen if the levees gave way.

So, the gov't cannot hide behind the excuse that "nobody could have known it would be this bad." It simply is not true. It was well documented that it would be this bad.

Okay maybe federal gov't might not pay much attention to reports for every city like this. BUT, for goodness sakes??? WHY would the city and state government not pay attention and use the info to set up a plan of action (better than the one they used)????

 

[Gymbomom]

Apology accepted! But why would people who feel strongly supportive of Pres Bush even enter a thread titled 'IMPEACH BUSH'?

I care about my country and will continue to voice my opinion about my elected representatives, especially this President whom I believe is bad for America. It is my right..But I don't think I'll do it on DIS boards too much...it taints the 'MAGIC' for me to be reminded of how divided this country really is and to hear the lack of compassion coming through....Maybe once those poor people have water and food I'll get my sense of humor back...
~Rose~

Just one more thought before my head crashes to the keyboard since I am so tired........


I didn't say I was supportive or not supportive about Bush in this thread. That is my whole point...it isn't about President Bush right now....it is about the people of New Orleans and the government and everyone that can help them right now.

 

[catherine]

( puts on flame resistant suit )

HELLO? look at the congressmen that are sitting on their fat lazy butts and deciding to vote on diasaster relief tommarrow when its convienient for them,

You mean to say that they've not even voted on disaster relief yet!!!

 

[Nancy]

they just voted tonight (Thursday evening) 10 billion I believe

 

[Virgo10]

Sorry but when you're at the top of the food chain you get the love and the props. When things fail, you bear the responsibility if you are a moral human being.

Things have failed and Mr. Bush is the top of the food chain. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I vote for the best person. Right now we have a man in that top office who does not seem to grasp the situation and he has surrounded himself with others (Chertoff and Brown) who are equally as inept.

Remember New Orleans when the elections come around. Remember the hungry, the homeless and the dead. Demand accountability. Then VOTE!

 

[KathyTX]

Unfortunately, the scope of destruction of a catastrophic hurricane was well known and well documented. Somebody posted a link earlier today to an article in Scientific America written in 2001 that eerily forecasts EXACTLY what happened to NO. Right down to the city being 80% under water. If you read the article and did not know when it was written, you would think you were reading a recap of what just happened.

Many other organizations, such as the civil corps of engineers have documented what would happen if the levees gave way.

So, the gov't cannot hide behind the excuse that "nobody could have known it would be this bad." It simply is not true. It was well documented that it would be this bad.

And there are probably similar articles describing catastrophic earthquake damage in California when "the big one" hits.

So, based on these articles, are you actually suggesting that the federal government should declare California (and NO in the past) uninhabitable, based on the PROBABILITY of a future disaster?

How about Florida- surely someone somewhere has written something about a catastrophic storm taking parts of Florida out, too.

All the Monday morning quarterbacking in the world doesn't change the fact that we have a national disaster of unprecedented proportions on our hands. Those who use these circumstances to spew political hate messages seem awfully selfish and small-minded.

 

[OceanAnnie]

All the Monday morning quarterbacking in the world doesn't change the fact that we have a national disaster of unprecedented proportions on our hands. Those who use these circumstances to spew political hate messages seem awfully selfish and small-minded.

ITA!!

 

[LoraJ]

As soon as they can, FEMA, Homeland Security and whomever else from the fed Government need to get together and come up with strategic plans and scenerios if something like this were to happen in Miami or other major cities along the coast. And they need to share those planes with the governors of the states. This should never happen again.

 

[wuv tigger]

A leader DOESN'T say the things that the Mayor of NO has said thus far! Even IF you don't know stuff, you have got to be in control.

What did the Mayor do to prepare for this? Did he get buses to get the people out?

It was and is a crying shame! I want us all as Americans to learn from this situation.

Do you have 3 days worth of provisions for your family? Do you have water enough for your family for 3 days, do you have canned non perishible foods, batteries to last? That is the minimum that the American Red Cross says we should all have in our homes.

I am so sorry this has happened. This isn't the time to blame. NOW is the time to pull up the boot straps, get in there & get these families out.

WE CAN DO IT! We've faced tragedies before & we will again. Let's get together and get it done!

off my soap box now.

In all honesty, this is ridiculous. It accomplishes nothing, but if you really want to get into it...look to the local and state goverment.

The local and state government needs to be removed or replaced ....and now. The Governor of LA is positively lost. She is not the person for this job. The mayor, he is just a nightmare.

The local government should have been prepared to respond immediately. And they weren't. The Governor has the ability to call up the National Guard. She could have had thousands of troops in place....she didn't.

You all want to blame the president for everything. The Federal goverment is saving thousands of people. The state of Louisiana and the Mayor of NO are saving....none. The mayor is actually making things worse, much worse. He's making it very clear that he's not in control of anything.

While I understand that some of the footage today is incredibly upsetting, we have to keep this thing in perspective. This is a catastrophe that is unprecedented in our nation. We have two disasters that have happened simultaneously. A horrific blow to the gulf coast, and a city that is literally underwater. This is off the scale....occurring over hundreds of square miles.

On top of all of that you have a small number of thugs who have taken to the streets to loot (not food...serious looting) and have taken to shooting police officers and rescue helicopters. News organizations have hired armed protection for their reporters. That's how scary the situation is. The local government knew the situation was getting out of control and they did *nothing*.
Local authorites told the overflow people to go to that convention center...there wasn't one NO police officer there. Not one. How can that be? The Mayor is sending out SOS distress calls when he should be sending in his resignation. "Dear People of New Orleans, I'm not the guy for this job."

I believe that the Feds didn't even know about the situation over at the convention center until that footage was aired today. And tonight, the situation is already improving. Army helicopters have been in dropping off food and water....probably fearing for their own lives in the process.

I just think that knocking the president and the federal government is being short-sighted and reactionary instead of really and truly looking at the situation with a clear (and bipartisan) head....[/QUOTE]

 

[Tiziminchac]

they just voted tonight (Thursday evening) 10 billion I believe

The senate voted for the aid last night (Thursday), the congress will not vote on it until 1 p.m. today (Friday)! At least that's what I heard on the news last night. I think they need to get to it a little sooner than that. But they were all on vacation too and I only can assume it takes some time for all of them to get back to D.C.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

As soon as they can, FEMA, Homeland Security and whomever else from the fed Government need to get together and come up with strategic plans and scenerios if something like this were to happen in Miami or other major cities along the coast. And they need to share those planes with the governors of the states. This should never happen again.

Aloha!

That is EXACTLY the function of our newest presidential cabinet office: THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. We (YOU AND I) have spent over $22 BILLION to fund this office created after 9-11-01. This dept and its Secretary (michael Chertoff now; formerly Tom Ridge) report DIRECTLYto the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! They have supposedly been preparing for 4 YEARS to handle EXACTLY these kinds of ubexpected, catastrophic situations (ie...imagine a container had been off-loaded from a ship at the Port of New Orleans and exploded a large dirty bomb (NUKE!) Same range of damage...same flooding...same (even worse) evacuation issues to deal with).

At the very least, this President owes an explanation to those victims and this nation as to why he is firing Chertoff and dissolving this mythical $22 BILLION debacle. How the people of the affected cities and states handle THOSE officials will be up to them!

~Rose~

 

[BostonTigger]

Oh for God sake! Bush didn't notice 80% of a major city under water?

Take a few less vacations, you moron!!!!!!!!

Ok, that was totally uncalled for. Monday morning the Mayor of NO was still trying to decide if he should order a mandatory evacuation....knowing that his city is below sea level. And when the order was given, why didn't the Gov. have the National Guard down there helping with the evacuation? I didn't see any, I could have missed it, but I didn't see any.

 

[Chattyaholic]

I'm thorougly disgusted with anyone who makes excuses for him.

Oh, puh-leeze

I'm just as thoroughly disgusted with anyone who keeps bashing President Bush. Like YOU could do a better job? Yeah, right.