I'm sure you have heard this 1000 times...

Ah ha! This is all starting to click now. So is there a way for non-dvc members to see what availability is before they buy? I am asking because I have a problem with crowds, I get high anxiety. This last year we went from Dec 12th until the 22nd. Well the first week was pretty good, I was okay. The next week was CRAZY (as you would know.) So we would really like to book during the times no one else wants to go. But it seems that is also the time of low points... and from what I am reading you are saying these are the times that book the fastest so people get the most bang for their buck?

Thanks again for all the help, you guys are great.

Kyle
 
Ah ha! This is all starting to click now. So is there a way for non-dvc members to see what availability is before they buy? I am asking because I have a problem with crowds, I get high anxiety. This last year we went from Dec 12th until the 22nd. Well the first week was pretty good, I was okay. The next week was CRAZY (as you would know.) So we would really like to book during the times no one else wants to go. But it seems that is also the time of low points... and from what I am reading you are saying these are the times that book the fastest so people get the most bang for their buck?

Thanks again for all the help, you guys are great.

Kyle
The times of low points when schools are in session will be the best overall. Still, you'll be able to get something at 11 months if you own at WDW and SSR/OKW at 7 months for most anytime other than a 3 BR.
 
There currently is no way for a non-Member to check availability for point reservations. In fact, the only way a DVC member can check is by calling Member Services. There is supposed to be an online reservation system coming soon (by the end of the year) but we've heard that for the last several years. I'm sure they'll get it running eventually, but don't count on a definitive timetable for online reservations.

That said, early December is a popular time for DVCers. THe DVC resorts book up quickly, but the parks themselves are not terribly crowded. THe drawback can be the weather. It can be beautiful and warm, or bone chilling.
 
Awesome, I think we will pick a cheaper one, the hotel itself isn't at the top of the list and wouldn't ruin our vacation if it wasn't the best one a few years. I am sure they are all up to Disney quality. On a side note after looking at resales, who are these people trying to sell their DVC after they already used up all of their points until late 2012? Do they really think someone is going to put down $15,000+ to not even be able to get their points for a year and a half?

Also I forgot to add my list of priorities:
1 crowds
2 busses (time on and number of stops)
3 price
4 hotel
5 pool ;)
 

Just an update, I called Disney to get some of their prices, about 100/point for saratoga springs (where I think I want since I don't mind trading or staying there) and they mentioned they changed the way resales work now (I think she said since March) that they don't allow people who did not buy with Disney to trade for cruises and other things. I should have asked more but didn't. Does anyone know about this?
 
Just an update, I called Disney to get some of their prices, about 100/point for saratoga springs (where I think I want since I don't mind trading or staying there) and they mentioned they changed the way resales work now (I think she said since March) that they don't allow people who did not buy with Disney to trade for cruises and other things. I should have asked more but didn't. Does anyone know about this?

Yes, resale points can no longer be used to trade out for the Disney Collection, Adventures by Disney and something else (slips my mind).

In most cases, using points for those options does not provide great value. However, if you were hoping to have that flexibility, then you will be stuck buying through Disney.

You should know, though, that those options are considered perks, and not really part of the contract you buy so Disney could, at any time, remove them as an option from all members. Do I think that is likely? No, but technically possible.
 
The other is Disney Cruises and like Sandisw says to use your points for those options is not a good use of points. You are better off renting your points and paying cash for other options. You can still use the points to trade out through RCI so you are not just stuck using them for DVC resorts.

We bought our points to only use at DVC resorts. We started going to WDW every year when I was expecting my youngest who is now 16! Over the years we stayed primarily at Ft. Wilderness cabins for the full kitchen and separate bedroom for the kids. We found that all 3 of my DD's (well actually the whole family) prefer to eat in more then packing up to eat out. Breakfast everyday in the room that way it made rope drop a lot easier to make it to. When we did make rope drop we were usually done with the parks by 1:00 and go back for lunch and swimming/naps when kids were younger. Then back to the park after dinner for fireworks or whatever. Even when given the option my DD's opted to eat in most of the time. Laundry in room makes our 10 night stay so much easier! SSR is a beautiful resort and I will be staying at the Tree House Villa's (3 bedroom) in Feb for the 1st time, we cannot wait. Good luck in your decision.
 
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I will say this, many that have never stayed in a DVC resort will say that it does not matter where they stay so they buy the least expensive resort.

After staying there and then staying at other DVC locations they do find it matters alot and then they are not happy with their purchase.

You are going to have this purchase for a very, very long time. Make sure you can be happy with your home resort for a long time, as that is all you are promised will never change.

If crowds and buses bother you, I would not recommend SSR. I love the resort but then crowds and buses do not bother me. Your transportation options to the parks is always going to be buses and considering many park at Downtown Disney and ride the bus even though they are not staying at SSR, it does get crowded especially at park closing time.

SSR has 5 bus stops.
 
Wow, the way Disney made it out as long as you book ~4-6 months out you will have no problem getting into any resort. Do you find this to be true or are they really booked up even 7 months out?
 
Wow, the way Disney made it out as long as you book ~4-6 months out you will have no problem getting into any resort. Do you find this to be true or are they really booked up even 7 months out?

:sad2:

If you count on changing at 4-6 months out you will most likely be very disappointed. Not all the time since it will depend on when you are trying to switch, the size room and the length of stay but do not buy counting on changing that short of time out.
 
You can get a room less than 7 month out. It all depends on the time of year. In Dec 2010, I called to book anywhere for the first weekend of March 2011, (3 months out). I had OKW, SSR, and AKL to pick from.

Sept is also a lowest points time of year. We have booked this time last minute, and got it every time.

We have booked the first week in Dec, but had to book early to get anything available.

I booked 10 days in a studio for Christmas at VWL at the 11 month window this year, did not want to take a chance.

So you see every week of the year has different requirements.

Lizzie
 
I think availability varies so much you really can't tell. We spent the week between Christmas and New Year's Day at SSR (our home property). We wanted a two bedroom and booked near the 11 month window (we knew we were going and didn't want to get shut out). Going to HHI this summer (our use year is June, so we have new points). Wanted a two bedroom and knew from experience it sells out quickly. Got in for 5 nights in mid-August at the 7 month window - but called THAT a.m. as soon as I could. Also, schools down south start earlier than in NJ. It really depends on when everyone else is going. SSR wasn't bad for buses (except New Year's Eve). Not the closest to the parks but very close to downtown Disney.

If you can swing the initial investment, I'd say go for it. We've used points twice for cruises (3 and 4 nights). Between not using your points or going on a cruise, we go for a cruise. You're also not buying park tickets either on a cruise, so you are spending less out of pocket. My last advice- go during school when your kids are little, the crowds are less. When looking at points, remember that EAster week changes yearly so a week in March may require more points one year than the next. We've never done summer months but may have to once DD gets older.
 
Thanks for all the great info everyone. Our family has never really been picky about the rooms we are in. We have stayed at riverside and loved it and motel 6s on the road down and still had fun. Honestly for the first few years of visits we will pick a new place every time.

Still trying to decide on buying with Disney or buying with a resale. We really want cruises include and Disney said that is only with them. We decided for a first run we are only going to buy 100 points, most likely at SSR. Disney will give us this years points and last years so we would start with 200 and can roll those over as we go so we think it will work out. Then we could buy 25 at a time later if we find we need a few extra. Also, 100 points only comes to about $10,000 buy in and ~$450 a year and we could spend about 10 days at the time we want (off peak) and I see that is normally $2,500. Break even in 5 years and then cake for the next 40.

I just hope the extend, the only thing I don't like is I dont have it forever ;-)

Thanks again for all the great info.

Kyle
 
Thanks for all the great info everyone. Our family has never really been picky about the rooms we are in. We have stayed at riverside and loved it and motel 6s on the road down and still had fun. Honestly for the first few years of visits we will pick a new place every time.

Still trying to decide on buying with Disney or buying with a resale. We really want cruises include and Disney said that is only with them. We decided for a first run we are only going to buy 100 points, most likely at SSR. Disney will give us this years points and last years so we would start with 200 and can roll those over as we go so we think it will work out. Then we could buy 25 at a time later if we find we need a few extra. Also, 100 points only comes to about $10,000 buy in and ~$450 a year and we could spend about 10 days at the time we want (off peak) and I see that is normally $2,500. Break even in 5 years and then cake for the next 40.

I just hope the extend, the only thing I don't like is I dont have it forever ;-)

Thanks again for all the great info.

Kyle
Look at the cruise points charts and I think you'll realize it's not a cost effective method of cruising. It's also something that can change or go away tomorrow. You'll be far better off buying less points and using cash for non DVC options.
 
The good parts about not having it forever is:

1) What if, after you're gone, the kids don't want it or can't afford it

2) At some point in the future, all building need to be demolished and replaced. Your heirs could be stuck paying for that with a costly special assessment.

3) Who know how much operating costs/dues will be in 100 years, or if there will even be a Disney World. yet your heirs may be obligated to continue paying into perpetuity, as it would be a forever deeded interest.
 
Just an update, I called Disney to get some of their prices, about 100/point for saratoga springs (where I think I want since I don't mind trading or staying there) and they mentioned they changed the way resales work now (I think she said since March) that they don't allow people who did not buy with Disney to trade for cruises and other things. I should have asked more but didn't. Does anyone know about this?

Yes, resale points can no longer be used to trade out for the Disney Collection, Adventures by Disney and something else (slips my mind).

In most cases, using points for those options does not provide great value. However, if you were hoping to have that flexibility, then you will be stuck buying through Disney.

You should know, though, that those options are considered perks, and not really part of the contract you buy so Disney could, at any time, remove them as an option from all members. Do I think that is likely? No, but technically possible.

These are perks and they could change at any time. Disney could also add things in, that are not available to the "restricted" resale points later as well. We just don't know what the future will bring.

As for the best value of points, that is subjective to each owner. I have never rented my points and don't plan on it (not saying it won't happen, but not in the plans). I also have not traded out and we use our points exclusively at DVC Resorts...but one day it might just happen that we use them somewhere else and if we have the points not sweat it. Its like clipping coupons or shopping at 3 different grocery stores, some people want to do that to save some money and some don't want the inconvenience.

If crowds and buses bother you, I would not recommend SSR. I love the resort but then crowds and buses do not bother me. Your transportation options to the parks is always going to be buses and considering many park at Downtown Disney and ride the bus even though they are not staying at SSR, it does get crowded especially at park closing time.

SSR has 5 bus stops.

Yes, SSR has 5 bus stops, but honestly I don't think their busses are any more crowded than other resort busses, generally speaking. At park closing times, ever bus is usually packed, just the nature of the beast. As for people that park at DTD to ride the busses, we know it happens, but no one has been able to say that it has had any impact on the resort busses for sure. While I have seen people use SSR busses to get back and forth from DTD (done it myself when I needed to go to the DVC sales office for things, wanted to go to DTD from a park, etc), it doesn't mean that they were parked there all day. These things are also permitted by Disney in their open transportatin policies. Other resorts have similar issues as well, especially Epcot resorts for the boardwalk area, etc etc.....its just the nature of the beast.

An advantage to SSR is that it is more open feeling than some of the hotel resorts where you have to go through the lobby to get to your rooms. Each room has an outside entrance (condo style) with parking area's adjacent to the buildings, etc. There are downsides of course, if you want to go to the marketplace and its raining, you are stuck taking an umbrella or waiting out the storm, etc.

Thanks for all the great info everyone. Our family has never really been picky about the rooms we are in. We have stayed at riverside and loved it and motel 6s on the road down and still had fun. Honestly for the first few years of visits we will pick a new place every time.

Still trying to decide on buying with Disney or buying with a resale. We really want cruises include and Disney said that is only with them. We decided for a first run we are only going to buy 100 points, most likely at SSR. Disney will give us this years points and last years so we would start with 200 and can roll those over as we go so we think it will work out. Then we could buy 25 at a time later if we find we need a few extra. Also, 100 points only comes to about $10,000 buy in and ~$450 a year and we could spend about 10 days at the time we want (off peak) and I see that is normally $2,500. Break even in 5 years and then cake for the next 40.

I just hope the extend, the only thing I don't like is I dont have it forever ;-)

Thanks again for all the great info.

Kyle

Best of luck to you and form your own opinions on resorts. SSR takes a bashing (especially by some of the members who have been around for a long time), but is a great resort. Our family is perfectly happy staying there anytime and like you we do want to try the other resorts as well. We have hit most of them and they all have their own pros and cons...there is no perfect resort that I have found yet. I love the proximity to DTD, the quietness of the condo style rooms (not hearing yelling up and down hallways, etc) and with the golf course, it is just peaceful setting.
 
I will say this, many that have never stayed in a DVC resort will say that it does not matter where they stay so they buy the least expensive resort.

After staying there and then staying at other DVC locations they do find it matters alot and then they are not happy with their purchase.

You are going to have this purchase for a very, very long time. Make sure you can be happy with your home resort for a long time, as that is all you are promised will never change.

...

I wasn't planning on chiming in because there are already great responses but I have to agree with Sammie on this one.

Make sure you LOVE your resort. That is the only guaranteed thing in your contract. They could change their rule the day after you purchase saying that you can only stay at your Home Resort for the life of the contract. No exchanges, internal or external. And if you end up not liking it, your only options would be to grin and bear it for the life of the contract or sell your contract.

So please pick your HR really carefully.

And you mentioned that you're a young family. Buying DVC is like trying to see your future. For now you think a studio here and there makes no difference. But when your kids get older (as another PP said), you might realize that you need that extra space, extra bathroom (only on newer DVC resorts) and washer/dryer... :lmao:
Or that waking up to savannah view is the only way to vacation, or chilling on the boardwalk everynight is your idea of heaven, or that the pool at BCV is the only place to go.

If I were you I would wait until you see the different resorts DVC has to offer. Go check out all the resorts that you might be interested in before you purchase. Resale points will always be available. And as Chuck have mentioned, exchanges to cruise etc. is not the best cost wise. Maybe after you see all the resorts you realize that getting more points thru resale is worth not having the exchange option.

Good luck deciding!
 
Too many choices ;). I guess it is a good thing. Has the horse trading or resorts for points changed or is it new? I am trying to get a feel if these perks will ever go away.
 
The perks of trading to non-DVC Disney resorts, Adv. by Disney, cruises, etc. can disappear. The contracts between those entities and DVC are renegotiated often (every two years or so.) And points do usually increase for those options. Also, if a DVC component is added to an existing resort, you can not use points for stays at the cash side of the resort after the DVC component opens. These options are no longer available to any resales purchased after March 20, 2011.

As for the RCI locations, that contract also is renegotiated, but not as often. RCI was the original timeshare exchange company, then DVC switched to Interval International for many years, and back to RCI about 2 years ago.

The DVC resorts have a inter-use contract as part of the The Club. Though we could be legally restricted only to our home resort, I would not expect that to happen, except perhaps in the last year or so of our contracts, or if a resort has to go out of service for some reason, because of storm damage or other unforeseen emergency.
 
Thanks Chuck,

I think I understand what you are saying... so currently could I use my points to stay at a moderate or some cheaper WDW hotel? Maybe even a value?

Thanks
Kyle
 












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