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xoprincessmomxo- Please read the thread I wrote after we returned from Disney w/my 2 year old Grandson, I wrote it exactly for this reason. There are so many people who can't understand why someone would bring small children on such a vacation, please read my thread and you will understand. There is nothing like it, you will not be sorry you went. Please read.

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THANK YOU, thank you, thank you for directing me to this!!!! And I thought I was excited before...I am so glad that you had such a wonderful time and I am going to read your post to my husband as well. I know he is a little apprehensive about our youngest being so little when we take her. It just goes to show that the magic of Disney really is for all ages!!! :thumbsup2
 
THANK YOU, thank you, thank you for directing me to this!!!! And I thought I was excited before...I am so glad that you had such a wonderful time and I am going to read your post to my husband as well. I know he is a little apprehensive about our youngest being so little when we take her. It just goes to show that the magic of Disney really is for all ages!!! :thumbsup2

You guys are going to have a great time! We took DS at 7mos,11 mos, 17 mos and 2. For a full week each and had a blast. The key is to take it slow and rest. Carry snacks so that they can not get hungry and keep in mind the heat. We also bring things to entertain like small cans of play doh at meals. You are going to have so much fun, trust me!
 
I won't lynch you, but I will correct your assumptions ;)

The majority of our vacation we were inundated with crying babies and over-stimulated toddlers throwing tantrums and crying. Parents were sniping at each other, just terribly nasty! My husband and I both agreed that waiting til the kids were older was the right choice.

Sorry you were inundated...that's never happened to me. Sure, I've seen the various kid in meltdown mode or the family that is clearly pushing their kids to far, but they are usually the exception, not the rule. Sounds like you got very unlucky to have so many around you. I know it can be annoying to listen to and, if you choose to wait to bring your kids, that is entirely your decision and I respect that wholeheartedly.


What is the attraction to taking your kids there when they are so small? I'm not trying to sound nasty, but it seemed to me that the majority just were not enjoying it at ALL. The parents looked exhausted and as I said before, taking it out on each other.

The attraction for those of us who "do it right" with small kids is that we get to see their reactions to everything, while enjoying a relaxing family vacation. At WDW our approach is to do a bit of park time each day, hitting a few attractions that would be of interest to DS, then we relax at the hotel and take advantage of the mindboggling amount of low key, non-park related activities that are offered at WDW. I think trying to be a park commando with a small child is a huge mistake, so please don't lump me in with the idiots who do this, just because I have a small child in tow, OK?

Is it worth the money for a few photo ops? The kids won't remember it. And the most expensive souvenier is going to be the marriage counselling you'll need afterwards. I feel so badly for so many parents. Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? :confused3

Yes, for us it's well worth the expense! We love the photos and the memories of our vacation! I don't care if DS doesn't remember it...that isn't really my barometer for "vacation value". He enjoys it while we are there and WE remember it and treasure those memories.

If anything, having this sort of relaxing get away saves our marriage, not threatens it. We'd probably need marriage counseling if we didn't go :lmao: . So, don't feel badly for us, we all have a fantastic time when we're there!

The moral of my story is, as it has been in numerous posts of this ilk, "don't stereotype all parents & kids". What you might be viewing is a temporary fit or it might in fact be overzealous parents pushing their kids too hard...sometimes you never know. BUT, to generalize that everyone who has that sort of vacation when traveling with a little one is just plain false! Seriously...you really don't seem like someone ignorant enough to believe that, right?
 
She'll be turning 4 while we're there and I consider this a golden time for her to go to Disney! She's old enough to enjoy herself and young enough to believe in the magic.

Our boys were 3 & 4 when we went on our first trip. It was awesome! They were wide-eyed over everything and it was magical! They both still remember tons from that trip. I only wish I'd have videotaped more of their excitement.
 

Well OP, you described our last trip to a tee.:lmao: But for 5 minutes of crying and augment we had 23 hours and 55 minutes of happy family memories each day. Well worth it. :thumbsup2

Also, as far as remembering it, my 4 year old remembered everything from last year that we did. Even to us going to a different room, she tried to go to the room we were in last year. Personally for me she is building a happy childhood and even if she only remembers being there, then for me it is/was money well spent.:thumbsup2

We all have bad moments even at the happiest place on earth.
 
What you're missing is that you are seeing moments in time. Seconds, a minute, or the relatively tiny amount of time it took to get off that boat. You're not seeing the whole hour, day, or trip.

It's this little blip in time of a bad moment or a tantrum, and you're turning it into the ENTIRE trip.

We were just at DL for 7 days. We went far more commando-style than we had planned, we just couldn't seem to help ourselves. No one wanted to leave the parks to go sleep, or really, even swim. So no one insisted except for two days (and those two days I went right back to DL while DH and DS slept).

Did DH and I argue? Yep, a few times. We do at home, too. Sometimes the communication is like telepathy, and other times it just doesn't work at all. Did DS have some bad moments? Oh yes. Definitely. But was it the WHOLE trip? Nope. Probably one hour's worth for the whole trip, OK, maybe two hour's total. Out of 7 days!

But we recognized that for someone nearby, they were going to think "OMG that family is awful, just listen to what is happening!" But that's not MY problem, it's theirs, isn't it?

The three of us (with my brother and his wife) went to DL for one day when DS was just over 1, and again when he was just over 2. Were those days perfect? No. Were those days WONDERFUL? Yes. When he was 1, he was in diapers, cloth diapers even! I got to bring enough for the day, and haul out the dirty ones. Was that less than spectacular? yes. Did it detract from the overall wonderfulness of the day? NO. When he was 2, he was almost done with dipes so we had to bring his cloth training pants. It was still great.

We don't know what he remembers from his first trip. And after the second trip, we didn't think he thought about it. But a few months after we got back, he had a language explosion and started talking all about the trip! It was so cool. I don't let him near my computer where the pictures are stored, I don't have them printed, and we didn't really talk about it, so all of those memories were in his head, waiting for his words to catch up with his brain. Obviously this third trip was incredible. He's only 3! But he remembers.

I am the oldest of 5. I know very well that the ages of 9 and 11 aren't pure joy, either. I bet there were some moments in your own family that weren't sweetness and light. When I was 9 I was convinced I was the heaviest person on the planet, and was already obsessed with my weight. So I wouldn't have eaten much. When I was 11, I thought I was the ugliest person on the planet. So none of the pictures of me would have had me smiling, especially b/c I was in full-band braces at the time. I remember my 11th birthday...we did exactly what I wanted, I wore what I wanted, we ate what I wanted...but I still had a major tizzy fit at one point of the day, and my family got to deal with that... Just b/c someone is older doesn't mean a trip with them will be perfect! With my brothers, at that age, they would have been smelly, sweaty, and obsessed with either looking cool, what their voices were doing, or some other thing...the youngest would have been checking out the girls, and separating himself from the parental units...

As for that woman on the boat...my first thought was "it was probably his idea to take the boat, and she probably advised against it".

It's all blips in a day, blips in a week, blips out of the year...they'll happen at home, they'll happen at a Disney park...me, I'll take the parks...

Especially today. Today is rotten. I finally got DS to sleep (he still naps) and had to go eat half a pint of ice cream, which I NEVER do anymore. If anyone had been listening outside our apartment door they would have been horrified, but they also would have missed all the quiet cute moments, AND they would have missed all the rotten but silent things DS was doing to get me to be Quite That Loud...augh, wish I had more ice cream, but I finished it. Can I please fly to Disneyland again? If he's going to be like this, we might as well be there!:scared:

My family and I just returned from 9 days in the World. My kids are 9 and 11.
That being said, for the majority of our vacation we were inundated with crying babies and over-stimulated toddlers throwing tantrums and crying. Parents were sniping at each other, just terribly nasty!
My husband and I both agreed that waiting til the kids were older was the right choice.
What is the attraction to taking your kids there when they are so small? I'm not trying to sound nasty, but it seemed to me that the majority just were not enjoying it at ALL. The parents looked exhausted and as I said before, taking it out on each other.
Case in point. We were on the boat at DTD waiting to come back to our resort. The captain told us that a lightening storm was in the area and we'd all have to disembark and use alternate transportation. No problem for us. But the family ahead of us turned it into a disaster. It was a mom, dad, a three year old and an infant with a double stroller.
The mother started arguing with the father because we had to get off the boat. The poor guy didn't stand a chance. She sniped at him the whole way back to World of Disney where we took another turn. I mean, it's not his fault a storm was coming. She *could* have stayed on the boat in the lightening while sitting on her metal seat. lol
This was common place. People just nasty to each other. It was very hot and that makes tempers run short, but geez. This is supposed to be a vacation. And no one is enjoying it.
Is it worth the money for a few photo ops? The kids won't remember it. And the most expensive souvenier is going to be the marriage counselling you'll need afterwards.
I felt so badly for so many parents. Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? :confused3
 
I understand what you mean to a certain extent. It is very stressful when you have an irritable toddler and it's hot, etc. But, as I have learned, mid afternoon naps and breaks are a God send. We learned the hard way that we needed to take a break and go back to the room. DD took a nap, as did we and we were all refreshed for a night in the World. Sleeping in the stroller just isn't the same as going back and taking a break from all of the stimulation.

As for saying that they don't remember it. My DD(3) will be going on her 6th trip to WDW. Now granted, the first 4 were really for us but, she talks about WDW all of the time. She remembers going trick or treating with Mickey last year...and before you say that the pictures are what she is remembering...they are in my computer and don't get looked at by my DD. I very, very rarely print them out at all.

I am happy that I have taken my DD to WDW 5 times, and #6 on the way in 2weeks. It has not only created memories for myself, my husband and my family, but she also remembers that last trip when she was 2. She LOVES Disney and everything Disney and I LOVE that she does.
 
The attraction for those of us who "do it right" with small kids is that we get to see their reactions to everything, while enjoying a relaxing family vacation. At WDW our approach is to do a bit of park time each day, hitting a few attractions that would be of interest to DS, then we relax at the hotel and take advantage of the mindboggling amount of low key, non-park related activities that are offered at WDW. I think trying to be a park commando with a small child is a huge mistake, so please don't lump me in with the idiots who do this, just because I have a small child in tow, OK?

Whoa whoa whoa...idiots? That's a bit harsh, yes?

And yes, I could be seen as one of those, b/c as I said in my post earlier, we just were having too much darned fun to stop! All of us. I did my research, I had my plans, and...they just got dumped b/c of the fun. We also had blissfully empty parks until the last two days, so how on earth could any but the strongest pass up those 5-10 minute waits, to go back and have a boring nap? :upsidedow

But idiots? I didn't feel like an idiot except for in the lowest moments, but then, we'd wake up and do it all over again, and have JUST as much fun as the day before.

Even though who do it "wrong" can still have tons of fun.
 
We haven't taken the kids yet, but we're leaving in about 2 1/2 weeks to take them on their first WDW trip. DS just turned 2 last week and DD will be 4 in Nov and I'll be 22-23 weeks PG at the time as well. We're VERY excited and so are both the kids. They know the characters and can't wait to "meet" everyone. We're going for them, like PPs have said. It's still magic for them, they think all the characters are real. We took DD to Sesame Place when she was 18 months old. The magic for us was seeing her reaction when she met the characters and went on rides. She doesn't remember that day like we do, but she sees the pics of her with Elmo and to this day gets excited about it! We know to go at the kids' pace (and mine too! LOL) and we are skipping things like MNSSHP since it's too late at night for them. We know they are both good at napping in the stroller when need be (well DD is outgrowing naps but DS is great at it) so we know we won't have to go back to the room. We also already planned for DH to go on the big rides that the kids and I can't go on when I'm with the kids watching a show or waiting in a long line to meet characters. This way, they won't have to wait around for their daddy. We alos know that if they start to get cranky or overtired, that whatever we planned for that day will be changed to meet their needs.
 
I haven't read all the responses, but I will be taking my son for his 1st birthday in January and I cannot wait to see WDW through his eyes! We always take the parks slow and take frequent breaks because we go often and don't feel the need to zip around, so that won't be so different for us with him along. I will watch for his cues and react appropriately as they come up. No parent wants their child to have a meltdown, especially in public. If a parent miscalculates what their child is up for, well, it stinks for everyone involved, but it won't be the end of anyone's world.

A young child won't remember WDW, but they'll have a great time at the time they are there. That argument just doesn't wash with me because that means you shouldn't do anything fun as a family until the child is old enough to remember it. If you are only going once in your life, or once in a blue moon, I agree that I'd wait. If you go as often as so many of us go, then go early and go often. pixiedust:
 
I don't believe anyone will want to "lynch" you, we're all to nice for that!! We've taken our girls on vacations since they were newborns, and have loved every trip. We understand that they don't remember every trip, but my dh and I sure do. Our oldest is twelve now, and has been to some very exotic places, as well as WDW numerous times. We want to show our girls the world outside the tiny town we live in.(We love our home, but it is a very big world and we want to share it with them)When I see children having a fit, I turn away, as I see it as a normal part of growing up, but wow, some of the parents I've seen make me want to scream. A trip with young children is never easy, but it can be enjoyed by all if you plan accordingly. I'd be willing to bet the families you witnessed at disney, behave the same at home. Disney is magic to little kids. I actuallly feel sorry for those who wait until their kids are older, because disney then becomes(to many)just another amusement park. Janice
 
To each her own!

I've been to WDW 3 times with DD4 and we're going back in December. There were definetely melt-down moments. That's life with small kids.

But the magical moments far outpace the miserable moments, so we keep going back. :thumbsup2
 
Let me assure all who were "bothered" by the tantrum - we weren't really enjoying it either!

TBH, I've rarely bothered by other kids' tantrums. At that point in time I'm just thinking "glad it's not mine this time." ;)
 
My family and I just returned from 9 days in the World. My kids are 9 and 11.
That being said, for the majority of our vacation we were inundated with crying babies and over-stimulated toddlers throwing tantrums and crying. Parents were sniping at each other, just terribly nasty!
My husband and I both agreed that waiting til the kids were older was the right choice.
What is the attraction to taking your kids there when they are so small? I'm not trying to sound nasty, but it seemed to me that the majority just were not enjoying it at ALL. The parents looked exhausted and as I said before, taking it out on each other.
Case in point. We were on the boat at DTD waiting to come back to our resort. The captain told us that a lightening storm was in the area and we'd all have to disembark and use alternate transportation. No problem for us. But the family ahead of us turned it into a disaster. It was a mom, dad, a three year old and an infant with a double stroller.
The mother started arguing with the father because we had to get off the boat. The poor guy didn't stand a chance. She sniped at him the whole way back to World of Disney where we took another turn. I mean, it's not his fault a storm was coming. She *could* have stayed on the boat in the lightening while sitting on her metal seat. lol
This was common place. People just nasty to each other. It was very hot and that makes tempers run short, but geez. This is supposed to be a vacation. And no one is enjoying it.
Is it worth the money for a few photo ops? The kids won't remember it. And the most expensive souvenier is going to be the marriage counselling you'll need afterwards.
I felt so badly for so many parents. Can someone tell me what I'm missing here? :confused3

Didn't read through any of the other posts but I can suggest that perhaps what you're "missing" is far beyond what anyone can possibly imagine. I mean, does anyone ever really know why complete strangers may be in a bad mood? That's just what your "couple scenario" sounded like to me - perhaps the woman had a tough day and was "taking it out" on her DH. Not that it's ok for anyone to do but honestly, nobody's perfect and like it or not we all have moments when we do and say things that we shouldn't - often at the expense of someone close to us that we feel will eventually forgive our tirade. Nobody's perfect.
I don't see how the age of the children play into the scenario you described. I've seen families with children of older children with similar disagreements - I just don't understand how the age of the child makes a difference. Nor do I understand why it should matter whether a child has a tantrum at WDW or at the grocery store. Children have tantrums - should they all be kept at home until they're past that "stage"?
That being said, DH and I took DS to WDW when he was 17mo. It was a trip well worth every penny, and even every little "tantrum". Yup, he had a few minor melt-downs but in all honesty - far fewer than when we're at home! I would do it all over again in a heartbeat:thumbsup2 In planning for that trip DH and I both viewed it as a trip for DS, not for us. We planned little and were extremely flexible so as to adapt to what DS's needs were (a snack, nap, diaper change, etc?).
As with almost all things related to having children - I think parent's are programmed to sort of erase the bad memories and emphasize the good ones. So ... maybe that couples dispute/tiff had a stronger impact on you than it has had on them. :)
 
Whoa whoa whoa...idiots? That's a bit harsh, yes?

And yes, I could be seen as one of those, b/c as I said in my post earlier, we just were having too much darned fun to stop! All of us.

Sorry...I don't think you are an idiot...my apologies for not putting more clarity in my remarks. What my intention to communicate was that those who go commando through the parks with small children in tow who aren't up for the challenge or who aren't having fun are the idiots. You had a plan and your family was happy...I think that's great.

I guess what I'm inarticulately trying to say is that I think parents who don't know their family's limitations or refuse to yield to their family's limitations while taking a commando approach to park touring are idiots.
 
Our last trip, I saw mostly older children throwing tantrums (school age kids).
 
My kids are 11 and 13. We didn't take our first trip to Disney (Land in this case) until they were 7 and 9. And you know what, I wish, wish, WISH, we had gone when they were little. When they would have thought Cinderella was really Cinderella and so on. We waited not to have the perfect trip they would always remember, we waited mostly because that was when we could finally afford to go. Sure I have never had to deal with diapers, bottles/breast feeding, toddlers, strollers and naps on a Disney vacation, but the vast majority of people I see who are doing that, well they look like they are having a great deal of fun to me.

There is no right or wrong way to go to WDW. To each their own.

I think that those of us who have kids who are older now tend to forget that our kids once threw tantrums, whined (well sometimes my kids still do that ;) )and acted like total wild animals in public at times. But they did. Its so easy to get lost in the here and now stage of your kids and forget what happened before. Just today at Target I saw this little guy just wailing and flailing and having the worst tantrum. His poor mom couldn't do a thing! I was thinking, thank God those days are over. Suddenly this Target employee came over and gave the little boy a sticker and all was saved. And I was thanking, too bad my kid's woes can't be solved with a sticker anymore! So it works both ways.

And remember, that tantrum you see is just one tiny slice of a long day. You missed all the magical, wonderful moments that happened in the hours before that.
 
TBH, I've rarely bothered by other kids' tantrums. At that point in time I'm just thinking "glad it's not mine this time." ;)

Now that mine are all older, that's usually my thought as well.

If you happened to be at Epcot the evening of Sept.28th, you may have witnessed MY meltdown. My DD13 was being 13 (at it's best) and smarted off to her dad. He told her she was acting like a brat. She walked away and just walked faster when I called her. When I did catch up to her, she told me that she didn't have to let anyone talk to her that way. At that point, I had a meltdown and told her rather loudly, I'm afraid, that if either her father or I decided to call her everything but a child of God, she most certainly DID have to just stand there and let us talk to her that way. So if any of you had to witness my meltdown...sorry.

Most of our 9-day trip was magical, as it almost always is, but for some reason, we did seem to do a bit more sniping at each other this time. I have no idea why, but we also seemed to notice more people than usual doing the same thing.
 
I will always be thankful for all of our trips to WDW. Different trips had/have different issues.

It amazes me that people judge others by a snapshot of their lives. Since ono one's life is perfect, you just have to wonder what people thought about the OP's family, during the trip, and when their kids were younger. 'Cuz all kids are embarrassing/inappropriate, sometimes.
 
I agree with those who say who feel that any problem that you witness is only a moment in time. My DH wanted very much for us to take our DGD, who was 4 to Disney so she could meet her celebrities when they were the real deal to her. DD and DSIL agreed that we all would go and would plan to just go at her pace, backup plan in place in case she was overwhelmed or afraid. We really did no go on many attractions that first trip so anyone who knows how to maximize park time would have been appalled. For us it was the best trip any of us have ever taken. My DGD was enchanted by all of her "friends" mesmerized by all of the sights, and we were able to experience this through her eyes.

FF to the following August. DGD is now 5 and we have another trip planned. We did not over plan, spent plenty of time at the pool, and there were some very bad moments. It was not her age or her manners or my Grandparenting. She had been taking a new medication to help control stomach migraines and reflux. It had a side effect that turned my normally well behaved lovely little DGD into a child who was having trouble with self control and on our last day a child who had a complete meltdown. She was a crying, running shaking terrified little girl. Anyone who witnessed it would have wondered how it had gotten to that point. For all I know someone here witnessed it and posted about out of control kids dragged to the point of exhaustion by commando people who refuse to recognize their children's limits.

We took her again in January and she was back to normal, but there were some moments where her Mom would have loved to strangle her and her Uncle, who has no children was offering parenting advice.

I know that everyone can offer opinions here, but how many of us can honestly say that we have never lost control, had a meltdown or a show of temper that we would not like to erase? I choose to overlook those moments parents have, either with their children or with each other. My vacation is about me and my family, our memories and what works for us.
 
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