Illegal Happy Meals

Thank you for expanding on your original conspiracy theory.:thumbsup2

How does the govt work? Please expand on this fascinating theory. Please connect all the dots for me, so that I may fully understand your theory on how this is the first of many steps that one day may or may not result in a ban on junk food.

I'd love to continue this tit for tat with you WallE, but its really a waste of my time, you either see it or you don't or maybe you really don't understand it all, either way, whatever I say isn't going to help you with that.
 
It's actually pretty simple. It is virtually axiomatic that any gov't program, once implimented, exists into perpetuity, and its efficacy is never actually examined. It is also axoimatic that any gov't program serves as a basic for creating other, similar programs, regardless of whether or not the original program actually achieved its stated goals.

So, some gov't entity (local, state, federal) bans free toys with happy meals/imposes a tax on soda/bans trans-fats/bans salt in the preparation of food. There is virtually no chance that the ban will be examined in two, five, ten or even twenty years, to see if it actually generated the revenues stated/achieved the goal of reducing obesity/whatever.

Sometimes, a program will achieve one goal, but in so doing, create another. IIRC, the S-CHIP expansion, for example, was funded in part by a fairly significant tax increase on tobacco products. The fact that such taxes are regressive aside, the tax increase will have the (unexpected, but happy) benefit of reducing smoking. Of course, that means that the S-CHIP expansion is underfunded (fewer smokers, people smoking less both mean less tax revenue, therefore less funding), so the solution will be a tax on something (either more on tobacco, or possibly some other sin tax - soda, HFCS, whatever).
:thumbsup2Nice try. I read studies all the time on the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of various govt programs and have seen these programs changed as a result of these studies.

But the serious question here is this: How is not allowing McDonalds to tempt children with toys to eat their foods going to lead to the upcoming snack food ban? How much time do I have? Should I start stockpiling my Nabisco and Oreo cookies now?
 
This is one of the most stupid laws I have ever read about. There goes personal freedom. Little steps at a time
 

This is one of the most stupid laws I have ever read about. There goes personal freedom. Little steps at a time

People seem really confused by all this. We are not losing our personal freedoms. A law against a corporation knowingly targeting children with toys in order to get them to eat unhealthy products does not infringe on our personal freedoms. We are still personally free to buy as many happy meals and toys that we like. This is a law directed at a corporation, not a single person.

For example, when a community passes a law restricting trans fat in restaurant food, it is something the corporation must adhere to. It does not infringe on our personal freedoms. We can still prepare and eat foods with trans fats in them. It is the corporations that are having restrictions placed on them in order to make them more responsible for the role they play in our current obesity epidemic.
 
If they got rid of high fructose corn syrup, it would be a great start. The country's obesity rate started climbing when companies started using this as a sweetener.

:thumbsup2 But rather than getting rid of that, our govt continues to subsidize it on one hand while taxing/banning/demonizing unhealthy foods on the other.

For those who care about obesity, in children and otherwise, the farm bill that subsidizes the corn that goes into all that cheap, unhealthy, processed food will be up for reconsideration this year to go into effect in 2012. We all have a voice, it is up to us to make it heard on the issues we care about!
 
Isn't quite the same as offering a toy on a meal that is served regularly in a public school and totally legal for minors to have.

That's what bothers me - the idea of penalizing McDs and other fast food joints for "enticing" kids with a toy, while schools feed the EXACT SAME crap to their captive audience on a regular basis. It is so... typical. Such wasted effort and outrage that could have been much better channeled in other directions.
 
Parent ≠ Government and in the above situation the parents are in full control of the food decisions of their child, toy ad or no toy ad. Any parent so lazy that they need the government to do what is right instead of doing so themselves really should take a look in the mirror and grow up.

Well, I guess if nothing else at least hell will get some new pavement for their southbound roads. :goodvibes


In the current world lack of information can not be an excuse for anyone or anything. There is information there just waiting to be found. They just don't know any better is no longer a justification for anything. And who is responsible for this education? Each individual is responsible for educating themselves and their children.

I've taught myself way more then anyone has ever taught me.

If people know the options and ignore the information to make the worse choice they should be free to do so. I am not interested in telling other people how to live. If a toy ad is enough to make someone go against their better judgment then that is their problem, not the governments.

I am amazed at how many people need the government to take them by the hand and tell them what to do. It is not their job to make up for anyone's lack of willpower.

:thumbsup2 I'm going to create a fan page dedicated to your witty comments. You have a very profound way of stating what I consider the obvious but many people just don't "get".

It's so sad the direction this country is taking with the whole "it takes a village" mindset. In most cases, if people NEED the government to think for them then I think we have already failed as a society. I'm very saddened with the huge amount of dependency folks have on the government to provide, let alone THINK, for them. When people don't have to think for themselves and learn the true meaning of personal responsibility I think you end up with a "dumbed down" group of citizens.
 
Come to think of it, they don't show the toys on TV. It has been probably years since they have. In fact they show kids getting the healthier choices on TV with no mention of the happy meal toy.

For many, many years now the fast food places have only advertised the toy if it is a high-demand item (Beanie Babies when they were "in") or a movie tie-in. Otherwise, they don't bother, probably because it isn't cost effective. Most Happy Meal toys aren't enough of a draw to bring people in; they're just a little "bonus" for the kids who would be getting fast food anyway.
 
I'm not through the whole thread yet but the "toys entice kids to want the meals" doesn't work for me. Do my kids love chicken nuggets and fries? Oh yeah, they'd eat them every day if I let them. Instead I provide meals made of lean meats, whole grains and veggies 5-6 days out of the week. (I'm guilty of mac & cheese or the like every once in awhile). Once every couple of weeks I will get them McDs. My kids have NEVER gotten a Happy Meal, they don't even know what one is. I get nuggets and med fries for the little ones to split, no sauce, no sodas, no toys. I don't avoid the toys because it makes them want the meal, I avoid Happy Meals because it's cheaper and I don't want them to add soda to the mix. (I know I can get milk but I provide it at home). I have made these decisions all on my own, using common sense without the government dictating to me how I should feed my child(ren).

For me personally, laws like this bring out the rebel in me. Tell me I can't do something? Heh, watch me. If anything this will backfire. But then some citizens of CA tend to like to be led from what I can tell. I live in NV and when we go there I live with this, "what if I do something wrong" feeling the whole time I'm there. I just don't see it solving anything, charge a penny for the toy, it's now legal and nothing changes.:confused3

eta: I don't mean the above statement as anything against CA residents-it's the tell me what to do laws (when it's common sense) I have a problem with.
 

The parents? Many of them are obese themselves - and unless they are living under a rock, they are certainly aware of what constitutes good choices and what doesn't..

I don't think that's a given at all. There are a lot of mixed messages in our society regarding what is and isn't healthy, and marketing is a science. Sure, there are the obese parents who know that McDs and freezer pizzas are a terrible diet but think they don't have time/money to do better, but there are also those who look at a pizza and see all four food groups, order the 600 calorie salad at McDs thinking it is the better choice, and give their kids a fruit cup for the fruit without even thinking about the heavy syrup it is packed in.
 
Government trying to fix the obesity problem has already crept into the schools. Our local schools have banned cupcakes for birthday parties and cut back on holiday parties - not in the name of lost instruction time, but in the name of childhood obesity.

And there's another example of ridiculousness - ban birthday treats in the classroom, but continue serving chocolate milk, fruit packed in heavy syrup, and deep fried formed-meat nuggets in the lunchroom.
 
All I know is that if I lived in that area, I would simply drive to the next county to get a McD's fix. I don't buy happy meals and I eat at McD's once every 6 months or so but it's the principle of the thing.

I also plan to carry my own salt if this salt ban spreads. I use very little salt, just a teeny bit on certain foods, but I plan to have it if my food needs it.

I wonder if others will do the same?
 
I understand the viewpoint that this law is trivial - it seems such a minor thing and it may not work at all. But it is based on a major tenet of healthy eating habits for young children. I've read multiple articles and books on getting through the picky toddler/preschooler eating phases and instilling healthy eating at a young age. The number one thing all of these experts agree on is that food should not be associated with rewards. We should not reward a child with food or reward a child for eating food (other than some praise if they try something new, etc.). So the principle behind this law is sound.

While this law may not be effective, I don't think it's as horrifying an over-reach as others. This law hasn't banned anything. Instead of placing a ban on McDonald's serving bad food to children, the gov't has given fast food places a choice. They can choose to continue serving their fatty, salty meals with no toy, or they can offer healthier options with a toy. The latter is what I would love to see. My child would be happy to eat grilled chicken and carrot sticks, but I don't think there are any fast food places that offer a healthy main dish.
 
:thumbsup2 I'm going to create a fan page dedicated to your witty comments. You have a very profound way of stating what I consider the obvious but many people just don't "get".

Woo hoo :cool1: party:

And here I thought I was finally somebody when I got my name in the phonebook.
 
All I know is that if I lived in that area, I would simply drive to the next county to get a McD's fix. I don't buy happy meals and I eat at McD's once every 6 months or so but it's the principle of the thing.

I also plan to carry my own salt if this salt ban spreads. I use very little salt, just a teeny bit on certain foods, but I plan to have it if my food needs it.

I wonder if others will do the same?

Like I said in my previous post, I live in this county, and it only affects McD's in unincorporated areas (about 10 altogether). There are PLENTY of other McD's one can go to in our area if they want that toy.
 
My child would be happy to eat grilled chicken and carrot sticks, but I don't think there are any fast food places that offer a healthy main dish.
Many of them offer salads with grilled chicken and low fat dressing. I've actually seen a few kids in the 8-10 year old range eating salads. My only quibble is that the meat tends to be a bit too salty but it's certainly a healthier alternative.

Also, small plain hamburgers aren't too bad. People buy the monsters and that's a whole other thing.
 
Haven't they started (or tried) putting cartoon characters from Sesame Street or Dora or some kiddie show on fresh fruit and vegetable packages to get kids more interested in healthy foods? How did that work out? Are sales of prepared fruits and vegetables increasing?

As far as the toy influencing children's preferences, why can't parents simply say no to kids begging for McDonald's? My parents certainly denied me things when I was growing up. It didn't kill me. It just teaches you that you can't always get what you want.

And as far as the smoking analogy, most of the kids I knew in school who smoked didn't do it b/c of Joe Camel or the Marlboro Man. They did it b/c their parents or their older siblings did it, or probably most importantly, their friends did it.
 
In the end people have to do for themselves and their children. Just like everyone knows smoking is bad for you and some choose to do it anyway people know certain eating habits are bad and will do it anyway.

It is unfortunate but one of the downsides of freedom is the freedom to make bad choices. Free speech must allow not nice speech. Free press means the press must be allowed to be controversial. Freedom of assembly means that the KKK and that church that protests at soldier's funerals get to assemble too.

The day we only have the freedom to make certain choices I will be hoping for a new revolution.

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