If I'd Followed This Advice, I'd Be Dead.

Every woman could have MRI's but that is extremely expensive. I don't think that MRIs are what the "government task force" has in mind. Do you? The fact is, woman who are at risk for breast cancer due to history or genes often do have MRI's every other year and their insurance companies pay for this.

I'm not in the US, but the government here pays for my yearly MRI and my yearly mammogram.

Mammograms started at age 25; MRIs at age 30.

I have mixed feelings about the MRIs - the sensitivity is better (though any lumps found by MRI were seen on the follow up mammogram), but the specificity is much worse. So, we reduce the false-negatives, but are increasing the false-positive rate significantly. That scenario does not usually work well in a population-based screening program.
 
Every woman could have MRI's but that is extremely expensive. I don't think that MRIs are what the "government task force" has in mind. Do you?
Specifically, they said:

The USPSTF concludes that the current evidence is insufficient to assess the additional benefits and harms of either digital mammography or magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) instead of film mammography as screening modalities for breast cancer.
 
I find this recommendation to be outrageous. I am sitting here as I'm typing this waiting for a call from the outpatient facility to set up an appointment to remove 2 lumps detected during my recent mammogram (and a follow-up u/s). I just turned 44 last month and have no history of breast cancer in my family. These lumps were not detected by a manual exam in the doc's office.

Now.... we don't think these lumps are cancerous and I'm sure finding out will cost our insurance company a whole lot of money, but you know what I'm worth it. My family and friends would agree with that statement as well. Not only that, but if we added up the amount of money we have paid in insurance premiums over the years I have no doubt that we have paid more than the mammogram, u/s, and removal procedure will cost. I have no doubt that it is also a lot less than surgery and chemo would cost later should this be cancerous and gone undetected.

This really is an outrage, and I can't help but wonder if this were a prodominently male cancer if the same recommendations/guidelines would have been issued.
 
I heard the new recommendations when I watched The Today Show and was shocked. Sadly, I think $$ is the bottom line for the new recommendations. Self exams and mammograms save lives!

I recently made my annual mammogram appointment for January. I'm 41 and I hope my insurance company will continue to pay for an annual mammogram.
 

I find this recommendation to be outrageous. I am sitting here as I'm typing this waiting for a call from the outpatient facility to set up an appointment to remove 2 lumps detected during my recent mammogram (and a follow-up u/s). I just turned 44 last month and have no history of breast cancer in my family. These lumps were not detected by a manual exam in the doc's office.

Now.... we don't think these lumps are cancerous and I'm sure finding out will cost our insurance company a whole lot of money, but you know what I'm worth it. My family and friends would agree with that statement as well. Not only that, but if we added up the amount of money we have paid in insurance premiums over the years I have no doubt that we have paid more than the mammogram, u/s, and removal procedure will cost. I have no doubt that it is also a lot less than surgery and chemo would cost later should this be cancerous and gone undetected.

This really is an outrage, and I can't help but wonder if this were a prodominently male cancer if the same recommendations/guidelines would have been issued.

I think you will see equally outrageous recommendations coming down the road for Prostate cancer screening and treatment.
 
I think you will see equally outrageous recommendations coming down the road for Prostate cancer screening and treatment.

I hope not. I hope there will be enough outrage with this "recommendation" that at the very least the "government task force" will not go against the respective organization's guidance. It's pretty bad when the government is going against recommendations from the National Cancer Society. Sad day. :sad2:
 
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I hope not. I hope there will be enough outrage with this "recommendation" that at the very least the "government task force" will not go against the respective organization's guidance. It's pretty bad when the government is going against recommendations from the National Cancer Society. Sad day. :sad2:
Leaving aside the question of whether this panel is "the government," why do you believe that the National Cancer Society's recommendation is more valid than the panel's?
 
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This also was meant for those who have no history. Those with family history of breast cancer are still encouraged to get their regular screenings.

The majority of women newly diagnosed have no family history. I had no family history of bc when I had my first mammo at age 40 and underwent the lumpectomy. The women I know fighting bc are on dh side.

I'm another breast cancer survivor who wouldn't be alive today if these recommendations were followed. I was only 42 when my lump was found during my annual mammogram. I had absolutely NO family history or risk factors.

You've hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what it is.
It's the same as insurance companies influencing when patients are sent home after major surgeries. Women having mastectomies and being sent home sometimes less than 24 hours later with drainage devices still in place. All because insurance companies don't want to foot the bill. If we continue to let insurance companies dictate how we receive our healthcare, we'll continue to lose. Do you think insurance companies give a crap about our health and well being? It's a business, just like any other, and the only thing they're concerned with is the bottom line. Period.

You got it. Sad. :mad:
 
Leaving aside the question of whether this panel is "the government," why do you believe that the National Cancer Society's recommendation is more valid than the panel's?

ABSOLUTELY! The government's role at this time is focused on reducing the cost of health care. Limiting screening and bumping up the recommended guidelines by ten years saves a ton of money. The National Cancer Society, The American College of Surgeons, Radiology, etc. advocate for the patient.
 
Leaving aside the question of whether this panel is "the government," why do you believe that the National Cancer Society's recommendation is more valid than the panel's?

Why would you think the National Cancer Society's recommendation would be less valid?
 
Dr. Zarfos stops short of calling them idiots, but I can read between the lines and she isn't alone.

QUOTE]Courant.com

MAMMOGRAMS

Call For Cancer Screening Starting At Age 50 Criticized

By JENNA CARLESSO

The Hartford Courant

November 17, 2009


A Connecticut breast cancer specialist is lashing out against an influential federal task force's findings that women in their 40s should stop having annual mammograms and older women should cut back on scheduled exams.

Dr. Kristen Zarfos, director of the Comprehensive Breast Health Center at St. Francis Hospital and Medical Center in Hartford, said the recommendations made by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force were a step back for health care that has helped lower the breast cancer-related death toll 3.3 percent each year for women aged 40 to 50 over the past 12 years.

The task force recommended that women 50 and older cut back to one scheduled exam every other year, and it has reported that there was insufficient evidence to continue routine mammograms beyond age 74.

"To withhold a tool that finds breast cancer in its earliest stage in women with the highest risk — one has to wonder what their goal is," Zarfos said of the panel. The highest incidents of breast cancer occur in women in their 60s, 70s and 80s, she noted.

In its first re-evaluation of breast cancer screening since 2002, the panel — which sets government policy on prevention — recommended the radical change, citing evidence that the potential harm to women undergoing annual exams beginning at age 40 outweighs the benefits.

"We're not saying women shouldn't get screened. Screening does save lives," said Diana Petitti, vice chairwoman of the task force, which released the recommendations Monday in a paper being published in today's Annals of Internal Medicine. "But we are recommending against routine screening. There are important and serious negatives or harms that need to be considered carefully."

The task force's new guidelines, which also recommend against teaching women to do regular breast self-exams, triggered intense debate.

Several patient advocacy groups and many breast cancer experts praised the shift, saying it represents a growing recognition that more testing, exams and treatment are not always beneficial and, in fact, can harm patients.

Mammograms produce false-positive results in about 10 percent of cases, causing anxiety and often prompting women to undergo unnecessary follow-up tests, sometimes disfiguring biopsies, and unneeded treatment, including surgery, radiation and chemotherapy.

But the American Cancer Society, the American College of Radiology and other experts condemned the change, saying that the benefits of routine mammography have been clearly demonstrated and play a key role in reducing the number of mastectomies and the death toll from one of the most common cancers.

"Tens of thousands of lives are being saved by mammography screening, and these idiots want to do away with it," said Daniel Kopans, a radiology professor at Harvard Medical School. "It's crazy — unethical, really."

Zarfos said the benefits of ruling out cancer far outweigh the few risks involved in a biopsy. The risk of infection from a biopsy is low, she added, and the degree of radiation that women are exposed to while undergoing a mammogram does not increase their risk of developing breast cancer or other cancers.

"Taking care of breasts is an imperfect science," Zarfos said. "Believe me, no surgeon wants to unnecessarily put a patient through surgery."

Although the findings might be influential in the field, Susan Tannenbaum, medical director of the Clinical and Translational Breast Program at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine, said they probably won't take away from the years of proof demonstrating that mammograms save lives.

"It might have an impact on women's lives, and we think it will," she said. "But right now there is no other screening tool. Mammography saves lives."

Some questioned whether the new guidelines, coming in the midst of a national debate about the health care system and costs, were designed more to control spending than improve health. They worried that the move, in addition to prompting fewer doctors to recommend mammograms to their patients, would prompt Medicare and private insurers to deny coverage of many mammograms.

The new recommendations took on added significance because under health care reform legislation pending in Congress, the conclusions of the 16-member task force would set standards for what preventive health care services insurance plans would be required to cover at little or no cost.

Connecticut's health care advocate, Kevin Lembo, said Monday night he hopes that insurance carriers will not "latch onto" the task force's recommendations as a reason not to provide coverage to patients.

"I think we need to look into [the issue]," Lembo said.

About 39 million women undergo mammograms each year in the United States, costing the health care system more than $5 billion a year.

"I think it's more cost-related than it is related to actual evidence, which says lives are saved through mammography," said Andrew Salner, director of the Helen & Harry Gray Cancer Center at Hartford Hospital. "Why should we put our heads in the sand and not diagnose tumors that could be treated? These recommendations fly in the face of everything we know."

Petitti, vice chairwoman of the federal task force, denied that the panel was influenced by the health care reform debate or cost issues.

The new guidelines were based on a comprehensive analysis of the medical literature that included an update of a Swedish study involving about 70,000 women, new results from a British trial involving more than 160,000 women and data from more than 600,000 women from the U.S. Breast Cancer Surveillance Consortium.

In addition, the task force commissioned an unusual study funded by the National Cancer Institute that involved six independent teams of researchers conducting separate mathematical modeling studies of the risks and benefits of 20 different screening strategies.

Although annual mammography for all women beginning at age 40 reduced the death rate from breast cancer by at least 15 percent, the modeling studies indicated that the added benefit of starting before age 50 was modest, the researchers concluded.

For every 1,000 women screened beginning at age 40, the model suggested that just 0.7 deaths from breast cancer would be prevented, while 480 women would get a false-positive result and 33 more would undergo unnecessary biopsies.

"What isn't in the model but is an issue is how many extra imaging tests are done to follow up on things that turn out to be falsely positive and the harm of the anxiety that goes along with that," Petitti said. "Then there's the whole other line of problems that come into play, which is where there are some breast cancers detected that grow very slowly and would never have killed you."

•Staff writer Matt Sturdevant contributed to this story. A Washington Post report also is included.

Copyright © 2009, The Hartford Courant
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I saw this last night on the news and it angered me especially since I was diagnosed with breast cancer at 28 with no family history.
 
My eyes nearly fell out of my head when I read that! :eek:

So many younger women are now being diagnosed with b.c. - they would be DEAD long before 50!! :sad2:
 
Heard this on the news and I honestly can't say I'm surprised. My insurance company doesn't even pay for an annual pap anymore :sad2:
 
Heard this on the news and I honestly can't say I'm surprised. My insurance company doesn't even pay for an annual pap anymore :sad2:

That's bad. Are you insured through your employer? Could it be set up by your employer to not have the annual pap covered?
 
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I saw this last night on the news and it angered me especially since I was diagnosed with breast cancer at 28 with no family history.
Welcome! Wow, diagnosed at 28!
 
I don't understand. Isn't it said that preventative care is actually less costly than treatment? If these guidelines are followed won't the insurance companies just have to pay even more since likely more women will end up with more advanced cases of cancer?

Wow, this is so awful. I wonder what your average mammogram costs.
 
I hope every woman continues with a baseline mammo at 40.

I had a cousin die at 40 from breast cancer.

I also had two friends diagnosed with breast cancer when they were in their late 30's. One made it the other didn't.

None of these women had a family history of breast cancer.
 
That's bad. Are you insured through your employer? Could it be set up by your employer to not have the annual pap covered?

I'm no longer employed by them, but covered by COBRA (for now...shopping for new insurance). I have no idea if they set it up that way or if the plan does. It's a high deductible plan - no copays, they'll pay for one preventative visit, but no tests. You're responsible for the first $2900, then 20% after that. Per year. They claim that's how they're keeping premiums down...Yep, $361 a month for a single is really cheap! :rotfl:
 

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