I wish DVC would build more resorts not connected to the theme parks.

Magical_Suitcase

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As we become older, we are less interested in visiting the parks and tend to use our points for resort stays that do not include visiting the parks. I am so glad we can visit Vero, Hilton Head and Aulani as DVC members. But, I wish there were more Disney options (not RCI). I really wish there was a DVC property in the Caribbean or even near one of the U.S. national parks. It seems to me that, years ago, there was talk of building resorts in areas not connected to the theme parks... Or maybe my memory is just wishful thinking.
 
You might be a good candidate for a non-Disney timeshare, either instead of or in addition to owning DVC. We’ve had several amazing vacations in various timeshare resorts: Washington DC, each of the “big four” Hawaiian islands, Sedona, Williamsburg, Smoky Mountains, Rocky Mountains, Hilton Head, coastal FL. We’re going to northern Vermont this summer. Next year we’re planning USVI and back to Hawaii. We’re planning a non-Disney Orlando trip late next winter, probably in one of the Marriott or Hilton resorts with visits to Universal and Sea World.
 
You might be a good candidate for a non-Disney timeshare, either instead of or in addition to owning DVC. We’ve had several amazing vacations in various timeshare resorts: Washington DC, each of the “big four” Hawaiian islands, Sedona, Williamsburg, Smoky Mountains, Rocky Mountains, Hilton Head, coastal FL. We’re going to northern Vermont this summer. Next year we’re planning USVI and back to Hawaii. We’re planning a non-Disney Orlando trip late next winter, probably in one of the Marriott or Hilton resorts with visits to Universal and Sea World.
I've thought about this, but it's hard to get started because there's so much negativity around non-DVC timeshares out there. But the kinds of vacations you mention would be great fits for my family. We like to do 3-4 week-long trips per year, one at WDW, one internationally, and one domestic like the ones you've mentioned. Is there a company/product in particular you recommend?
 
You might be a good candidate for a non-Disney timeshare, either instead of or in addition to owning DVC. We’ve had several amazing vacations in various timeshare resorts: Washington DC, each of the “big four” Hawaiian islands, Sedona, Williamsburg, Smoky Mountains, Rocky Mountains, Hilton Head, coastal FL. We’re going to northern Vermont this summer. Next year we’re planning USVI and back to Hawaii. We’re planning a non-Disney Orlando trip late next winter, probably in one of the Marriott or Hilton resorts with visits to Universal and Sea World.
We have discussed it but we already have an abundance of DVC points that I hesitate to add other timeshares to the mix. Plus, I like the "Mickey" touches that DVC has.
 

The non-theme park DVC properties have not been a success for DVC. Aulani does okay relative to the number of points Disney holds and the non-DVC part of the property, but has been on sale for 10 years and has never been fully declared to the condo association. Vero and HHI have not held value well and show heavy seasonality.

I think we are definitely seeing Disney will rely on exchange partners and not real estate investment for off-property choices.
 
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If you decide to buy into another time share get it resale. It is SO cheap to buy other timeshares resale. My family also owns Wyndham and booking is easy since you book like you do Disney, by the day (although they frequently have minimum required days now).
 
DVC will not build more resorts away from the theme parks because Disney is in the business to sell points. While many members (myself included) would like to visit those locations from time to time, not many members (myself included) want those locations as a home resort and somebody needs to buy the points.
 
As mentioned aboved, that is not DVC vision anymore.

That is why addon or new resorts are close or attached to a existing resort.
Cheaper and less risky . The existing resort gets a make over at the members expense. Win -Win for Disney and DVC .

The Aulani mistake will not happen again.
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I think this will probably not happen again, but I wish it would, too. Didn’t they have something planned with Washington D.C. that was scrapped? I thought that’d be great. Disney would have made that so engaging.

When we stayed at Aulani, we felt that we had a great Hawaiian experience without leaving the resort. It was fun and themed the way only Disney can do. People may say it wasn’t super authentic, and that’s ok, as there are other options. For us, it worked and we were endlessly entertained.

I look at the possibilities in places like Washington D.C. or New York City. Maybe with a Southwest theme down in Texas or a Northwest experience up in the Pacific Northwest. I’d be interested, that’s for sure.
 
DVC will not build more resorts away from the theme parks because Disney is in the business to sell points. While many members (myself included) would like to visit those locations from time to time, not many members (myself included) want those locations as a home resort and somebody needs to buy the points.
I think I agree with this but we don’t have a lot of good examples. I’d consider buying Hilton Head or Vero but the dues are too high and it’s a 2042 resort. Aulani is far away even for people on the West Coast.

I just like to see how a new resort in a major city with reasonable dues where you don’t have to cross and an ocean would do. I know I probably won’t get that chance, but I’d like to.
 
The harsh reality is that Disney is not that good as an hotelier. Neat the theme parks they have a exclusive captive audience. If you want on site perks and proximity to the parks you don't have other choices, it's Disney or compromise.
But in any other location in the "real" world, they have to compete with hotels that are either cheaper or have a better service. And often both.
I don't think we'll see any other off site resort and probably in 2042 they'll sell VB and HHI rather than refurbish.
 
I think this will probably not happen again, but I wish it would, too. Didn’t they have something planned with Washington D.C. that was scrapped? I thought that’d be great. Disney would have made that so engaging.

The DC thing was not a DVC item. Specifically they were going to build an American Themed park in Virginia. It was going to be a combination of Theme park and Historical Park in one. It was scrapped largely due to local resistance to the traffic that the park would garner.

In any case, it's very separate from the concept of DVC resorts that are not connected to parks. I think it's very possible that Disney builds more parks - certainly globally if not domestically I still think they could do well with one in Texas; but I am surprised they have not aimed for one in Brazil yet.

It's also very likely that new DVC resorts could be built attached to any off the parks globally located. However, I agree that DVC resorts as destinations in themselves is not very likely; although a lot of DVC members LATELY have shown increased taste for destination resort stays; so who knows.
 
The DC thing was not a DVC item. Specifically they were going to build an American Themed park in Virginia. It was going to be a combination of Theme park and Historical Park in one. It was scrapped largely due to local resistance to the traffic that the park would garner.

In any case, it's very separate from the concept of DVC resorts that are not connected to parks. I think it's very possible that Disney builds more parks - certainly globally if not domestically I still think they could do well with one in Texas; but I am surprised they have not aimed for one in Brazil yet.

It's also very likely that new DVC resorts could be built attached to any off the parks globally located. However, I agree that DVC resorts as destinations in themselves is not very likely; although a lot of DVC members LATELY have shown increased taste for destination resort stays; so who knows.
@Bjaiken77 may have been referring to the proposed Disney/DVC Resort at National Harbor.
 
I would like to see that as well. We love Disney Vero Beach and Disney Aulani in particular.
 
I've thought about this, but it's hard to get started because there's so much negativity around non-DVC timeshares out there. But the kinds of vacations you mention would be great fits for my family. We like to do 3-4 week-long trips per year, one at WDW, one internationally, and one domestic like the ones you've mentioned. Is there a company/product in particular you recommend?
First step: if you are serious, join the Timeshare User’s Group (tugbbs.com). it’s the disboards of the timeshare universe, and that’s the place to learn.

I think a big source of the negativity lies in the intersection between how timeshare is usually sold and purchased. Some sales agents stretch the truth (or outright lie) but most of them are good at telling a buyer just enough to be factually correct, but in a way that allows the buyer to fill in the gaps in ways that create unrealistic expectations. For their part, the buyer wants to make this purchase. It is an aspirational purchase that both raises the quality of their vacation lodging and represents an investment in family time and togetherness. And that fuels the buyer’s willing participation in filling in those gaps.

But, if you go in with your eyes wide open—and particularly if you are buying resale and saving real money—then those things aren’t really issues. At their core, other timeshares are just like DVC (unsurprising, because DVC is just a timeshare): you buy rights to reserve some lodging on a recurring basis, those rights are use-them-or-lose-them in some form, and you agree to pay your share of the ongoing operating and upkeep costs of that lodging and the reservation system, etc.

As for what to recommend: The first question is where do you want to go? If you have one destination that you want to return to over and over again, it makes sense to buy a fixed or floating week at that destination.

But in your case it sounds like you want to go to a variety of places. In that case, I think a points-based system is probably a better fit. But, points-based systems have different strengths and weaknesses in terms of location. So, I think it still makes sense to narrow down based on who has resorts in places you like, and then if there is more than one candidate to decide based on the quality/price tradeoff you want.

The main players are Marriott, Hilton, Wyndham, and WorldMark. You might also include Bluegreen in that set. Those are in rough order of quality/price, from higher to lower, but very rough.

Marriott has a large number of locations, including some international locations. Resorts are uniformly nice, but their ongoing costs are typically on the high end. It is not cheap to buy in, even resale, because the underlying properties have value and Marriott charges a fee to “wash” resale points. Marriott acquired and is folding in Starwood/Sheraton.

Hilton has a more targeted set of locations: the tend to build over and over in the same set of places (Orlando, Vegas, Oahu, Big Island) but have scattered locations elsewhere. They recently acquired Diamond and plan to fold them in in some way but it’s not clear how much that will cost and whether resale owners can participate. Resorts have a quality level comparable to Marriott in most cases, maybe just a small step down in others, and costs are lower both to buy and to own.

Wyndham is focused East of the Mississippi, Kauai, and the Big Island, but also has a healthy set of locations in the western US. Resort quality is more variable, usually reflecting the age of the resort. The better resorts can hold their own most anywhere, but not all of them are like that. They are significantly less expensive to buy on the resale market (think at most a dime on the dollar), and somewhat less expensive to own.

WorldMark is the “sibling” of Wyndham; they are separate systems, but both owned by the same developer. WorldMark focuses West of the Mississippi, but has some resorts in the East and on Hawaii. WorldMark is a little less expensive overall to own than Wyndham, and the resorts are mostly comparable if maybe just a smidge down the quality level. They are still very nice.

I can’t convince myself to consider Bluegreen; their resorts seem to be in less interesting places on average, the units aren’t as well configured or appointed, but they aren’t different enough in price to make up for those things.
 
First step: if you are serious, join the Timeshare User’s Group (tugbbs.com). it’s the disboards of the timeshare universe, and that’s the place to learn.

I think a big source of the negativity lies in the intersection between how timeshare is usually sold and purchased. Some sales agents stretch the truth (or outright lie) but most of them are good at telling a buyer just enough to be factually correct, but in a way that allows the buyer to fill in the gaps in ways that create unrealistic expectations. For their part, the buyer wants to make this purchase. It is an aspirational purchase that both raises the quality of their vacation lodging and represents an investment in family time and togetherness. And that fuels the buyer’s willing participation in filling in those gaps.

But, if you go in with your eyes wide open—and particularly if you are buying resale and saving real money—then those things aren’t really issues. At their core, other timeshares are just like DVC (unsurprising, because DVC is just a timeshare): you buy rights to reserve some lodging on a recurring basis, those rights are use-them-or-lose-them in some form, and you agree to pay your share of the ongoing operating and upkeep costs of that lodging and the reservation system, etc.

As for what to recommend: The first question is where do you want to go? If you have one destination that you want to return to over and over again, it makes sense to buy a fixed or floating week at that destination.

But in your case it sounds like you want to go to a variety of places. In that case, I think a points-based system is probably a better fit. But, points-based systems have different strengths and weaknesses in terms of location. So, I think it still makes sense to narrow down based on who has resorts in places you like, and then if there is more than one candidate to decide based on the quality/price tradeoff you want.

The main players are Marriott, Hilton, Wyndham, and WorldMark. You might also include Bluegreen in that set. Those are in rough order of quality/price, from higher to lower, but very rough.

Marriott has a large number of locations, including some international locations. Resorts are uniformly nice, but their ongoing costs are typically on the high end. It is not cheap to buy in, even resale, because the underlying properties have value and Marriott charges a fee to “wash” resale points. Marriott acquired and is folding in Starwood/Sheraton.

Hilton has a more targeted set of locations: the tend to build over and over in the same set of places (Orlando, Vegas, Oahu, Big Island) but have scattered locations elsewhere. They recently acquired Diamond and plan to fold them in in some way but it’s not clear how much that will cost and whether resale owners can participate. Resorts have a quality level comparable to Marriott in most cases, maybe just a small step down in others, and costs are lower both to buy and to own.

Wyndham is focused East of the Mississippi, Kauai, and the Big Island, but also has a healthy set of locations in the western US. Resort quality is more variable, usually reflecting the age of the resort. The better resorts can hold their own most anywhere, but not all of them are like that. They are significantly less expensive to buy on the resale market (think at most a dime on the dollar), and somewhat less expensive to own.

WorldMark is the “sibling” of Wyndham; they are separate systems, but both owned by the same developer. WorldMark focuses West of the Mississippi, but has some resorts in the East and on Hawaii. WorldMark is a little less expensive overall to own than Wyndham, and the resorts are mostly comparable if maybe just a smidge down the quality level. They are still very nice.

I can’t convince myself to consider Bluegreen; their resorts seem to be in less interesting places on average, the units aren’t as well configured or appointed, but they aren’t different enough in price to make up for those things.
Thank you so very much for this overview. Some of these options sounds like they would be good fits for us (nice accomodations in various areas across the US). Going to join TUG now!
 
First step: if you are serious, join the Timeshare User’s Group (tugbbs.com). it’s the disboards of the timeshare universe, and that’s the place to learn.

I think a big source of the negativity lies in the intersection between how timeshare is usually sold and purchased. Some sales agents stretch the truth (or outright lie) but most of them are good at telling a buyer just enough to be factually correct, but in a way that allows the buyer to fill in the gaps in ways that create unrealistic expectations. For their part, the buyer wants to make this purchase. It is an aspirational purchase that both raises the quality of their vacation lodging and represents an investment in family time and togetherness. And that fuels the buyer’s willing participation in filling in those gaps.

But, if you go in with your eyes wide open—and particularly if you are buying resale and saving real money—then those things aren’t really issues. At their core, other timeshares are just like DVC (unsurprising, because DVC is just a timeshare): you buy rights to reserve some lodging on a recurring basis, those rights are use-them-or-lose-them in some form, and you agree to pay your share of the ongoing operating and upkeep costs of that lodging and the reservation system, etc.

As for what to recommend: The first question is where do you want to go? If you have one destination that you want to return to over and over again, it makes sense to buy a fixed or floating week at that destination.

But in your case it sounds like you want to go to a variety of places. In that case, I think a points-based system is probably a better fit. But, points-based systems have different strengths and weaknesses in terms of location. So, I think it still makes sense to narrow down based on who has resorts in places you like, and then if there is more than one candidate to decide based on the quality/price tradeoff you want.

The main players are Marriott, Hilton, Wyndham, and WorldMark. You might also include Bluegreen in that set. Those are in rough order of quality/price, from higher to lower, but very rough.

Marriott has a large number of locations, including some international locations. Resorts are uniformly nice, but their ongoing costs are typically on the high end. It is not cheap to buy in, even resale, because the underlying properties have value and Marriott charges a fee to “wash” resale points. Marriott acquired and is folding in Starwood/Sheraton.

Hilton has a more targeted set of locations: the tend to build over and over in the same set of places (Orlando, Vegas, Oahu, Big Island) but have scattered locations elsewhere. They recently acquired Diamond and plan to fold them in in some way but it’s not clear how much that will cost and whether resale owners can participate. Resorts have a quality level comparable to Marriott in most cases, maybe just a small step down in others, and costs are lower both to buy and to own.

Wyndham is focused East of the Mississippi, Kauai, and the Big Island, but also has a healthy set of locations in the western US. Resort quality is more variable, usually reflecting the age of the resort. The better resorts can hold their own most anywhere, but not all of them are like that. They are significantly less expensive to buy on the resale market (think at most a dime on the dollar), and somewhat less expensive to own.

WorldMark is the “sibling” of Wyndham; they are separate systems, but both owned by the same developer. WorldMark focuses West of the Mississippi, but has some resorts in the East and on Hawaii. WorldMark is a little less expensive overall to own than Wyndham, and the resorts are mostly comparable if maybe just a smidge down the quality level. They are still very nice.

I can’t convince myself to consider Bluegreen; their resorts seem to be in less interesting places on average, the units aren’t as well configured or appointed, but they aren’t different enough in price to make up for those things.

Thank you for this synopsis. I am not actively looking to buy a non-DVC timeshare but have saved your reply for future use.
 
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