I Will Not Buy Max Pass On My Next Visit

[Cubbiecakes]

Hopefully the stand by lines will be shorter due to Maxpass and paper fastpass.

*psst* Stand by lines are longer because of FastPass (and MaxPass).

 

[mummabear]

Nope, not for this family of 5. Our trips are for 5-10 days in the park and I am just not spending that kind of money for something that should be free (like wdw)
Also coming from NZ we have the same data issue

 

[finchy3]

The same here we will be doing 10 days in the park, a family of 4.
There is no way I could justify paying the extra, the tickets themselves are dear enough already.

 

[NorthernCalMom]

*psst* Stand by lines are longer because of FastPass (and MaxPass).

Why? Are you saying that people overall ride more rides than they would be doing without MP and that this affects both lines, FP & stand-by? I agree about FP lines, but why would make the stand-by lines longer? Are you saying you believe that MP will entice more people to come to the parks, & that's why both FP & stand-by lines are affected? Please explain (I'm a bit of a hobby statistitian @ love pondering such things...)!

 

[mom2rtk]

*psst* Stand by lines are longer because of FastPass (and MaxPass).

Why? Are you saying that people overall ride more rides than they would be doing without MP and that this affects both lines, FP & stand-by? I agree about FP lines, but why would make the stand-by lines longer? Are you saying you believe that MP will entice more people to come to the parks, & that's why both FP & stand-by lines are affected? Please explain (I'm a bit of a hobby statistitian @ love pondering such things...)!

Actually FP was only "added" to 2 rides for the MaxPass rollout. So in theory, every other ride is as it was before, just that it has an electronic version now.

What we don't know is how they have messed with the inventory behind the scenes. If they are offering a lot more FPs than before, then yes, it can slow down the standby lines. No indication though if that's really the case.

Digital FP does have the potential to entice more people to ride more things. Anything that is easier to do gets done more. Plus, if someone is paying extra for it, they are more likely to want to get their money's worth. I have no doubt that if we buy MaxPass we'll ride more things than we used to. We usually skipped Toy Story entirely. With MaxPass we'll probably ride it several times. We used to ride RSR once, with MaxPass I have no doubt we'll ride it at least twice.

How many people are now riding BTMRR 2 or 3 times in a row because of the instant return times?

 

[Westcoastwild]

Actually FP was only "added" to 2 rides for the MaxPass rollout. So in theory, every other ride is as it was before, just that it has an electronic version now.

What we don't know is how they have messed with the inventory behind the scenes. If they are offering a lot more FPs than before, then yes, it can slow down the standby lines. No indication though if that's really the case.

Digital FP does have the potential to entice more people to ride more things. Anything that is easier to do gets done more. Plus, if someone is paying extra for it, they are more likely to want to get their money's worth. I have no doubt that if we buy MaxPass we'll ride more things than we used to. We usually skipped Toy Story entirely. With MaxPass we'll probably ride it several times. We used to ride RSR once, with MaxPass I have no doubt we'll ride it at least twice.

How many people are now riding BTMRR 2 or 3 times in a row because of the instant return times?

If they can actually get back to back fast passes. That's never been possible for something like BTMRR. At least not in my experience.

The only time I actually get to ride stuff back to back is either at closing or if it's a good single rider line.

Fps slow the standby line down but I don't actually think they make the line longer. I think a lot of annual pass people just skip longer stand by lines or some rides entirely because they've got a system that works for them and there isn't a pressing need to ride everything every time.

I do think it will increase the number of people pulling fast passes. There are almost no rides I am willing to walk across the park for to get a fast pass. Maybe RSR. That's it. But I would do fast pass on everything if all I've got to do is whip out my phone. And I'm like you on toy story. I don't even bother with standby. But I would ride it now given that fast pass is available.

 

[mom2rtk]

If they can actually get back to back fast passes. That's never been possible for something like BTMRR. At least not in my experience.

When was your last visit? Lots of reports recently of people doing just that.

 

[Westcoastwild]

When was your last visit? Lots of reports recently of people doing just that.

It was before maxpass. I know there are recent reports of that but I don't think it'll last once the system has been fully adopted. When it was just physical pulling, I rarely got multiple fastpasses for the same ride. Will report back if I go next month though. It would be awesome to ride RSR multiple times. The single rider line on that is slow.

I kind of suspect that the immediate return is some kind of glitch- not deliberate on Disney's part- but who knows. Maybe they're just trying to increase fast pass use to see if they can extend it to fantasyland rides and make more money off maxpass doing so. Hope not. But I think more people would pay for maxpass if more rides had fast pass. A lot of the rides that do so at DL aren't for young kids and a lot of them have single rider lines. Fewer single rider lines at wdw. Between single rider and late night, I can probably ride everything without fp at DL- it's not possible at Wdw because standby for everything takes so so long due to fp+

 

[NorthernCalMom]

How many people are now riding BTMRR 2 or 3 times in a row because of the instant return times?

I guess you could be on to something there, then. If a fast pass line is longer, cast members are required to let enough FP holders onto the ride to keep the FP wait appropriate. If that ride has a certain, limited capacity, then the standby line could, proportionally, be moving a bit more slowly. It would only get longer, if the same amount of people would use it, because it's one of their must-do rides and they are holding a FP for something else, wouldn't it?

I guess I was kind of projecting my own experiences & motivations as a relatively impatient person who would simply not ride that ride at all, given those circumstances.

The only time in the parks that I experienced something like the above was when I was literally the first in a standby line for Soaring that had to that point been moving normally (& had, when I got into the line only shown a 30 min wait). One of their projection systems had broken down while I was standing there waiting (for I don't remember how long, but it felt like a very long time) together with my (then) little kids and elderly grandparents. The cast member in front of me continued to wave people from the FP line in for the still working projection room, while not taking anybody at all from the standby line at all for an extended period of time (meaning our standby wait ended up being grotesquely longer than it had been announced on the board, when we got into the line; we could have of course left but thought that at any moment now they must take at least some standby line people and we had already invested all that wait time to get to that point in line).

Not my favorite Disney moment, but I'm not holding it against them but figure it was a combination of equipment trouble/overwhelmed cast member. In the years that we've come (usually at the busiest time in summer), this was the only time something like this happened to us.

I guess one of the things that I'm trying to say is that long lines are probably self-limiting, since most people are flexible enough to simply do something else when the line gets too long (or bite the bullet & get into that monstrous line--but, while in that line, won't be able to ride anything else).

I was actually less thinking about the addition of FP to TSMM & MH or the introduction of MP in this regard but about the instant FP, when I asked above why that would affect the standby line. From what I've seen on the app, those rides' FPs are only instant, when the standby waits aren't too long but the FP return times slowly become later & later when & if the standby line grows. So it seems that the standby wait guides the FP return time choices, while the FP times help manage the length of the standby line.

I love both the ideas of instant FP & of FPs being available during ride breakdowns (though I'm a bit cautious about saying this out loud here on the board, lest I may find myself in tar & feathers on my way home...). We're no locals, so if a ride is down I'm so glad if I can at least get fast passes to ride it later. To me it looks like ways of using a limited resource more efficiently, increasing our touring flexibility and rendering my park ticket, even if I decide to not buy MP, more valuable.

Of course all of the above is just me spitballing, since I don't have access to the actual data. I just love numbers...

 

[mom2rtk]

It was before maxpass. I know there are recent reports of that but I don't think it'll last once the system has been fully adopted. When it was just physical pulling, I rarely got multiple fastpasses for the same ride. Will report back if I go next month though. It would be awesome to ride RSR multiple times. The single rider line on that is slow.

I kind of suspect that the immediate return is some kind of glitch- not deliberate on Disney's part- but who knows. Maybe they're just trying to increase fast pass use to see if they can extend it to fantasyland rides and make more money off maxpass doing so. Hope not. But I think more people would pay for maxpass if more rides had fast pass. A lot of the rides that do so at DL aren't for young kids and a lot of them have single rider lines. Fewer single rider lines at wdw. Between single rider and late night, I can probably ride everything without fp at DL- it's not possible at Wdw because standby for everything takes so so long due to fp+

Oh, I doubt you'll be looping multiple rides on RSR. But we'll be more likely to pull a second FP for later in the day for that one than we used to be.

And I think you're right that it might not last. I think they are doing it right now to entice more people in to using the system, so that perhaps more will buy it.

 

[Westcoastwild]

Oh, I doubt you'll be looping multiple rides on RSR. But we'll be more likely to pull a second FP for later in the day for that one than we used to be.

And I think you're right that it might not last. I think they are doing it right now to entice more people in to using the system, so that perhaps more will buy it.

Yeah, I suspect I won't be looping. I just mean multiple fastpasses. I'm lucky to get one on that, and usually it's for a pretty late return time.

To make money off it, they need repeat visitors to see it as a must have, that's the thing. It's a locals park. People aren't excited about it yet. They need people to get excited about like people get excited about booking Wdw restaurants 6 months out.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out, I think. I suspect that if they bundled it in some kind of package, they'd get more takers. The 10 dollars a person thing turns families off. Someone like me who goes solo, it's more like that's just one less dole whip. No biggie. But someone like me also doesn't care about fp as much because I don't want to ride with anyone. Families I think are the gold mine here but I'm not sure if they're biting.

 

[LoverDisney]

*psst* Stand by lines are longer because of FastPass (and MaxPass).

Once more people know about FP and MP and how it works then hopefully the standby lines will decrease.

 

[SteveMP]

Once more people know about FP and MP and how it works then hopefully the standby lines will decrease.

I think some rides are unaffected by all of this. For example, the Peter Pan line. They can add FP and MP to every other ride except PP, they could hand out free candy at every other ride and the Peter Pan line would probably stilll never be less than 30 minutes.

 

[Westcoastwild]

I think some rides are unaffected by all of this. For example, the Peter Pan line. They can add FP and MP to every other ride except PP, they could hand out free candy at every other ride and the Peter Pan line would probably stilll never be less than 30 minutes.

Yes. But at least I would no longer need to wait an hour. If they added a fp to any fantasyland ride, I would want it to be PP.

 

[becks59]

We don't plan on getting MP for our family of 4. But, we like getting photopass. We will have one person get MP and then just use that for PP only. Then we will all just pull the paper FP when we go next June.

 

[BriannaRuth]

We'll probably buy it for one person and use it as a photopass, then possibly buy it later in the trip for everyone IF it's really busy and we think it's worth it. But I don't intend to buy it for 4 people for 5 days right off the bat.

 

[MychaelP]

I like the idea of the MP because it may help the Disney stock I own, however I think if enough people don't buy it, they may offer it for free in the future. It would really increase the lifespan of the machines and they could still offer perks for those who stay at the resorts by letting them choose a few prior to their trips.

 

[Napoleon Dynamite]

When was your last visit? Lots of reports recently of people doing just that.

Yup, this was the case for us a few weeks ago!! Our first visit to DL, and I kept wondering why people were wasting 30 minutes in line when they could go get an immediate fast pass return time! So nuts! Actually this was the case for SO many rides!

 

[Malcon10t]

Our family is a group of 6 with Premier passes, so yes we will be using it. We usually have 1 person with a day ticket, and yes we will end up paying the $10 for that person.

 

[bumbershoot]

*psst* Stand by lines are longer because of FastPass (and MaxPass).

Once more people know about FP and MP and how it works then hopefully the standby lines will decrease.

The number of people in the likes might decrease bit those people are just in the other line for the ride.

We walked by TSMM the other day and visually, from riding that ride since it opened, the number of people in the line would make it about a 30 minute wait.

It was listed at 80 minutes. Because they have to take the other riders into account.