I sure wish the folks in Rome would get it together

Dan Murphy

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MSNBC news story

While supporting the U.S. bishops’ efforts to stamp out clergy abuse, the Vatican said the policy contained provisions that were “difficult to reconcile” with church law, were difficult to interpret and left open procedural questions that needed to be resolved.......

......Among other things, the U.S. policy requires dioceses to remove priests from church work once a “credible” allegation is made and, in some instances, from the priesthood itself.
The policy essentially rules out the possibility that a priest can be rehabilitated, saying an offender will be relieved of his ministry for “even a single act of sexual abuse of a minor — past, present or future.”.........

......A senior Vatican official had said last month that the Americans would be allowed to go ahead on an experimental basis, despite the misgivings......

.......Most American diocese have already begun implementing the procedures.


I know in the Chicago diocese, and I think most US ones, the church folks have hit hard, using the new American procedure. Hopefully, they will get it together, for everyone's benefit.
 
I agree, Dan.

It appears that the Vatican is MORE interested in "priests' due process" than protecting innocent children from sexual predators.

:( :( :( :(
 
The article quoted the Vatican....was that from The Holy See, the College of Cardinals, or someone else??

I'm so disappointed. Sometimes it is hard to be a Catholic. I will be anxious to see what Bishop Wurl's (from Pittsburgh) comments will be, since he wanted even stronger measures to be adopted.

I will continue to pray for us all.
 
What really frustrates me is that the Vatican doesn't support reporting allegations to the police to let them investigate. The last time I checked child molestation is a criminal act. Personnally, I would feel more comfortable with an allegation being reported to the proper authorities, and let them investigate the validity of the charge. History shows that the Catholic Churches have not done a very good job in policing themselves.

I agree with Deb in IA when she says that it seems the church is more worried about what will happen to the clergy than protecting our children.
 

The VATICAN is truly an EMBARASSMENT to all loyal Catholics who recognize that our FIRST priority should be to protect our children. Priests accused of wrongdoing should indeed be assured due process. Those who have been found to have abused children should be both prosecuted AND defrocked........
 
I can barely talk about it it makes me so sick:(
 
Here is a question from a non-Catholic(Lutheran). I understand the gut reaction is to defrock these priests. My would be also. However, wouldn't it be better to keep them under the control of the Church in some capacity where they don't have contact with children or even parishioners? Something like working in an abbey? I am not sure how the Church works and the differences in Monasteries, Abbeys and the like. If they could be segregated and controled/watched over, wouldn't that be better than letting them loose in society with no one watching over them? Just a thought, I don't really have an answer.
 
Don't get me started on this one. DS is in a parochial school. It's a shame that I've had to tell him that he is never to go any where alone with a priest, or any teacher for that matter, ever. If they try to get him to go, he's to sit down and tell them to call his mother.
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Here is some information form ewtn.com:



Vatican Turns Down US Norms on Sex Abuse

VATICAN, Oct 18, 02 (CWNews.com) -- The Holy See has declined to give its approval to sex-abuse policies endorsed by the US bishops' conference. Instead the Vatican has proposed the creation of a joint commission, made up of Vatican officials and American bishops, to devise canonical guidelines that would be acceptable.
In a letter announcing the Vatican decision, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, the prefect of the Congregation for Bishops, stressed that the Holy See supported the American bishops' efforts to respond to clerical sex abuse. But he said the provisions of the proposed American policy are "difficult to reconcile with the universal law of the Church."
At a Friday press conference in Rome, Bishop Wilton Gregory, the president of the US bishops' conference (USCCB), announced that he had accepted Cardinal Re's invitation to set up a joint commission. Bishop Gregory-- who had met with Pope John Paul II on Thursday to discuss the issue-- told reporters that he hoped new policy guidelines could be designed in time to be presented for approval at the next USCCB meeting in November.
The American bishops, at a June meeting in Dallas, had adopted a series of strict guidelines for dealing with priests who are charged with sexual misconduct. However, because these policies involved changes in the canon law that governs Church affairs, they required the approval-- or "recognitio"-- of the Holy See. With today's decision, the Vatican indicated that the "recognitio" would not be forthcoming until the policies were revised.
Although American bishops had long predicted that the Vatican would approve the Dallas guidelines, and some US prelates engaged in an energetic last-minute effort to sway Rome's decision, Bishop Gregory insisted that he was "not disappointed" by the Vatican decision. He insisted that the discussions between American bishops and Vatican officials had been conducted in a "climate of confidence," with an "absence of conflict."
In his letter, Cardinal Re said that sexual abuse of young people is "particularly abhorrent." He praised the US bishops for their efforts to address the scandal, and said that these efforts "should also help to preserve or restore the trust of the faithful in their pastors."
"Despite these efforts, the application of the policies adopted at the Plenary Assembly in Dallas can be the source of confusion and ambiguity," Cardinal Re continued. He cited conflicts with the established Code of Canon Law, and recommended "further reflection and revision" of the policies.
The joint committee suggested by Cardinal Re would be composed of four bishops selected by the USCCB and four Vatican officials, representing the dicasteries that have been involved in the discussion of the Dallas norms: the Congregations for Bishops, Clergy, and the Doctrine of the Faith, and the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. Bishop Gregory acknowledged, in response to reporters' questions, that it might be difficult to reach agreement on new canonical norms before the USCCB meeting in November. But "I am a man who believes in miracles," he said. He added that he thought a speedy resolution of the issue was essential to rebuild confidence among American Catholics.
 
I have stuck by the INSTITUTION of the Church throughout this debacle. I was so angry when I heard this this morning that I contemplated - for the first time that I can ever recall - what my life might be like without the Church. :(
 
I wonder if they realize that they have become a laughingstock and a joke..or if they even care....
I don't see how anyone can take a word they say seriously, it's obvious these guys don't have a clue.
 
This whole thing smacks of a dog-and-pony show to me intended to delay and divert facing the real issues of this whole mess.

Every study I've seen shows that there are no more pedophiles in the priesthood (% wise) then in any other group of people. . . the horror of this situation is with the bishops and cardinals who were aware of the abuse by certain priests and not only did they do litle or nothing to stop them, they actually covered up their crimes and moved them around helping them continue molesting children. Anyone who molests a child should be punished to the full extent of the law no matter who they are, but my feeling is that they are sick people and that mitigates any outright hatred I feel for them. .

But I pray there is a special low-rent section of hell for mutants like Cardinal Law and others of his ilk who facilitated the abuse by moving the offending priests around and enabling them to claim far more victims then they would have other wise. As far as I'm concerned, they are just as legally guilty as the priests who did the molesting, and morally they are more-so. . .

To me, that is the real scandal, and until men like Law are hauled off in cuffs and forced to stand trial for their behavior, I couldn't care less what Rome or anyone else says about a priest's "standing" in the church after they have been convicted of molestation. .
 
The installation of our new Bishop is on Saturday. Let's hope this one is better than the last three! And what's happened to the last two? You never hear a peep about them.
 
You sure wish someone could get this right. I spent 10 years working for the catholic church, they live in their own little world and do not think the same as you or I.
 














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