I know most of you will know this info but...

[DrTomorrow]

Well, this is an lively discussion, with differing viewpoints, that hasn't degenerated into name-calling; kudos to all [patting self on back ].

One interesting thing occurred to me: this discussion involves positions from other discussions. Do most people buy into DVC at the cheapest possible price point simply to gain access to more expensive resorts? Is SSR rapidly selling out? Is it difficult to sell points at a DVC resort that won't open for 1 or 2 years?

While I'll put up some Pixie Dust Dollars that we won't hear about VCR any earlier than a year from now, only time will tell.

Be well!

 

[tjkraz]

I am HIGHLY confident that if Disney wished to market SSR at the same time as CR, Disney could very easliy find a way to differentiate them enough (in pricing, incentives, dues, points values required to stay, etc) that they could be marketed side by side.

Yeah, but the question is why would they want to do that? Why put themselves in a position of having to discount SSR points, rather than just letting the cost evolve organically?

The thing about this thread (not FamilyGuy's post in particular) that confuses me the most is the idea that DVC/Disney should or will exploit the program to generate as many dollars as possible as quickly as possible. Personally, I have yet to see a compelling argument for creating significant overlap in the sales windows of multiple properties. Yes, there certainly will be SOME overlap as they cannot be expected to pinpoint the date and time of a resort's sell-out. But to haphazardly slap a DVC component on any location that is deemed desirable, without regard to other factors which may impact demand, does not strike me as being the "Disney" way of operating.

 

[timC]

The thing about this thread (not FamilyGuy's post in particular) that confuses me the most is the idea that DVC/Disney should or will exploit the program to generate as many dollars as possible as quickly as possible. Personally, I have yet to see a compelling argument for creating significant overlap in the sales windows of multiple properties. Yes, there certainly will be SOME overlap as they cannot be expected to pinpoint the date and time of a resort's sell-out. But to haphazardly slap a DVC component on any location that is deemed desirable, without regard to other factors which may impact demand, does not strike me as being the "Disney" way of operating.

ITA... In fact I think WDW would have a thing or two to say about DVC expansion on their property. Remember WDW has resorts to fill up too. I'm sure Disney is very careful about overall room capacity at WDW. Again, this is why SSR and a potential "VCR" appear to be good moves. They both (would) replace/rejuvinate aging resort properties, unlike the stalled EP project which would hav been a new massive expansion project.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

Yeah, but the question is why would they want to do that? Why put themselves in a position of having to discount SSR points, rather than just letting the cost evolve organically?

The thing about this thread (not FamilyGuy's post in particular) that confuses me the most is the idea that DVC/Disney should or will exploit the program to generate as many dollars as possible as quickly as possible. Personally, I have yet to see a compelling argument for creating significant overlap in the sales windows of multiple properties. Yes, there certainly will be SOME overlap as they cannot be expected to pinpoint the date and time of a resort's sell-out. But to haphazardly slap a DVC component on any location that is deemed desirable, without regard to other factors which may impact demand, does not strike me as being the "Disney" way of operating.

For the life of me I can not undertand why you keep using certain phrases to refer to this potential project. why would you use the phrase "haphazardly slap"? Dont you think IF they went through with this, it would be well planned out?

After reading posts of how there has always been mutiple DVC resorts for sale at the same time, why would this case be the exception?

If you agree that if this project was to be undertaken and that there will be overlap, then when do you think a good time to do it would be?

The fact is, whenever, if ever, CR is turned into DVC, there will be costs associated with it for construction, marketing and so forth. It makes no difference if those costs occur now, next year, or 50 years from nows(yes I know it makes some difference based on a million diferent equations and what not)

To say they shouldnt have those costs while they have SSr costs, well, who cares really. Obvioulsy DVc is a profitable venture and if they went ahead with it Im sure they would expect to make money. some,I guess, may refer to this as "exploiting the program", some just call it supply and demand

 

[tjkraz]

If it gives you some comfort, then omit the words "haphazardly slap" from my post.

Regardless if your interpretation, I stand by my comments. I'm not going to waste yet more time trying to justify it yet again.

Bottom line: Assuming that Phase 3 of SSR continues as scheduled, I'll be surprised if any new project is announced anytime in the next 12-18 months. If I'm wrong, so be it.

 

[arcruiser]

All this talk about "deep discounts" to sell SSR confuses me to a degree.

They drastically raised the point prices as the other resorts were selling out, reaching new highs when they began pre-selling SSR. The "deeply discounted" points price for the yet unbuilt SSR was higher than points for readily available units just a year or so earlier.

I admit the additional 12 years adds value, I just don't get where anybody really thinks things got discounted.

From JimC in another thread:
Average price per point charged each year by DVC, reflecting price changes during years as appropriate.

DVCI
1991 $48.94
1992 $52.88
1993 $56.75
1994 $59.30
1995 $62.13
1996 $62.75
1997 $62.75
1998 $62.75
1999 $65.00
2000 $66.25
2001 $73.55
2002 $78.25
2003 $84.00
2004 $86.08
2005 $89.00

DVCII (SSR)
2003 $81.05 ($79 pre-opening, then $84 on 11/1/03)
2004 $91.98
2005 $95.00

Minimum contracts were 230 points until 5/93 when they dropped to 190, then dropped again to the current minimum of 150 as of 5/97.

Looks to me like it took roughly 10 years for points to go up in value less than $20 (thru 2000), and only 5 years or so to go up almost another $30 (what? - $10 just in the last 12 months!), mostly thanks to the selling out of Epcot resorts and the higher prices brought on by SSR.

And yes, someday soon we will be DVC'rs.... We were thinking OKW resale due to price and dues, but a few weeks ago we went to DTD every nite, and that seems to be a pattern for us..... sooooo.... SSR ain't ruled out either.

CR ? Hate to say it, but if it costed substantially more, I don't think we'd consider it. We always drive from AR, and OKW or SSR seems to suit us fine.
With the parking at BCV, we were happy there also. With a 2 yr old, driving beats Disney transit right now.