I haven't been here in so long but need some medical help

luvwinnie

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You are all so helpful and I am getting desperate. Long story short...my mom has been in the hosp. for 4 weeks...she had a torn aorta and they caught it JUST in time and it's a miracle she survived the surgery. Then she had surgery for a collapsed lung. She was given morphine pump for pain. Because she is on dialysis the morphine got too concentrated and it was like having an overdose. When I went to see her Wed. I thought she had a stroke. She wouldn't respond to most questions and thought she was in a different hospital. I got the nurse who called a dr and they did tests and determined it was the morphine. Her respiration was also decreased so they gave her some treatments and gave her something to counteract the morphine, which helped her breathing but not her mental state.
Today is Sunday. Dr's have pretty much brushed us off...she is much better but still she just stares at you after some questions (simple ones) and will say something that makes no sense. Last dr said she might be confused from being in the hosp.so long. Uh, NO!!! She was FINE Tues. night and now this...I have a call in to her primary dr. He's been away so I want to fill him in and GET HELP!!
 
This may sound harsh, but it may be possible you Mother had a stroke during one of her surgeries. You don't say how old she is, but we did experience this with my Grandmother. I gather it is not uncommon in elderly people.
 
Thank you. That was my first thought, but they assured us it was the morphine. I will be pressing hard today...it's gone on too long.
 
The other thing to look into is depression. It is not uncommon for people undergoing major surgery to go into major depression (ie. my life is over, I am going to die etc..) She seems to have a lot of medical conditons and drug interactions could also be a reason.
 

One time my grandmother was completely disoriented when I went to see her in the hospital. The staff blew me off because she was 88 years old, but I pushed it and said she had never been anything but lucid and sharp. They had been giving her morphine and steroids, and the combination put her out of her mind. I insisted that they stop the morphine and give her something milder. She improved in a couple of days. They told me it could have been the combo of the morphine and prednisone (which my grandmother was sensitive to, anyway). I hope you get to the bottom of this. Good luck.
 
It could be the morphine. An elderly relative was on morphine for a short while and it took her quite a long time to shake off the effects to her memory and thinking processes. Good Luck.

Linda
 
I being a nurse who works with older population. from what your saying it sounds to me like it's just a case of Morphine overdose and morphine is still working it's way out. This is based on my personal experience with morphine.
 
Your mom has several issues here, any one of which could be causing a transient confusion, like she is experiencing.

1. Aortic dissection-one of the most serious of medical conditions, one that many people don't survive. The aorta is the largest blood vessel in the body, when it gets a tear, the blood loss is generally enormous and quick. That type of blood loss can cause hypoxia(decreased oxygen)and one of the places that hypoxia affects with the most consequence is the brain, hence the confusion or vagueness that she is experiencing.

2. Poor kidney function-you indicated that your mom is on dialysis. Is this new since this hospitaliztion or was she a dialysis patient before this latest episode? The kidneys' function is to filter the bloodstream of impurities, and metabolize them into urine, which we then excrete. A dialysis patient's kidneys do not have that ability, hence the need for dialysis. While dialysis is a wonderful,life-saving treatment for many people, it does not exactly mimic kidney function, therefore the possibility that the Morphine has built up in her system is great, and it may take quite some time for her body to process it and then the dialysis to remove it. Also, between dialysis treatments waste products that the body produces also build up in the bloodstream, which can affect mental status as well. How long ago was the Morphine stopped? You say she was fine Tuesday....was it stopped after Tuesday? If so, then 5 days or less is probably not enough time for the drug to have been entirely excreted from her system, given all the variables.

3. Anesthesia from 2 major surgeries-anesthesia basically slows down all the processes in the body, including brain function, kidney function , liver function. Combine the slowing down from anesthesia with the poor kidney function to begin with, and it increases the possibility that the Morphine is just taking a long time to clear out of her system. For that matter, the anesthesia may also be taking a long time to clear out of her system, for the same reason...poor kidney function. If she has a collapsed lung, then her respiratory status is also impaired. We do excrete a certain small amount of "waste product" through our respiratory system, so again, if the respiratory system isn't functioning at 100%, then waste excretion isn't going to be 100%.

4. Prolonged hospitalization- your mother was fine Tuesday, but I have cared for patients who have done the same thing...been fine one day and beome confused the next. It is common during a prolonged hospitalziation for some older folks to develop what's informally called "hospitalitis". Think of it...you take someone out of their environment, whack them with 2 major surgeries, a ton of medications,dialysis,unfamiliar people, and the myriad of other things that being in a hospital entails, and it's no wonder they get confused at times.

I guess what I am trying to say is that based on the information you have shared, your mom's mental state being impaired is not highly unusual, and may just be a case of letting time take its course, as her body slowly returns to its normal. Her primary care doctor may want to consider ordering a CT Scan or MRI of the brain, to rule out a stroke or a cerebral(brain)bleed, especially since she has several reasons why she 'could have' had one or the other. But you may find that there has been no one factor that is causing this mental status change...it may be a combination of factors.

I hope I have been helpful. If you have any questions, or there is anything I can help you with, please feel free to PM me.

Good luck. I will keep you and your family, and especially your mother, in my prayers.
 
I emphathize with you about your Mom's health situation. From the way you described things, she is lucky to have survived the surgery. With the other complications of her medical status going into the emergency surgery, it is not surprising that she has the mental status that she has. As Disney Doll outlined, she probably has "hospitalitis" given the multiple treatments that were necessary to save her live.

You said, "I have a call in to her primary dr. He's been away so I want to fill him in and GET HELP!! ". Please forgive me if I have misread the underlying thoughts in that statement but it appears that you think that she is not getting sufficient care in the hospital. She probably is getting the best care that she can be given by the hospital staff. Even though your primary care physician is not there, the hospital staff is doing the best they can to help your mom. Trust them to do their job. She is getting help but she is a very very sick person. She may or may not be having the effects of morphine acting on her mental state.

Even though people on the DIS boards can offer emotional help to you, there is no way that anyone who is not part of her care plan onsite at that instiution can diagnose or help you with her care. That is the responsibility of the hospital staff on duty. I would trust them to do the best job that they can with her care.

We all hope that you will find the emotional help that you can to help her. I, like others who have written here, have lots and lots of experience with hospital care of patients. Family members can help by trusting the staff that is caring for her. Good luck to both her and you.
 
.Just wanted to add that the above three posters took the words right out of my mouth. Having worked in an ICU for a very long time, transient confusion is the least of the hurdles your mom is facing, and a very, very common occurance given what your mom has been through and the state of her health. I feel for you and what you are going through. It is very hard for us to see our loved ones in this state. We want them better RIGHT NOW!, and it just doesn't happen that way. Continue to ask questions of the medical staff so that you are informed, and don't take no for an answer. Insist that all involved speak to you whether it be your mom's surgeon, primary phsician, physical therapist etc. Fear comes from the unknown, and the more informed you are the better you will be able to help your mom, and yourself
 
Originally posted by luvwinnie
Thank you. That was my first thought, but they assured us it was the morphine. I will be pressing hard today...it's gone on too long.

HAS it gone on too long? Is that your professional medical opinion? From the actions of her doctors and the responses on here from people who have dealt with such things, it sounds like they're not overly concerned because this can take a long time to be resolved, they're doing all they know to do, and they're waiting for a response.
 
Thank you all so much. Last night my sister had trouble waking my mother up so she talked to the nurse who said "It might be the Benadryl"...but she checked the chart and she wasn't given Benadryl. She called dr. who ordered tests and it showed her carbon dioxide level was too high. They put her on a special breathing apparatus and told us if this didn't help she would have to go back to ICU and on a ventilator. Thank God her level has come down, but she is still getting the treatment to bring it down further.
 
No medical advice, Michele. Just want to say hi because it's been so long since I've "seen" you.
 
Michele, you must be worried sick about all this, and who wouldn't be. I'll say a prayer for your mom and family.
From what I've read here, it sounds like your mom has got a lot to deal with and it's going to take some time for her to recover. My advice is to keep on top of things, but trust the medical staff is doing the best they can.
Try to be patient, and don't forget to take care of yourself. {{{hugs}}}
 
Hopefully your regular Dr. will be able to get things a bit more organized and get you some answers. best of luck to you and your family.
 


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