I have to ask...how do all these people afford...

Well, all of this has probably been said before, but here I go.

Each family CHOOSES to spend their money. Some choose to go to WDW several times a year and use credit cards to fund it, save nothing for kids education, save nothing for retirement, etc. Some choose to scrimp on lots of things and make vacation a priority. Just because someone goes several times a year doesn't mean that YOU would think they can AFFORD it. Your saving goals and spending habits may be very different from yours.

Also, some people make a lot of money. We have always been a thrify family. I've been a SAHM for 12 years and we had many, many years of no vacations. We are lucky that DHs salary has grown, and grown, and grown over the years and now that we have a good chunk of $ saved for college and retirement we finally have some extra. We still make choices on how to spend it. I have friends that get their hair/nails done every week, drink StarBucks every day, buy designer purses, etc. We don't do those things, but we do go on a couple of nice vacations a year and we have lots of money saved for the future of our family. We have always purchased houses that cost way less than the bank tells us we can afford.

Katy
 
I have to ask!!

I keep seeing posts on these various boards about people making their 3rd and 4th trips THIS YEAR to DW. How in the world can they afford to do that? I know what our six night trip cost and I know we saved up for quite awhile for it (ok, YEARS!!).

So what's the secret? How do they do it?


Lily

We bought annual passes one year and went five or six times within the year. We use timeshares for lodging, so that works out to $100 a night or less. We cook a lot, so don't spend too much more than we would at home for food. Once we'd bought the passes, there was not a lot of expense involved.

Have to admit DH was SICK of Disney World after that year though. I really like having the passes because it makes me feel better about just going to the parks for a short period of time. I won't do that with day passes. Maybe someday we'll buy another set of them.

Sheila
 
We live in FL about 1.5 hours away and have AP's. We are DVC members and can also get FL resident discounts on accomodations. We go several times a year, but only for the reasons listed above. When we lived elsewhere, we'd go once every 3-4 years.
 

I am sure that fakeredhead said that tongue in cheek. So let's not make more out if it than it is.

Let's move on from that.

Thanks.
 
Sometimes you just need to say "scr** it" and just do what makes you happy and worry about the bills later. And the joy I will get from seeing my kids faces will be very healing to my heart.


:hug: I agree.
 
Like many others, we own DVC. My dh also travels a LOT, so he has the "companion pass" with SWA...basically, when he flies he gets to take someone with him for free. His designated "free" person is our dd. Then, he has enough free tickets (that we guard CAREFULLY) that we can use (with the companion pass, we only have to use two free tickets for the 3 of us) to get us to WDW for free about 3 times a year.

We also get the AP (DVC members get a discount on this), and then use the AP to get the Dining Discount Card. We (like many others posted) buy AP's once every other year. We plan 3-4 trips in that one year, and then we take time off (and my dd has serious withdrawals).

It makes WDW a very affordable place. This year, we are staying at Beach Club Villas in Feb and March, and Boardwalk Villas in June. Then, we will be done until next Dec/Jan/Feb timeframe (I am not sure which). That will give us 4 trips out of one AP, and then we will probably be done for awhile...unless we all miss it too much.
 
We dont make alot, we have Dd in priv. school to pay for. (Our choice I know) But we are bound and determined to get away 1 week a year! (We pay cash for it, no credit cards.) For us right now its Disney, we do a week there for less than alot of other vacation options by us. Last trip in October was $1928 for 8 nights park hopper and dining plan at Pop. Then we fly Airtran outa Midway at $59 each way pp. We have to drive 2 hours to get to midway but it saves me ALOT!!!! I do mypoints and sunshine rewards for extra spending money. We could do it for less without the dining plan if we needed to in future years, but Dh enjoys the food since we dont eat out at home but 2x a year. (DD birthday and our anniversary.)

So we work over time, take on extra side work from time to time. We drive old cars that are dependable, just upgraded from a 1989 plymouth acclaim last month. It didnt look pretty but it ran great and I didnt have to worry about getting hit by a deer or someone in the snow. We dont have all the toys like our friends but I also dont have the payments for them. Everyone has $XXX its what they chose to spend it on. I love Disney and shop, shop and search for the best way/deal to do the trip.
 
We save our money, pay off our Disney Visa every month, and we don't have kids. That's how we manage to go.
 
Since our son was born in 2004, we have gone to Disney (WDW or DL) twice a year. Our fall trip also includes a 4 night Disney Cruise. For us, our vacation is a priority and right now, Disney is where we want to spend our vacation time.

I am a SAHM (with one child and one on the way) and as far as our monthly expenses, we have a very manageable mortgage payment, (what we are comfortable with- not what we could qualify for) and our cars are paid off. We live very comfortably without debt other than our mortgage. In the beginning of our marriage (12 years), our priority was our financial situation and we made plans then that would allow me to SAH while keeping our standard of living.

We include our vacation as part of our monthly budget. We are DVC owners and have annual passes to WDW. Airfare is probably our biggest expense- but we keep our eye out for sales. I was able to earn Disney Gift Cards through Sunshine Rewards (see the Rewards forum) which paid for about 90% of our food and souviniers for a recent 8 day trip which was awesome!

As others have said, it comes down to your financial situation, your priorities and your desires! It is also going to depend on how you vacation- what type of accomodations you prefer, how much you spend on food and souviniers and what type of transportation you take! We don't go "all out" but we don't scrimp either- we have a comfortable middle ground.
 
I realize I'm in a unique situation but this is how we do it:

I "work" doing direct sales and one of the perks is that, based on a number of things, they give out prizes, one choice being vacation dollars, which is what I always choose. This year, it looks like I'll have earned about $5000-$6000 in vacation dollars by the end of the year.

We're able to do a lot with that amount, since I can find deals ultracheap, I don't need to do the deluxe resorts, etc. We're more than likely taking a cruise in the summer (NOT DCL, way too much for me on that one) and we haven't figured out the rest just yet.

There are ways to pay for vacations - it just depends on your situation and what goes on in your life. I also got a Southwest Visa card and a Disney Visa card - both rewards help to pay for the trips I want, and I keep them at a zero balance by paying off what I charge immediately.
 
We work hard! I could afford to be a stay at home wife but then all the fun in my life would have to be scaled back.

We have done Disney more than 40 times since 1996. Leaving Saturday for the Yacht Club.

For us, it is all about making vacations a priority in life.
 
1. I'd guess that many people on the boards have six figure incomes.
2. Vacations are a priority for many people.

My clothes come from Target and I'd never own a designer purse. My furniture is from Ikea and my car will be driven until the wheels fall off. I have one kid rather than several so I have just one education to fund.

I've taken 4 trips to WDW this year and haven't charged any of them.
 
I've taken 4 trips to WDW this year and haven't charged any of them.

This December is my 3rd this year and I haven't charged anything. Not to be too obvious, but you have to learn to budget. Also helps to have no credit card debt.
 
While DVC saves us many $s, we're able to travel more "on a dime" due to my travel planning hobby/obsession:rolleyes1

the deals are out there, just have to dig around and be willing to travel off-season.

big help is running purchases each month thru an airline-related CC; of course it's a bit of a challenge to actually redeem the vouchers.:headache:

my friends/family ask how can we afford it:confused3 ; as many others have stated; we cut back on other disposable spending (new cars, dinner out every week, expensive gifts to each other, etc.)

the good thing is our souvie budget has dropped dramatically:thumbsup2

we justify the expense as our "pre-retirement" travel while we're still young enough to enjoy it.
 
We own DVC which helps us out a ton!!!!!!!!!! Now we are annual passholders tooo...
 
I know we would go a lot more if it weren't for the cost of airplane tickets. We are DVC members so accommodations are taken care of. I wouldn't mind buying AP's if we could go more than 1 week a year so that would save on admission. That only leaves food and with DVC accommodations we usually get in breakfast food and snack food.

I really wish it didn't cost a small fortune to fly to Orlando from NJ.
 
DVCer here (and Annual Pass holder), and first-time Budget-Board posting...

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In short, we seriously budget for our multiple trips per year. Honestly, DVC membership has been in the back of our heads for a really long time, and we adjusted our budgeting to be able to afford it over a number of years.

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Long story...
I have known about DVC since Old Key West opened way back in 1990. I remember looking at the ad in a Reader's Digest and thinking "Ya know, that would be really great to able to do someday". At the time, we were "just married", she had just graduated and I was still a student (with a part-time job) and a few more years until I graduated. We were living in a decent apartment, just starting out - anything more than an occasional $8 pizza or a $12 CD was a big deal for us. No chance of DVC membership happening then, by any stretch of the imagination.

Both of us are professionals, but not of the usual big-money persuasion (my wife is an accountant, I'm an architect - it's not like we're high-powered attorneys or doctors). My wife now has an MBA (she got it in 2005), and I just have a Bachelor's degree. We have been fortunate in our careers, but not overly so. By that I mean neither of us has ever been laid off or fired, promotions have happened, etc. We budget, just like every other family out there. We do live in a traditionally depressed part of the country, so our annual earnings is about 3x the average family earnings for our county. Our house, which we bought in 2000, is almost exactly average for housing costs for our county - so we have a very comfortable mortgage compared to our income. If we were living in a higher-cost part of the country like out west or New England, things would be different for us, I think. We don't buy cars very often or run up high credit card debt (though we do have a bit at times), and neither of us have habits that cost a lot from our disposable income (books are literally our biggest 'vice' dollar-wise, followed by her scrapbooking addiction and my Lego habit). In other words, we don't blow our cash on booze, cigs, or lottery tix. We eat out maybe 2 or 3 times a week as a family - my wife eats out at lunch most days, while I work through lunch and eat something from here. My parents aren't well-off (in fact they're starting to have problems with transitioning from working-to-retiring financially), hers are respectively a lot more well-off financially (but not 'rich' by any means) - both sets are middle class - no fancy trusts or parental gifts/loans for us.

Over the years since, we had kinda talked about Disney / DVC, usually around the time we would have a windfall of cash come in (like a raise or promotion) but nothing serious ever came of it. Then, our kids started to be of an age where they could really enjoy Disney.

We did our first "modern-era" trip to WDW in Oct. 2001 (our son was 7, our daughter was 2). It was just after 9/11 and we considered postponing it, but we didn't. It was a short trip - 3 or 4 days if I remember, and we stayed at All-Stars Movies. We couldn't see everything we wanted to see that trip, and found ourselves silently planning "the next trip" in our heads. A couple months later, we were remembering the fun trip and she mentioned that she really wanted to go back soon. I did too, and over the course of a few weeks we had a pretty good itinerary planned out for June 2002, planning to stay at POP.

And then she mentioned DVC. We remembered how we had looked into it and half-remembered the 1990 prices to be astronomical (to us back then on a single salary/student working part-time through school). But anyway we seriously looked at it again, contacted a DVC rep, and got some figures for the amount of points we'd been considering. We basically wanted to have the freedom to be able to take 2 weeks' each year (10-12 days) with a few points left over each year. I was still on the fence - the amount of money we were talking about was the equivalent of an inexpensive new car, but we could swing it. She was sold on it right away once we figured out how it wouldn't be such a big stretch for us. I was just concerned that we'd (I'd) eventually get bored of Disney, and then get screwed out of a lot of money if we tried to sell out years down the road (timeshares as a general rule-of-thumb are usually not great investments). The alternate destinations offerings - not sure what they're called in DVC-Speak - helped me out (basically, DVC has agreements with resorts and hotels around the world that you can use DVC points there), just in case I'll turn into a no-Disney geezer in my old age.

So for our June 2002 trip we thought we'd spring for a Wilderness Lodge stay at a bit longer duration - I think we stayed 5 days. I had just started a new job the month before with a good salary improvement over my previous job. Wilderness Lodge approaches DVC quality for size of studio, so that I could get a good idea of what it'd be like before I ponied up the dough. Also, we walked around the Villas at Wilderness Lodge and talked to CMs, swam in the VWL pool (I prefer quieter pools over the mega-ginormous pools most of the time). I was fine with the idea of DVC after that trip.

Now, how to actually make it happen?

Well, we have a general rule that every other year (or so), one of us has the option of a new car, finances allowing, and we each take turns in that arrangement. Now, remember that neither of us are "Loaded-with-every-option-BMW" type of people, so these really are basic cars. We can 'afford' more, but that's really not what we want to do / or how we want to live. Since 2003 was my wife's year to trade up for a new car - she chose to postpone it a year so that we could do DVC. And that's basically how we did it. We bought points in Beach Club Villas in March 2003. Our choices at the time were a few of the very last units at VWL, BCV, and BWV - Beach Club was my preference since it's so close to Epcot World Showcase (my favorite park), and we much preferred Beach Club over Boardwalk. We do have a DVC financial plan, which will be paid off in the next couple of years.

In 2004 I co-founded an architectural firm with one other partner (he's the majority partner, I'm a junior partner). We have had an additional majority partner join the firm since, and we also have started a development company to build houses - the plan for that company is to eventually branch out into commercial development. Since they're both start-up companies, most of each partner's spare income is invested back into the companies, and the vast majority of my own current debt is tied to loans that each partner has personally guaranteed as part of our businesses. But that will change for the better, with time. I also consider that to be a big portion of my kids' education funding, and our retirement potential (but I'm one of those people who like what they do and will work until I'm 80 if my health allows it).

Also in 2004, we realized we had taken many, many WDW trips in the past 3 years, with many more planned in the immediate future. And so we started looking into getting Annual Passes. We figured that we'd break-even at 6 or 7 days in park each year vs. Park Hoppers. Plus, both APs and DVC allows major discounts at in-park restaurants, shops, and Downtown Disney.

Earlier this year, we were able to buy a small add-on point package for Animal Kingdom Villas to our DVC. My wife has been doing a couple of part-time jobs on the side, and her earnings from those (along with me postponing my 2005 car trade-up for a couple of years to be able to start our company in 2004) allowed us to be able to do that. The AKV add-on package was bought and paid-for, no long-term financing required.

So now, instead of budgeting for 2 or 3 smaller separate WDW trips, we budget for the monthly DVC payments, the DVC annual dues (comes in January), and AP renewal (comes in September). At first it was a big pain when we were making the budget transitions, but now it's smooth. If we think we'll have a year or two when we'll be unable to make enough WDW trips to make it worth our APs, we just won't renew them. Also, DVC has proven to be one of the very few timeshare packages to actually increase in value over time, which is a pleasant feeling. Disney does put a lot of resources into DVC, but it has proven to be worth it to them, otherwise I don't see why they would have continued it for almost 20 years. It's continuing to grow and gets better each year, in my opinion.

The last time I ran the numbers (in late August 2007), it costs us (a family of 4) just under $200 per day to do Disney. That assumes we spend 12 days at WDW each year - if it's only 10 days, it's slightly higher (about $205 per day). It includes the cost of DVC financing (pro-rated/amortized over 30+ years, which is the length of our DVC contracts (30-year for BCV, 40-year for AKV) and the estimated annual dues, travel costs, DDP, AP renewal, and our usual spending money. I finally got "my" next car in August 2007, a 2007 Dodge Grand Caravan, and luckily we were able to swing it so that I was able to retain my previous car (a 2001 Pontiac Trans Am). Honestly, the Grand Caravan will be mostly used for very occasional local mule-work, and our WDW trips, to the tune of about 8-9K miles per year. It really does sit in the driveway 6 days out of the week, usually. Our daily driver is a 2004 Subaru Legacy wagon, and we carpool almost everyday since her office and mine are within 4 blocks of each other. Since the new van is used basically as our primary WDW transportation - I also ran our vacation numbers with its costs included (yeah, I'm a numbers geek). With it included (pro-rated payments and cost-of-ownership stuff like insurance costs and assumed wear-&-tear), along with trip gas purchases, it knocks our WDW vacation per-day costs to about $250 for 12 days at WDW each year ($265 per-day for 10 days per year). As we get older (meaning more solo "adults-only" trips in smaller suites than we do now), and the DVC contract is paid for, that will be much less per day for us each passing year (which I assume also will be offset by higher & higher annual maintenance fees as the buildings get older). An honest, non-Disney vacation costs assessment would probably be around $150-$200 per day for us, by the way.

This last year, we were very fortunate to swing four separate trips. We did an Adults-Only trip in March for 7 days with DVCer friends (stayed at OKW in separate suites, and our friends are husband & wife, no kids), an entire-family trip in June for 3 days at WDW (stayed off-site in separate suites) / 5 days (in separate suites) at DVC's Vero Beach with same DVCer friends, a 5 day solo family trip in August (stayed at OKW again), and a 7 day extended family trip in October (w/ my in-laws & one of my son's friends tagged along in a 2-bedroom suite).

So we were in WDW an awesome 22 days in 2007, and it would be 27 days if you count our Vero Beach stay (which I would). Since we had so many extra people along for a bunch of those days, and we also shared points with our DVC friends for the two trips we took (we borrowed some points from them for our co-March trip, and they borrowed a few points from us for our co-June trip), it would hurt my head too much to figure out those costs. My W.A.G. (Wild A$$ Guess) for per-day costs would be somewhere around $150 per-day for our 2007 trips, though - maybe a bit lower, maybe a bit higher.

Hope that helps put some light on multiple-trips-per-year-people, as an example of our experience.
 
Before we moved to the next town over from WDW, I worked a p/t job and had my paycheck direct deposited--that was vacation money. It amounted to a decent sum each year--about $5000. That allowed us to take one trip on our DVC points, and a second staying at a deluxe, usually CL because we'd go off-season and I'd use some sort of discount. We had AP's, so it made making multiple trips a year cost effective as far as admission media went.

We also didn't need an extra suitcase to bring home our purchases with each trip. If we saw something we liked we might buy it, but we didn't buy bags and bags of souveniers each trip.

It also helped that both DH and I have good jobs, we only have one child, we drive inexpensive cars, have no student loans or credit card debt, and generally live well below our means.
 














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