I hate having neighbors

[SaraJayne]

. Sure, Sam, you are offering "hypotheticals", while others are offering "assumptions". Okay, you are right that is TOTALLY different.

 

[SaraJayne]

The OP skipped something in her narrative. The incident happened, then the OP went on a cruise and a trip to WDW, and when she got back the neighbor presented the bill. The OP doesn't know how many times the neighbor tried to contact her while she was gone. And I don't think the neighbor was obligated to wait around with her property damaged for the OP to return. I agree with the previous poster who said OP is lucky the police weren't called. If my neighbor shot at my windows and then skipped town I'd file a police report.

Ahhhh, well that certainly puts a different spin on her story, doesn't it?

 

[nathalee81]

Let me make sure I understand... do these two statements mean the same thing:

1) It's possible the kids didn't know they hit the windows.
2) The kids didn't know they hit the windows.

If you think they mean the same thing, I apologize for any offense I caused.

I'm sorry, to me, they are different. #1 is presented as a possibility, #2 is presented as a fact.

1) It's possible you know you are making just as many assumptions as everyone else and don't want to admit by spinning words around like "hypothetical".

2) You know you are making just as many assumptions as everyone else and just don't want to admit me by spinning words around like "hypothetical".

Hmmmm, are these different? I can't quite tell....

 

[luvsJack]

Since having a child I am infinitely more patient about kids and their behavior, in general.

I realize you can't control everything your kids do...and, I can absolutely guarantee, my kid is going to screw up. She is going to break someone's window, she is going to dent someone's car or she is going to break a toy in the store. Heck, she could very well do all three. All I can hope for, is that she won't do anything that will involve felony charges (and seeing as she is only four months right now, I figure I can hold out that hope for a few more years). I will never expect my kid to perfect, as it is impossible goal.

However, it is MY responsibility as her parent, to teach her that, while "things" happen-you must take responsibility for your actions and, hopefully, learn from them.

If my child breaks my neighbors window with a BB gun, I will tell her she needs to apologize, take responsibility for it and pay for it. It would not, however, occur to me to get on a discussion board and vent about my horrible neighbors and how awful they are because MY kid screwed up. More than likely, I will get on a discussion board and say "do you know what the h--- my kid did, and now I have to pay out 450!@@##$$%$%$ dollars"

I would do the same but my point is that we don't know what the OP did.

Her vent was about the way the neighbor handled it. Maybe she was able to handle her kids and what they did in a way that she didn't feel the need to vent.

. Sure, Sam, you are offering "hypotheticals", while others are offering "assumptions". Okay, you are right that is TOTALLY different.

Posters commented "if my kids were that out of control" and suggesting what she should do to her kids as though they knew for a fact that nothing had been done.

Sam presented alternate possiblities and said IF. . . Makes a big difference.

 

[nathalee81]

Let me make sure I understand... do these two statements mean the same thing:

1) It's possible the kids didn't know they hit the windows.
2) The kids didn't know they hit the windows.

If you think they mean the same thing, I apologize for any offense I caused.

I'm sorry, to me, they are different. #1 is presented as a possibility, #2 is presented as a fact.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Main Entry:
hypothetical  [hahy-puh-thet-i-kuhl]
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: guessed, assumed

 

[nathalee81]

I would do the same but my point is that we don't know what the OP did.

Her vent was about the way the neighbor handled it. Maybe she was able to handle her kids and what they did in a way that she didn't feel the need to vent.



Posters commented "if my kids were that out of control" and suggesting what she should do to her kids as though they knew for a fact that nothing had been done.

Sam presented alternate possiblities and said IF. . . Makes a big difference.

And my point is, most of the people on here, would have never thought to vent about the neighbor...who didn't call the police, didn't take her to court and actually (despite the fact she didn't get THREE quotes) handled the whole situation very well and got a good deal on the windows. Why hate on the neighbors when they didn't DO anything, but fail to get the three quotes? I mean, what did the neighbor do to make her "hate" her neighbors?

Yes, that if really makes all the difference in the world. Except in the dictionary. See my other post with the correct definition for "hypothetical".

 

[Topper]

I would do the same but my point is that we don't know what the OP did.

Her vent was about the way the neighbor handled it. Maybe she was able to handle her kids and what they did in a way that she didn't feel the need to vent.



Posters commented "if my kids were that out of control" and suggesting what she should do to her kids as though they knew for a fact that nothing had been done.

Sam presented alternate possiblities and said IF. . . Makes a big difference.

But Sam tried to make the distinction that "assumptions" and "hypotheticals" are totally different concepts. Now he is trying to use the "fact" card to confuse the issue.

as·sump·tion
   [uh-suhmp-shuhn]
noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory.

 

[sam_gordon]

1) It's possible you know you are making just as many assumptions as everyone else and don't want to admit by spinning words around like "hypothetical".

2) You know you are making just as many assumptions as everyone else and just don't want to admit me by spinning words around like "hypothetical".

Hmmmm, are these different? I can't quite tell....

If you can't tell, you might want to ask your English teacher for some help.

 

[nathalee81]

If you can't tell, you might want to ask your English teacher for some help.

Or, maybe you should. See my post with dictionary explanation..... Hey, isn't there an English teacher on the community board? Could we give her a shout out and see what she says?

Oh, and I thought of something else, can we "hypothesize" that the neighbor POSSIBLY did get three estimates? And, just didn't show the OP? Can we assume that might be a hypothetical?

 

[sam_gordon]

But Sam tried to make the distinction that "assumptions" and "hypotheticals" are totally different concepts. Now he is trying to use the "fact" card to confuse the issue.

as·sump·tion
   [uh-suhmp-shuhn]
noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory.

I'm sorry, I still see a difference between an assumption and a hypothetical.

1) It's possible 'Poster X' never taught their children "right" from "wrong". (Hypothesis).
2) 'Poster X' never taught their children "right" from "wrong". (Assumption)

To me, the person making statement #1 admits they could be wrong. The person making statement #2 must be right.

Maybe I'm seeing a difference that isn't there.

 

[sam_gordon]

Or, maybe you should. See my post with dictionary explanation..... Hey, isn't there an English teacher on the community board? Could we give her a shout out and see what she says?

No problem. I don't know who she (he?) is, but if you want to bring them in, go ahead.

Oh, and I thought of something else, can we "hypothesize" that the neighbor POSSIBLY did get three estimates? And, just didn't show the OP? Can we assume that might be a hypothetical?

Yup. The neighbor COULD have gotten three estimates and the $450 was the cheapest. I asked the OP back on page 2 or 3 I think how the estimates she got compared to the neighbors final bill. Although I'm ASSUMING the OP isn't coming back to the thread.

 

[nathalee81]

No problem. I don't know who she (he?) is, but if you want to bring them in, go ahead.


Yup. The neighbor COULD have gotten three estimates and the $450 was the cheapest. I asked the OP back on page 2 or 3 I think how the estimates she got compared to the neighbors final bill. Although I'm ASSUMING the OP isn't coming back to the thread.

And, that Sam, is one thing we can both agree on...

I think English teacher is a she. I don't know, I have seen her on other threads. Englishteach or something? Anyone?

 

[luvsJack]

And my point is, most of the people on here, would have never thought to vent about the neighbor...who didn't call the police, didn't take her to court and actually (despite the fact she didn't get THREE quotes) handled the whole situation very well and got a good deal on the windows. Why hate on the neighbors when they didn't DO anything, but fail to get the three quotes? I mean, what did the neighbor do to make her "hate" her neighbors?

Yes, that if really makes all the difference in the world. Except in the dictionary. See my other post with the correct definition for "hypothetical".

So because she did vent about the neighbor, you can automactically assume that she did not discipline her kids?

She didn't say she hated her neighbors, she said she hated HAVING neighbors. I hate having neighbors too sometimes and I can't even see mine!! Late night football parties this time of year with all the hooping and hollaring on the deck, late night night pool parties during the summer with the kids yelling--UGH! And that's my niece and her family! The guy on the other side has two little dogs that get in the middle of my driveway and DARE me to run over them. They stand there and squat down and bark at me.

 

[Topper]

I'm sorry, I still see a difference between an assumption and a hypothetical.

1) It's possible 'Poster X' never taught their children "right" from "wrong". (Hypothesis).
2) 'Poster X' never taught their children "right" from "wrong". (Assumption)

To me, the person making statement #1 admits they could be wrong. The person making statement #2 must be right.

Maybe I'm seeing a difference that isn't there.

Example:

1) Based on what the OP wrote, I can make the assumption that she never taught her children "right" from "wrong".

2) Based on what the OP wrote, I can make the hypothesis that she never taught her children "right" from "wrong".

You can find fault with either statement due to "facts not in evidence", but the bottom line is that both examples mean the same thing.

 

[Ceila]

So, I'm going to go back to the facts as the OP presented them, instead of arguing semantics. My comments are in red.

My neighbor behind me came over about 6 wks ago saying one of my kids hit her back windows with bb's. She could never tell me which boy she saw but I figured it probably was one of mine since it obviously came from our back yard so I told her I would pay to have them fixed. About 4 wks ago I started leaving notes in her mailbox since she's never home that I need her name, phone # & address so the window company can come over to measure her windows.

So, you state that you planned to choose the company that would replace the windows. You wanted to get the neighbor's name and phone number (can't figure out why you would need her address, couldn't you figure that out?) so you could send a company to measure the windows. Sorry, OP, but there is no way that you should be the one to decide who repairs the windows. Your kids were at fault, so the owner should select the repair company.

No response. Last night she comes over & gives me a bill for $450 for the windows. I asked her where the other estimates were, didn't get any.

When did you even ask for estimates? The quote above this one only says that you expected to send a company over to measure, not that you were asking the owner to provide estimates.

My husband installed all our windows so he could have put them in & saved us on installation.

You've got to be kidding! You think that your kids damage someone else's property, and that you should get to save on installation by having your husband do it? No way, no sir, no how.

Then she stood on my porch waiting for me to hand her $450. Told her she was going to have to wait until I get to the bank and I'm pissed that she didn't get other estimates since I was paying for the windows. Now is when I wished we lived in the country vs suburbs.

I do believe that if your kids were shooting close enough to hit someone's house, then you were not providing enough supervision. Instead of complaining about this neighbor, you should be thanking your lucky stars that:
- nobody was injured
- the police didn't have to get involved
- your insurance company didn't get involved
- you only have to pay $450 - that's a great price for windows

 

[Bob NC]

Instead of complaining about this neighbor, you should be thanking your lucky stars that:

.....the windows weren't open.....

 

[Glenn]

This thread really has legs. Yes it would have been nice to have more estimates from qualified dealers. What I think the poster deserves is to 1. Examine the damage 2. See what kind of windows are we talking about (Newer Pella or cheap contractor window from 20 yrs ago and 3. A detailed bill not only showing the cost but what was done. The windows need to be fixed to the level of what was there. If they were single pane window then the glass is only fixed. Anderson or Pella well that will run more. The neighbor cannot use the incident to upgrade their windows

 

[Topper]

.....the windows weren't open.....

 

[sam_gordon]

Example:

1) Based on what the OP wrote, I can make the assumption that she never taught her children "right" from "wrong".

2) Based on what the OP wrote, I can make the hypothesis that she never taught her children "right" from "wrong".

You can find fault with either statement due to "facts not in evidence", but the bottom line is that both examples mean the same thing.

I don't agree.

From dictionary.com:

hy·poth·e·sis   [hahy-poth-uh-sis, hi-] Show IPA
noun, plural hy·poth·e·ses  [-seez] Show IPA.
1.
a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.

Synonyms
1. See theory.

and

as·sump·tion   [uh-suhmp-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption. Synonyms: presupposition; hypothesis, conjecture, guess, postulate, theory.

Yes, I understand "hypothesis" is listed as a synonym for assumption. I can't explain any better how I see the difference, and for that, I apologize, but I do see a difference.

 

[blueiis99]

Neighbor had a bill for $450 for 3 windows. Hardly exhorbitant.

Glass depreciation?

TC

I never said glass depreciation Reread it