I wouldn't word it that way but I see your point. Those units you refer to are the value units. They are less points for a reason, because they are lessor rooms. Still, they do hold a certain value due to the costs and the fact that a portion of them are savannah view units.
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I don't think there's any legal or contractual exclusion. The limitations are related more to practicality and profit. In general I agree with you that IF they did something along these lines of a lesser product, it would need to be somewhat separate. Any type of crossover that gave current members a priority for all DVC resorts would be workable, say 6 months instead of 7. As you are likely hinting at, the current points structure isn't as functional when you get to smaller increments but is likely still workable. And I agree they could do it without lowering the impression of DVC if they did it totally separate though I do feel that simply including such a venture in DVC WOULD lower DVC in general.While the current contract structuring probably precludes it, why couldn't DVC roll out a 'lite' version of the club (think less expensive buy in, accommodations along the line of the family suites @ the AS value, i.e., 2 units converted into one)
perhaps a 3:1 point conversion factor would work for these owners to cross over to the current DVC point scale and the reverse for existing members to downscale @ slightly shorter than current 7 month window (4 months out?)
Can't say i've ever visited POR, but we selected it for FD in Dec, looks lovely, especially the lush landscaping
From what i gather the Riverside section is huge. Why not take 1/2 of the resort (bayou?) and just re-configure the existing hotel rooms with just the right Disney spin to make them different from the standard rooms...
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IMO, wouldn't cheapen the brand if it's designated as separate tier of membership. It could be easily be implemented @ any of the mods.
As a current owner, I agree, but once DVC sells out all of the WDW deluxes, why would DVC sales care what WE think?
I think the deluxes make the most financial sense for DVC and Disney. The Moderates and Values are closer to a Walmart analogy, high volume and product density with lower margins. I do not think the DVC (pre-paid but discounted) numbers work out as well in higher density resorts. DVC might be able to do a higher density opposite reverse lockoff. (studio+kitchen+studio with occupancy of 4+6+10) Overall I think there's a reason Disney has added more Moderates and Values than Deluxes recently and are happy operating that way.
They might care a lot. A surprisingly large chunk of current sales are to pre-existing owners, and those sales are inexpensive in terms of marketing costs---they don't need to explain the program to you, or tell you why it's great.
I suspect Disney will always care what people think, they really have to to stay in business. However, I don't believe they are worried about keeping each and every person happy and that is likely one of the differences in the way I look at this than most here on DIS, that and the interpretation of what it would take to make enough people upset enough to affect their actions and $$$. The fact that some might sell really means nothing unless enough people are upset to affect the overall perception of the average buyer.
Overall we likely agree mostly in this area. I'd point out though that a true DVC connected to a moderate wouldn't have these restrictions. And again say there's more potential benefit than simply the intrinsic $$$ of the project itself.
Disney has a history of overstating the nearness of a sell out to generate a sense of urgency and encourage those interested or considering it to buy then. IIRC, BCV was 13 months and the fastest. VWL was 12 months but formal sales were reopened 6 months later for another 6 months because it didn't sell out with the announcement and with member add on sells as anticipated. VB and HH were somewhere around 7 years each (maybe someone recalls for certain on them).Yea but a lot of people have argued that BLT would be sold out by now and it certainly isn't. I'll bet you (and I already have in other threads) that there are still "new" BLT points available from DVD well into 2010 and likely even beyond that.
There are ways to cut construction costs and the acquisition costs should be minimal. Roughly half of the price is marketing anyway which they're already doing to a degree, just roll them in together as much as possible. And if you team up with the current system's infrastructure of MS, etc; I think they could do it in a reasonable manner from a cost standpoint. They would be competing with themselves to a degree as some would buy the lower system than current sales therefore timing would be important for a lull time of current DVC options. I don't see it happening but for other reasons though it wouldn't be a surprise if they did. Even at break even it guarantees patrons for various venues (parks, restaurants, shopping, etc) during lower times and shifts some of the maint and infrastructure risk and costs to others.
Yes, but wouldn't all those things apply to a deluxe DVC as well as to the value DVC?
Some would be, but not all. Think of the differences between a spec house built by a contractor and a custom house. The difference can easily be double for one vs the other depending on specific choices. Even the acquisition costs are likely to be different and cheaper at or around the values than the moderates and those cheaper than the deluxe options. For those that know off property timeshares simply compare something like Marriott's Harbour Lakes (formerly known as Horizon's) to Marriott's Grande Vista or Lakeshore reserve should give you a good feel as to some of the possible routes this could go and still be workable. Or compare resorts like Vacation Villages, Worldmark or Orange Lake compared to DVC, Marriott, Hilton, etc. I would estimate that one could save easily 25-33% per sq ft if cost were a major factor and still end up with a very nice and desirable product for the right target population and given we're likely talking even smaller units and lower acquisition costs, you could likely get it down to around half for such a villa compared to a current DVC villa. And given that one would only have an incremental increase in support, sales, advertising and other infrastructure, I think it'd be fairly easy to make the numbers work.
