I am SOOOOO discouraged!!!!!!!!(long post)

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I just can't seem to lose the weight anymore!!:(

I had lost 50 pounds on WW from June 2001-June 2002 and was close to my goal, then yo-yoed for a few months. I then gained (gulp) about 20 pounds since last fall. Well, in February I FINALLY decided I needed to get serious again and get that 20 back off, plus 5-10 more to get to my goal.

I joined Curves in October, but had only GAINED inches and pounds because of my bad eating choices. I've been going to WW all along, just not eating right.

Now, I have been journaling again and staying within my points range (except for maybe only once or twice when I was a couple points over). I've continued going to Curves at least 3 times a week, as I have since October. BUT, I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO LOSE NOW!!!!! I feel like I should just give up and go back to eating what I want!

These are my WW stats since the week of February 15th: (I'm not putting my weight, as my family has access to these boards!):p

week 1----lost 1/4 pound
week 2----lost 1 1/2 pounds
week 3----didn't weigh in
week 4----lost 1/4 pound
week 5----lost 1/2 pound
week 6----gained 1 pound

So in total, I've only lost 1 1/2 pounds in 6 weeks! I've never lost fast, but this is ridiculous!

AND, I weighed myself today (I know I shouldn't have, my WW day is Saturday), and I'm up another pound!!! AARRGGGHHHH!!!!!

According to Curves, from Feb. 22-March 22, I lost 3 pounds and 1/2 inch in my waist, 1 1/2 in my abdomen, and 1/2 in my hips. But, I don't know if I believe that. My clothes aren't any looser and my tummy just seems to be getting fluffier, and puffier!!!

I bought the WATP one-mile tape last Friday. Originally, I thought I'd do that on the days I didn't go to Curves. But, Saturday I did both. Sunday, I did the tape twice. Yesterday, I did Curves and the tape. Today, I've been to Curves and will to the tape when my 11 year old DD gets home to do it with me (she's going to join Curves with me, too!)

Anyway, I am just so upset and discouraged. I feel like I should have lost at least a pound a week! I was losing that (and more sometimes) my first year of WW and wasn't doing any type of exercise at all then!

Please, someone tell me that eventually it will start coming off again. :( :( :( :( The sooner, the better. I'm about ready to go buy a box of oreos and eat them all in one sitting!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Sorry this was so long!!

Debbie
 
Don't give up!

I keep telling myself each time I step on the scale that muscle weighs more than fat so I am not seeing the scale go down they way I would like but I know I am toning my body.

I go to Curves also. I think with the Curves, WW and the walking tapes you will see the loss real soon.

Plus you have lost inches. That is great!

Don't get discouraged. Come back to the boards when you need a pick me up. We are here for you.:D
 
{{{HUGS}}} Debbie, you sound <i>so</i> discouraged :(

This may sound like heresy to someone on the WW program but have you considered following another eating plan for a couple of weeks to jump start your weight loss?

I was thinking you could go on the Atkins induction plan for two weeks then go back to WW. I lost 12 pounds my first two weeks on Atkins. Hey, it's a better idea than eating an entire bag of oreos ;)

If you have been going to Curves on a regular basis you are probably building muscle and we all know that muscle weighs more than fat, so that is probably what is happening now.

You can do this, don't be discouraged. We believe in you!

Katholyn
 
Debbie:

Are you familiar with the "Wendie Plan" version of WW? It's where you vary your points each day (some really high, a couple really low, but not exceeding your normal weekly allotted number of points) to jump-start your metabolism. I've not used it myself, but I've read over and over how it helps people break through plateaus....

If you're at all interested, I can pull some info on it out of my WW binder .... :)
 

Cindy--I keep trying to tell myself that, too! That muscle weighs more than fat, and that's why I'm not seeing the weight loss I did before I exercised. The only problem is my clothes aren't getting any looser, either! My 11 year old DD is starting to wear the shirts I was wearing last summer. WAHHH!!!!!

Kath--The only problem with Atkins is, don't you have to eat a lot of meat? Because I'm a vegetarian. I guess I could look into the possibility of doing it for a week or two, if I could get the protein with nuts, or beans? But, you guys (you Atkins people) don't eat some of my favorite things!;) No bread, potatoes, etc.! Oh my! I guess if there was a way, I could MAYBE do it for a week or two to "jump start" my weight loss. But, oh boy, I never should have mentioned Oreos. Now, I can't get them out of my head! Thank goodness we don't have any!

DiznEeyore--No, I've never heard of the "Wendie Plan". Any info you can give me on that would be appreciated! Should my WW leaders know about that if I asked them to explain it?

Thanks, I just get so discouraged since it's not going off as easy as it did before! I bought enough WW coupons to get me to my birthday in July, and had it planned that I would make it to goal and through the six weeks of maintenance by then. It wasn't an unreasonable goal, either. But now, I'm WAY behind schedule. So, there's no way I can make it in time. :(

Thanks again for the suggestions and encouragement. :D

Debbie
 
Debbie:

I'm not sure if your WW leaders would know about the Wendie plan or not. I had read about it a long time ago on the WW message boards and then more recently it was featured as "The UNAUTHORIZED Version of the WW Plan" in Woman's World magazine.

I'm going to try to copy and paste the post from the page I have bookmarked. This was written by Wendie, the woman who came up with the concept:


"The Wendie Plan" in a nutshell...
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What is the “Wendie Plan?”

First of all, let it be known that the Wendie Plan is NOT something different than good old Weight Watchers. Most of the people who regularly visit here are following the WW plan. However, this does not mean that the Wendie Plan can not be easily adapted for people who are using Richard Simmons, and/or counting calories. I suppose even people following a plan such as Atkins could adapt this to their program, however I do not recommend it. The reason is simple. I do not recommend the Atkins program or any other low/no-carb program like that. Why? Because it is not (or SHOULD not) be a lifestyle change, and because it is very dangerous to your health. I cannot advocate any program that would put your health at risk.

The Wendie Plan is very simple. You follow a simple plan of eating. You eat your regular foods that you have on WW. You work within your point range. You drink the water, get some exercise, etc., etc., etc. What is different? You alternate the amount of points you use each day. What could be more simple?

Let us assume for a moment that your point range falls between 22-29 points per day. (This is based on the original 123 plan, not the “Winning Points” plan) WW says that you can eat up to 29 points every day, and still lose weight. Do you? Maybe. Maybe not. Ever notice that on some days you aren’t very hungry and on other days you feel you could eat all the points in the universe? After doing extensive research, I have discovered several things that don’t always ring true.

At this point, if you are someone who has been doing the program and losing a steady 2+ pounds per week, you don’t have to read on any further. Your body is doing what it needs to for you to lose weight. If you are struggling to drop a pound, and no matter how hard you have tried the pounds won’t shake lose – read on – this is for you.

First of all, just because you eat within the points you have been assigned, drink all of your water, exercise at least 20 minutes every day, journal till the cows come home... does not mean that you will lose weight. I don’t mean to depress you, but it is the truth. We have countless people here, myself included, who can attest to this. They try really hard, but week after week they are struggling to even lose part of a pound. I see it all the time. So... what are they doing wrong?

Oddly enough, they are doing one tiny little thing wrong. It is one tiny, insignificant thing, but it is keeping them from losing weight faster and at a steady rate. The secret to The Wendie Plan is simple. Alternate your points daily. At the start of your week, alternate the number of points you eat daily. Your rhythm of your week should look like this: low/high/low/very high/very low/high/med. high.

For example. If your range allows you to eat between 22-29 points per day:

Day 1 - 22 points
Day 2 - 28 points
Day 3 - 23 points
Day 4 - 36-39 points
Day 5 - 22 points
Day 6 - 29 points
Day 7 - 27 points

On the WW plan, 22-29 points per day, you will eat between 154 points (low end) – 203 points (high end) during the course of the week. On the Wendie Plan, you will eat 190 points during the course of the week. Which falls towards the high end of the range, but not the highest. (Adjust the points to fit your current range).

We have already seen some amazing results using the Wendie Plan. I developed this plan out of sheer frustration. After being on WW for 17 months, and having lost no weight in the last 9 months of program, but being too stubborn to actually quit, I found myself pouring over 17 months of anally kept journals, trying to find the one key which would unlock my door to success. In the first 8 months I was successful. I lost 40 pounds. What happened then to impede my progress? I was still following the program in every way. I was doing everything right, but experiencing no weight loss. Why?

Why, indeed? The most interesting aspect of my journey came at the end of May, 2000. I weighed in on WW and had reached a 40 pound loss. I decided I was close enough to a 50 pound loss and I wanted to reach it by the 4th of July. That was a reachable goal. So I worked even harder. I dropped my points down to 25 per day, and began exercising more. Everyday I was outside walking through parks or in the fitness center hitting the treadmill. At the end of 5 weeks, I had a net gain of 1.2 pounds! Muscle? To some degree, yes. But, as I never began to look like Arnold Schwarztenager, I realized that something had gone terribly wrong. I had “shrunk “ a bit, which was to be expected, but still, at the end of 5 weeks, I was heavier. I continued. I worked out everyday, and kept my points down. This has got to work, right? Not necessarily. At the end of the next 5 weeks, I was down exactly 1.2 pounds. So my net loss for the 10 weeks after Memorial Day was zero!

I continued to work very hard, and by September, I had played around with the same 3 pounds all summer. Up, down, up, down – but never gone for good. In October, I celebrated 1 year of WW, by maintaining my 40 pound loss for four months! What was up with this?

I stopped attending WW meetings in October, because first, I was making no headway, and I became so depressed at Monday’s weigh-ins that it took until Tuesday afternoon to snap back out of it; and second, I did not get the support I needed through WW. They simply had no answers as to why I was not losing weight even though I was working the program very conscientiously. At the last couple of weigh-ins, when I was going up a pound each week, I got the general impression that my leader felt that I was not really working the program. At that point, I walked out for good.

I tried several things between Halloween and Christmas to shake some pounds loose, but to no avail. I then went back to WW the day after Christmas. It is interesting to note what happened. First, I didn’t start the program that first week. I weighed in on Tuesday, and then rather half-heartedly began the program on Friday. When I weighed in on Tuesday, I was down 3.5 pounds! I buckled down and worked very hard on program the next week. I measured everything, exercised, drank my water, and journaled every bite. The following Monday I weighed in and I had GAINED 2 pounds! What is up with that?

It didn’t take very long for me to see that going to WW was not going to help me. My body was being incredibly stubborn and was not going to let me lose this weight. Do you see a pattern forming here?

In addition to having 17 months of journals, I also have kept a spreadsheet of my weight losses. I began pouring over my journals and comparing what I did on certain weeks to the amount of weight I lost at the end of that particular week.

I made an astonishing discovery.

I have always been a moderate loser. Meaning, I usually lost about a pound a week. Other people may lose 3 pounds a week, but I usually lost a pound, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. But I was very consistent in losing. There were some weeks, however, when I did lose more than a pound per week. Interestingly, the weeks I had my biggest losses were weeks when I overate! The weeks were Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years! Christmas Day I ate 43 points! I lost 4.75 pounds that week! Upon further studies, I discovered something else. Every week that I overate one day, I had larger than average losses! How can that be?

It has long been thought that you have use 3500 calories less than you need in order to lose one pound. I simply don’t believe it. I know it is mathematical, and mathematics was never my strongest subject, but science has always been an area in which I have excelled. I believe that our bodies are far more complicated than a simple mathematical formula can describe. The body is like a fireplace. If you build a fire, at first it takes awhile to warm up. You add more fuel and it burns more efficiently. The more fuel you add to it, the hotter it burns. Add less fuel, and it begins to cool down.

Our bodies were built for survival. If you go on a “diet” the body can become uncomfortable. This is especially true if you take so much food away from it that it feels as if it is going to starve. There is a lot of talk about not eating too little – your body will go into “starvation mode” and you won’t lose any weight. Well, to a point, this is true. Your body will lose weight if you starve it, but it won’t want to, and it will take the weight from places you don’t necessarily want to lose it from. That is why some people who lose a lot of weight look “gaunt”, and is far more likely to hear comments like “Have you been sick?” as opposed to “You look good!”

Why does “The Wendie Plan” work?

Your body has this wonderful little thermostat inside of it. It regulates everything you do. If you feed it lots of food, it turns the thermostat up and burns it as efficiently as possible. This is why you have been able to eat as much fast food before WW and didn’t gain the amount of weight that you should have. Your body became more efficient and was able to burn off much of the excess amount of calories. Otherwise, with the amount of food we porked in pre-WW, we should have been gaining 2-3 pounds per day!

When you go on a “diet” where you dramatically decrease the amount of calories that you consume, your body thinks “Oh-oh, we’re going to starve to death here!” and immediately turns the thermostat down to conserve energy. After all, your body will do whatever it has to do to ensure that you stay alive. It doesn’t know that you don’t want to carry those extra pounds around. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to convince my body that I really do want to shed those extra pounds through talking to it.

That is where The Wendie Plan comes in. If I can’t get my body to shed the extra pounds by talking to it, then I have to trick it in to letting them go! The Wendie Plan is the trick.

If you are on WW, or even just counting calories, and you stick with a set amount of calories per day, such as 1400 or say, 27 points per day, your body will adjust to that. It will become extremely efficient at using just the amount of calories (energy) that you are giving it. You may lose fairly well at first, but after the first week or so, you will find that your losses may slow ... way... down, and even stop. Isn’t it nice to have such an energy efficient body? However, the body isn’t extremely fast. If you give it the same amount of food every day, it will adjust itself. But if you change the amount of food it gets every day, it doesn’t have time to adjust itself! Which means on that day that you eat 10 points over your highest, it tries to adjust by turning up your thermostat, but it is unable to turn it down for the low points the next day. What you are doing, in essence, is keeping your body guessing. It doesn’t have time to adjust the thermostat down, before it needs to turn it back up. What eventually happens is your body will never again feel as though it is going to starve to death, and it will never again try to shut down the thermostat, so you will continue to lose at a more rapid loss. This also means fewer plateaus.

Some people are aghast at the thought of actually eating 10 points over their maximum. I know, its the hardest part for me, too. Again, I just have to plan higher point meals for those days and make sure I actually follow through. If the huge point day isn’t done, then the body will not turn the thermostat up high enough. It is all a formula which has to be adhered to – high points, as well as low point days.

What about exercise points? What about them? I never use them. I just know that I don’t plan any big exercise on my low points days. If I am going on an 8 mile hike, I will probably do it on my high or super-high day, so that I can take advantage of the extra fuel to get me through the exercise. I think WW was using the activity points as a carrot to get people to exercise. More activity, more food. I don’t believe in that. Eat what your body needs. Exercise plays a good role in this plan, because exercising increases your metabolic rate. (Which turns up the thermostat even more!) So does increased muscle. Arrange your high point days on the days that you exercise. Or better yet, arrange your exercise around your high point days. My high point days usually fall mid-week. But why? It makes more sense to me to have my highest point day fall on Saturday. That is the most likely day that I will be doing an 8 mile hike. Fit this plan into your lifestyle.

My WW leader told us that it isn’t what you do for one meal that causes you to gain or lose – it’s what you do for 21 meals that makes a difference. What this is telling me is that I have 7 days, 21 meals, and 217 points to use. How I choose to use them over the course of a week is totally up to me. If I choose to have 42 points on Sunday and 24 points on Monday... I am still on program. Even better – I will probably lose some weight. Do not be afraid to have that one high point day. Just as you shouldn’t be afraid to have the low point ones. At the end of the week, you will have lost weight.


Cheers!
Wendie
 
Debbie,

Hang in there, hon! I know exactly how you feel - I'm sure we've all been there at one time or another.

Maybe you just need to mix things up a little. I've read that sometimes our bodies get used to our diet/exercise routine and we come to a standstill. Try a different kind of exercise or do it at a different time of day if possible. I think the Wendie plan sound interesting if it's something you think sounds possible.

Also, are you sure you're eating enough? It sounds like you're getting alot of exercise in so you might need to compensate with some extra calories. You don't want your metabolism to slow down to the point where it's going to hold on to everything and go into starvation mode. Just something to consider.

Whatever you decide to do, don't give up! You've worked to hard to backslide now.
 
Debbie, I'm sorry to admit I totally forgot all about you being vegetarian.

Atkins is <b>not</b> unhealthy but it would be for a vegetarian. Forget that I mentioned it ;)

Now <b>forget</b> all about those Oreos, hear me?
 
Thanks, Amy! The "Wendie" Plan sounds interesting. I think I'll try it! After all, it couldn't hurt.:p

Nicole, you might be right. I do sometimes have trouble eating all my points. I am not a breakfast/morning eater, but love to eat all evening/night!:rolleyes: Sometimes, I don't eat much during the day, because I'm afraid of running out of points too early. Before I know it, it's late and time for bed and I haven't eaten all my points.

So, thanks for the suggestions! You guys are great! Even though I don't post much, I get on here and read at least every other day, if I can't make it every day!

Okay, I WON'T GIVE UP! I'll keep going to my WW meetings on Saturdays (my 18 year old DS goes with me!), I'll keep going to Curves at least 3 times a week (my 11 year old DD will be joining soon!), and I'll do my Walk Away The Pounds tape AT LEAST on the days I don't make it to Curves and maybe more. I'll figure out what my total points for the week should be and try the Wendie Plan. And in the meantime, I'll check out Atkins for vegetarians, just in case!;) :D

Debbie
 
Originally posted by CDoobee
I do sometimes have trouble eating all my points. I am not a breakfast/morning eater, but love to eat all evening/night!:rolleyes: Sometimes, I don't eat much during the day, because I'm afraid of running out of points too early. Before I know it, it's late and time for bed and I haven't eaten all my points.
Debbie, I just thought of something else you might want to try if you want to stay with WW. I remember reading on Dotti's site and on the WW message boards about several people who were "evening eaters" and would run out of points.

What they did to counteract that was to *start* counting points with their evening meal, then adding on the next day's breakfast, lunch and anything else up 'til dinner. That way, they were using the same number of points, but were certain to have enough points for the time of day that they knew they would eat the most! What do you think of that idea?
 
DiznEeyore,
Thanks for all that interesting information. I think the Wendie plan makes sense. I've lost weight on weeks when I've had a really bad day or two, and lost nothing on weeks when I've been totally faithful to the program. I'm going to try it - maybe the week of Easter. It should be easy to get those extra points in that weekend. :D
 
Hey Wendy,

Try drinking more water, and add walking to your weekly schedule. See if that helps!!!:(
 
That's the spirit, Debbie! You can do it, even if it does seem to take forever. I like the info that DiznEeyore posted. Interesting reading! Thanks!
 
You've gotten lots of great responses already I just wanted to add that we support you and are wishing you success. I hope you find something that works for you and your body agrees with. It's hard to loose and i know it's frustrating to loose slow. I have a slimfast buddy that started with me on my change of habits and she is loosing much slower than me and it's been so hard on her. She is considering joining ww as a solution to help her along her journey. She's done well but she wants if faster. I hope you find your perfect plan too.
 
Just want to wish you good luck! That Wendie plan sounds really interesting. It seems like it is worth a shot just to find out if it works for you! Sending you lots of good luck pixie dust and more "hang in theres"!!! YOU CAN DO IT! I give you alot of credit for sticking it out this long with the slow loss you have experienced. Glad you posted this - hopefully now your determination is all fueled up again and you will see some faster loss!!!! :)
 
Hi Debbie! :wave: Good to "see" you again. :teeth:

I know exactly what you mean about feeling discouraged! :(
I had my gall bladder out Jan 6, and started my weight loss plan then. The 1st 6 lbs came off really easy. I've only managed 2 more since early Feb, though, & it's now April 2! Like you, I'm fighting the urge to binge. I mean, don't even show me a pack of Oreos - they'd be gone! Good thing I don't have any either! The WISH group is great support though. I really think that coming here on a regular basis has been what has kept me on track through my struggles. Hang in there. You can do it!
 












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