I am so sorry that this woman is even being given air time

"Marsha, we will agree to disagree on the floozy."

I guess we will as long you keep using those words.....sorry, just not my style to namecall in that manner. No matter how I feel about which candidate, I am going to be do my level best to handle myself in a manner that I feel appropriate. If I vote for McCain, I will deal with his next 4 years intelligently, if I vote for Obama, I will deal with his next 4 years as intelligently.

Maybe because I know how short life is, maybe because I deal with a terminal illness on a daily basis, maybe that is where I am coming from. To me life is just way too short to be so angry.....it is anger that makes people namecall and point fingers??? I just feel so much anger and meanness in this election....maybe I am too sensitive.

I am still pro choice, I am still pro gay marriage and live in Taxachusetts where I pay my fair share. I have issues with people who do not get that it is our choice what we do with our bodies, I do not want the choice to be taken away. Also, why would I even think to interfere with two people who are in love and want to get married... I am not threatened by that, I have a wonderful marriage 39 years, everyone should be entitled to have that or better....straight, gay...it does not matter.
 

I am sorry, I thought we were talking about Cindy here, I see we are going back and forth on both...one a wife of a nominee and the other a nominee, who is a woman.

Hard to keep who is who and doing what with who and spending what where... I am following now, seems to me that is Alaska's problem and maybe they should have addressed it at the time?

In MA...when the Governor went out and leased himself a brand new car, people stood up and screamed, he toned it down real fast.

It went something like this...

"Governor Deval Patrick for the first time publicly expressed regret yesterday for spending thousands of dollars on new office decor and a luxury car lease , but stood behind his wife’s need for a $72,000 aide and the effort to make his corner office suitable for visitors.

“Oh, yeah, we screwed up,” Patrick told a horde of reporters, a day after promising to repay the state for office furnishings and a portion of the lease for his official car. “I am so sorry that we all have spent the kind of time we have on what we have spent time on, and I am sorry to have been responsible for that.”

The new governor’s public mea culpa came after a week of spiraling reports about his spending of taxpayer money, including $1,166 each month on a Cadillac DTS and $12,306 on new draperies in his office."


So maybe Alaska needed to speak up and question when it was happening....I would think it was inappropriate spending myself.
 
Did McCain really vet her out, seriously, this woman seems to be more trouble then its worth.
 
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Trust me, I am no Palin fan. Scares me to death that she could become vice president of our great nation and possibly president by default... I am however offended by negative comments about her daughter. I hope that her daughter's marriage will be a long and successful one. The same as I would for any couple. This kind of trashing of straight couples does our cause no good.. just shows that we can be as ugly as those who are against us.
 
Trust me, I am no Palin fan. Scares me to death that she could become vice president of our great nation and possibly president by default... I am however offended by negative comments about her daughter. I hope that her daughter's marriage will be a long and successful one. The same as I would for any couple. This kind of trashing of straight couples does our cause no good.. just shows that we can be as ugly as those who are against us.

I think the point of people making fun is that those who are against often throw stones from glass houses. Their lives are not ideal, and their morals questionable.

People have a right to point a finger at those who preach at others yet don't look behind themselves to see the that they really should preaching to their own.
 
Here is the thing.. Personally I am not sure what I think about her....she is not like me in any way. Palin, that is.

And clearly, if it had been my 17 year old daughter, and I have 3 daughters, and she came to me and said she was pregnant, I would have made sure she knew she had choices. Then I would have left the decision to her to make just as she made the decision that got her there in the first place. I am not saying the boy does not have owness because he does, but her body, her decision. I wonder if Palin's daughter was allowed those decisions? I certainly would not advocate a 17 year old getting married.....I think that is way too young.. Hey I think I was too young at 22.....my daughters are not rushing into marriage either, and I am glad they are not. So far, they have all been in their 30's.....living their lives and enjoying themselves, as well as working hard to further their careers..

However, in saying the above, I am not passing judgment on any of them.. Maybe the daughter wanted to keep the child and wanted to get married and the boy too??? I have no clue. I hope that if they do get married that it lasts for them especially with a child in the mix.
 
A few thoughts of mine

Children should be off limits however I do not consider some one who is pregnant and getting married a child.

Wives should be considered. Seriously, I think who you partner with shows much about your character.
 
Being married is hard. Having a baby is hard. Maintaining stable employment & supporting a family without a degree is hard. Put all those factors together and it becomes even more difficult. I hope they make it but I’m not expecting their marriage to last. The odds are probably slightly better for them because I assume they’ll get financial support and other assistance from the Palins but when you’re a couple of 17 year old kids and suddenly your entire life changes it’s not easy. They may very well have planned to get married someday but I assume it would be after they finished their educations and had stable jobs.

When Sarah Palin said in the debate that she ‘tolerates’ us that made my blood boil and now that she has said she wants a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between one man and one woman to protect ‘traditional marriage and strong families’ she opened up the door. The ‘tradition’ is that you grow up, finish school, get married and then have a baby. I don’t wish any ill will on her daughter and future son-in-law but if you’re pushing the sanctity of traditional marriage then you better make sure your house is in order first.
 
but if you’re pushing the sanctity of traditional marriage then you better make sure your house is in order first.


:worship: Amen!

Especially if you are advocating ammending the most important document our country has, to exclude certain people from enjoying a traditional marriage!
 
The ‘tradition’ is that you grow up, finish school, get married and then have a baby. I don’t wish any ill will on her daughter and future son-in-law but if you’re pushing the sanctity of traditional marriage then you better make sure your house is in order first.

The "tradition" also once included a wife being banned from working outside the home, unable to own property in her own name, and able to be beaten by her husband as long as the stick he used to beat her wasn't as thick as his thumb.

Shall we protect THOSE aspects of traditional marriage, too? I'll bet she'd feel a lot differenly if she had to go backward to THAT definition of marriage. Especially since it looks like her husband might have thick thumbs.:thumbsup2
 
OrlandoMike, kudos on the letter... you just forgot to mention "America's mayor," the "honorable" Rudy Giuliani who while working on his project to clean up Times Square and move the adult movies stores to the outer boroughs (and closer to lower income neighborhoods), was involved in a long-term extra-marital affair with Judith Nathan, another "Mistress-turns-Mrs." featured prominently during the Republican Convention.

I grew up in the Republican suburbs of New York City and these weren't the "family values" in my neighborhood (which, btw, included two gay couples who were never excluded or shunned or treated negatively). Your mate was your mate, and if you had an affair and married your mistress, it wasn't celebrated publicly. If your kid got pregnant before marriage, you felt like you as a parent hadn't taught them the birds and the bees correctly or had somehow done something wrong. [I still remember the drama when my brother "had" to get married his freshman year at SUNY Buffalo.] By no means am I conservative (the mere thought has me :rotfl2: ), but blatant hypocrisy can always make me cringe. But then again, this was the same crowd that APPLAUDED that Todd Palin is an Ironworker.

Anyway, pardon the intrusion from this child of the 60s/70s. :hippie:
 
Personally, I'm delighted. Every time Sarah Palin speaks, Obama gets a few more votes. :laughing:
 
More words of wisdom today. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/rel_palin_dobson, but my question is, if they lose, what will be the answer? Doesn't the Constitution have some small mention of separation of church and state?

I saw this quote float across Google News about a week ago and I've been thinking about it a lot since then:

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

I've sure been seeing my fair share of this kind of thinking in my own community lately. Saddest though are the people who aren't "True Believers" but instead are so disillusioned or apathetic that they are choosing NOT to vote. :guilty: Giving up on the process is basically handing the country over to the wing-nuts. A week from Tuesday, you can bet we'll have our home-made "VOTE NO" signs posted right next to the slick mass-produced "VOTE YES" signs at the 75' perimeter at our local polling places. I expect we'll be subjected to some additional level of ridicule but if we can change just one mind, and then another one, and another one, it will all be worthwhile.:goodvibes
 
There are so many vote yes on 102 on TV, I wish someone would follow up with, "It's already illegal in AZ". One man and one woman because that's the "Christian way". I am not a Christian and am so sick of it being shoved in my face.

I voted NO, but I am sure my DH voted yes. He used to be a long haired, pot smoking, liberal. Now he is a bigoted, hate filled conservative. He doesn't see that nothing is going to happen if Rob and Scott are legally married, not just shacking up. He refuses to see the discrimination towards gays. I get so angry with him. I don't even try anymore to talk about it. Ignorance is surely the worst part of this fear. But those who refuse to listen are worse than ignorant,.
 














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