I am SO ANGRY - Girl Scouts Rant (LONG): UPDATE Pg.12

Well today DD comes home COMPLETELY distraught; downright hysterical crying and tells me the girl scouts are going to Six Flags Great America next weekend and DD was excluded. I assumed this was another case of an outside event, but I called the co-leader (who is WONDERFUL) and she tells me "Well, leader DD didn't want your DD to go and it's not my decision, I told leader it wasn't acceptable, but she wants to cater to her DD". I also thought maybe they assumed it would be too expensive for us, but THE GIRL SCOUTS ARE PAYING FOR IT..IT'S FREE. I

No, this isn't a wonderful co-leader, this is a co-leader that needs to be removed from her position also for simply shrugging her shoulders and basically giving you the "oh well" answer. Yes, it is partly her decision and her responsibility to make sure everyone is included - as per the RULES.
 
$600 dollars? How the heck can you spend $600 in stuff at Disneyland anyway?

I had wondered the same thing. :confused3 Unless you are buying some pretty high-end "adult" type of souveniers like collectibles or real gemstone jewelry, I'm not seeing it!

DS never spent more than $50 or so--he'd get some toy, a shirt or ball cap, maybe a stuffed animal when he was younger.

Anne
 
I feel bad for your DD. I would join another troop. My DD was in the brownies and girl scouts and had a lot of fun. I wouldn't ever want to be in the same room with someone who treated my DD this way.
 
I just wanted to say that as a lifetime GirlScout, I am so upset to hear what is going on in your daughter's troop. I did scouting from brownies all the way up to being a member of the Board of Directors of my council for 2 years. This is NOT what the Girl Scouts aim to teach girls and it's deplorable that the leader would allow it to happen, let alone even downright condone it.

I had a troop much like your daughter's when I was a kid and I loved it. We were small and because of that, it made us all EXTREMELY close. I'm just so sorry she's going thru this.

Please know that there are things you can and should do. First, contact your association. The name of that association is on your daughters sash right underneath the badge that says the name of the council. I would call your council and let them know what's going on.

Someone posted that they let anyone be a leader in GS's and that's not the case at all. Leaders are screened and trained on what it means to be a leader and they have to show they understand all that before they are even allowed to become a leader. This leader is not following what she learned and she can be punished for that, like being put on a list of people who are not allowed to have a troop again.

Lastly, I would ask your association about other troops in the area. Girl Scouts is set up to be a sisterhood, something that you will remember forever. Part of what makes girls love it is the experience they have with the other members doing things together. It sounds like the personality of your daughter isn't fitting with the personality of the other girls in that troop and she really needs to leave. I'm sure there are other ones around who would be a better fit for your daughter. When I was about to become a Cadette GS, I had been approached about another troop wanting me to be a part of their group. I flirted with the idea for a brief second, but realized I loved the small troop I had been in for years and stayed with them. When I was 14, though we had a tragedy hit the troop and I had to leave. I found another troop that finished with and it worked out for the best. Have her "shop around" a little bit, trying out a few troops to get the one that would be a fit for her. Girl Scouts is kind of like a college sorority. I don't know how familier you are with that, but during Rush Week if you want to pledge, you attend functions of each of the sororities and see which one fits in with you best. They then choose you because your philosophy/personality fit best with everyone else there.

Like I said..have her visit other troops and see if there is another one where she might have more opportunites to be who she is and be accepted. That is the ultimate goal after all.

Let me know if I can help in any way, feel free to email or PM me at any time. Good luck and I hope it all works out. :grouphug:
 

I first read this last night and had several thoughts and feeling. The anger that rushed over me at the treatment of your daughters, was/is major. I give you credit for being so much calmer than I would. As everyone involved would know just where I stood on it all. It would NOT be pretty at all!

Everyone has given you the best advice about who to call and what to do.

But even if the Rich Witch agreed to let your daughter go, I wouldn't let her. As I can see it ending in more heartache for her. As you can still be part of a group and not be a part of the group. The heartache isn't worth it.
 
I was once a Girl Scout Leader and would have never treated children like that!!!!:eek: She is using Girl Scouts to have a clique for her daughter. I thik the Council needs to be notified because she is not upholding the principles of Girl Scouts. I would not back down on this one!!
 
Embezzlement - Misappropriation or misapplication of money or property entrusted to one’s care, custody, or control.

from: http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/ojstatbb/glossary.html

If she is using GS money to take her DD and friends on field trips, she could be in big trouble. I would request an audit too.
 
Wow, that's just horrible. I am shocked that a girl scout leader would do this to one of their troop members and that the co-leader would allow it to happen.
I feel so bad for your dd.
 
Ms.Snottypockets :rotfl: :rotfl: Oh how TRUE that is!!! This is the lady who drives the custom BMW SUV with a license plate holder that says "I'm not spoiled, my husband just loves me" :headache:

Now that's just plain old pathetic. Can you imagine a grown woman having to put somehting like that on her license plate???

How sad that materialism and appearances are so important to her.:sad2:
 
How horrible. I cannot believe people can be so mean. I would not call her, I would go directly to the council. I also thinjk the co leader is just as responsible for allowing this behavior. If someone approcahed me about excluding one scout from an event, I would tell her in no uncertain terms, that maybe she and her daughter should go it alone. The co leader needs a backbone.

The problem is, if she doesnt get something right from the horse's mouth, so to speak, then all the evil woman has to say is "I never said that your DD couldn't come. You know how kids can misunderstand things". She either has to hear it from the leader herself or get a witness tot he co-leader saying "Yes, I know it's wrong but the leader doesn't want your DD to come".
 
But even if the Rich Witch agreed to let your daughter go, I wouldn't let her. As I can see it ending in more heartache for her. As you can still be part of a group and not be a part of the group. The heartache isn't worth it.[/QUOTE]



I would almost agree with this, I know you aren't asking for parenting advice and i'm not giving it..i'd have to be a parent for that. But does your daugther even WANT to go at this point? I wouldn't if I were her? I hope you give her the choice on whether or not to go and i wish you the best in luck in explaining to her before she goes that the girls are probably going to continue being mean. Could you go as a chaperone on this trip?


:love:
 
:grouphug: To your sweet daughter and to you. I am sorry she is having to learn so young how mean people can be.

My DD sometimes gets left out of things by her friends because she is quieter and more serious then they are. It hurts.

Give her a hug and tell her we all wish her well.

You have received some great advice from others who have answered you.

:grouphug:

Penny
 
How horrible.

The one thing I remember about Girl Guides (we do not have girl scouts here) is that we were all equal. No designer fashions, no getting out of clean up, all doing the same tasks and the same fun things.

That "Woman" needs to be replaced pronto and not let near another troop...I hope your DD gets to go but maybe you could be a chaperone for the trip? I don't have all the answers but I wish you peace in all of this once it's over.

To treat a child like that should be criminal.:sad2:
 
Update:

I emailed Ms.Snottypockets this morning..even though I was and am still INCREDIBLY angry, I was much more calm this morning and was able to hit the backspace a few times before hitting send ;) I simply said that my DD heard that there was a GS event at Six Flags next weekend and that I would like more information (as some of you suggested here). She emailed me back pretty quickly and said she gave me the information about the trip MONTHS ago and now it's too late because she had to call several weeks ago with the # of GS that were going and the hotel is already booked to capacity. I know for a fact she never gave me, my DD or my DH any information on a trip like this and even if she did; why didn't she call me before the deadline or mention it at one of the meetings that the deadline was fast approaching and she needed a response? I assume co-leader "got" to her before I did because she seemed to have a planned out reply ready to go, unfortunately for her, I keep every bit of paperwork I get from GS and I triple checked this morning to be sure that *I* wasn't the one who messed up. After emailing back and forth several times; things did get a bit heated but I really wanted this lady to know how hurt my DD is and that it won't be tolerated..GS isn't supposed to be about social clubs for the adult (which is why I think she is the leader), it's supposed to be for the kids. The last email she sent stated she was not the type of person that would exclude a child from an event, that it was my fault that I let her down but she would "bend over backwards to make an exception to get a spot for DD to go". I shot back a reply that said not to bother because my DD and I were already in the midst of making other plans together and that we would also be looking for a new troop ASAP and she should feel awful for the way DD has been treated in recent weeks. I also let her know I will be getting in touch with council on Monday and will be using the emails as proof; but I suppose it could be her word against mine that she gave us the paperwork :confused3

DD woke up this morning feeling a bit better, but I could tell she was still upset, so we started planning a Mom-Daughter weekend next weekend and that helped her feel A LOT better. Thank you all again for your thoughtful replies :grouphug:
 
I'm sorry, that's just inexcusable.

I would call the leader and let her know that you heard about the trip next weekend and need to know the details about it so your daughter can be prepared for it. Play dumb and see what happens. If she says your daughter can't go, ask why. If it's simply because she doesn't like her, then tell her that she really doesn't have a choice, that your daughter is a member of the troop. She might not have the guts to be nasty to you and may give you all the info.

Frankly I'm not sure I'd even let my daughter go under those circumstances. Maybe you could plan something special to do with her that day instead.

I'd also call the council. That behaviour is totally unacceptable.

Anne




ITA. Call the council. This is no way for a troop leader to act. She is supposed to be setting an example for the girls in her troop. Unfortunately, she is setting a bad one.

ETA... Sorry, I posted before I saw your update. I am glad you did what you did. I was excluded from many parties in grade school and high school because I wasn't considered "cool". I understand why your daughter was upset and am glad she is feeling better. She is too good for that crowd.
 
Handled appropriately.
No way would let my dd go back those witches!:scared1:

Running away from this mess is the right thing to do. :thumbsup2
 
A responsible leader would have checked with all the girls, and their parents, beofre finalizing the arrangements for a trip. Esepecially with a troop the size of your daughter's troop.

So even if you accept her lies as "truth" you have her acting totally irresponsibly. call the council Monday.

I do hope the co-leader grows a backbone and confrims what she told you to the council.
 
I would now ask all the other moms to forward you the email she sent out and see if indeed you were CC'd on it....... With a troop of only FIVE kids... I mean geez... our brownies group is well over 20 girls and NO ISSUES with sending out lots of reminders and such.


The LEADER dropped the ball on this... big time.
 














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