I am opening Pandora's Box......Feel free to flame

[Silly Little Pixie]

I'm not a fan of either of them - and haven't been for a long, long time..

However, I heard something on t.v. today about him pulling the plug on allowing the children to be filmed anymore.. If that's true - and it does come to pass - (regardless of "why" he did it), his popularity just soared to the TOP of my list..

Those kids never should have been exploited to begin with and it's about time someone got them off the air..

I agree 100%, C.Ann!! Well said.

Those kids need to live a normal life. They don't need matching clothes (mom's want), nannies (mom's want), a mansion (both parents' want), or fancy vacations to Hawaii or a beach house.

I am sure that both parents could find a day job- IF they wanted to. They don't want to, either of them.

So sad, their children will be totally missing the values of hard work and shared sacrifice that most parents are able to instill on their children.

 

[paintnolish]

I am on team nobody. Frankly, they both make me gag. They were slightly tolerable before this whole mess, but I can't stand either one of them now.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

I've always been on Jon's side....

 

[Mickeyistheman]

WOW! I really did open pandora's box but glad that I got all of these replies!

I was out all afternoon and now I come home to a great discussion.

I am glad we have a few fellow Jon supporters too!

C. Ann I as well agree with you. Jon made a few mistakes and did rebel and now he realized he really screwed up and has to be a parent before anything else and for him to say stop taping my children says it all to me.

I know many women who were getting seperated or divorced and cleaned out their bank accounts as well so that is nothing new, its just a man that is doing it. I missed Nancy Grace, I did want to see that.

I did hear Kate though on the View yesterday I think talking about how sad she is and Jon won't return her calls but he says she won't talk to him its all her lawyers now so its a he said/she said.

What got me is when she said the kids were sad because now they couldn't go to New York to see the Statue of Liberty. Ummmm why don't you get in your van with your children and drive up here to see it? You live in PA? Oh thats right you want TLC to pick up the tab. Sorry I have no remorse for this woman at this point. Let's not forget....she might have cheated too with that security guard. So if that did happen then they are both at fault for cheating.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

I'm not sure of your own personal story, but I assume that you had your 7 kids in multiple serial pregnancies (one or two at a time). In that case, I would say that you're comparing apples and oranges. With each pregnancy you are stretched financially a little bit more. Sure, you need to find a place for the new child but you can re-use an older child's crib or clothes or toys or bottles. Adding on one or two kids at a time, while not easy, is more do-able with a 9-5 job than having a bunch of kids all at once. When you have mega-multiples everything needs to be brought all at once. You need to buy 6 car seats all at once, a specialty stroller, 6 outfits at once, 6 of this at once and 6 of that at once. Your life and 9-5 job is slammed with expenses all at once and not stretched a little at a time.

It's true mine wree stretched out over time. Of course I also didn't have companies giving me free formula, diapers (I had three in diapers at once!), people donating cribs, car seats etc. As for college - college financial aid takes into account how many children are in college at the same time, and the parents income. I would bet that if they were "regular" people (no reality show), their children's financial age package would be a lot better than the ones my chidlren had! She also had so many people volunteering - gee when I had three in three years I would have loved someone to not only do my laundry, but fold it and put it away!

Kate really loves the celebrity bit - can anyone actually believe that keeping the kids on tv can be good for them - especially in the middle of a horrible divorce?

 

[KAMLEM]

However, I heard something on t.v. today about him pulling the plug on allowing the children to be filmed anymore.. If that's true - and it does come to pass - (regardless of "why" he did it), his popularity just soared to the TOP of my list..

Those kids never should have been exploited to begin with and it's about time someone got them off the air..

I think it was mentioned previously in this thread that the only reason he did this is because he got fired from the show and this is his way of sticking it to TLC. "Why" he did it is as important if not more than what he did. It has nothing to do with him being concerned about the kids. And I'm sure he and his publicist have thought about the media implications. Just like you, many people will now think he's the good guy. He's still just a jerk thinking about himself.

 

[DVC Sadie]

It's true mine wree stretched out over time. Of course I also didn't have companies giving me free formula, diapers (I had three in diapers at once!), people donating cribs, car seats etc. As for college - college financial aid takes into account how many children are in college at the same time, and the parents income. I would bet that if they were "regular" people (no reality show), their children's financial age package would be a lot better than the ones my chidlren had! She also had so many people volunteering - gee when I had three in three years I would have loved someone to not only do my laundry, but fold it and put it away!

Kate really loves the celebrity bit - can anyone actually believe that keeping the kids on tv can be good for them - especially in the middle of a horrible divorce?

I agree with you 100%!

The best thing that could happen to Jon and Kates kids is that the kids have their own advocate. Jon and Kate need to get off the kids gravy train and go out and get their own jobs. I just hope that someone was looking out for the kids when they "earned" all of the 2 million dollar income and that some of the money was at least put away for them.

 

[daughtersrus]

The McCaugheys are certainly not the poster parents of media restraint ! If they were offered a show a few years ago they would do it in a heartbeat, I'm sure. Their mugs were all over the TV and magazines when those poor kids were born and remained on the TV until Jon and Kate edged them out. They were ALSO given diapers, food, a van, a house, scholarships for their kids, etc.

Why do you say that?

That is not at all how I remember it. I remember magazine articles and news shows but not videos of their daily life.

I don't think that if they were offered a show like J & K +8 that they would have taken it. They allowed interviews but I may be wrong but I don't remember them allowing daily video taping of their lives.

They've been able to support their family without a tv show as well as the millions of dollars and the perks that go with it.

http://www.baptistbulletin.org/?p=749

Curious about all of the media attention, I ran a LexisNexis search and discovered there have been more than two thousand newspaper stories about the McCaugheys since 1997. I was fairly certain the family didn’t have time for all of those intereviews, and Bobbi confirms this, saying, “There was all kinds of stuff in the papers early on—but they never actually interviewed us. Most of it is one paper quoting another.

 

[PghLybrt]

He is a doormat and she is a bully who thrives on drama.

To sit and "cry" that you have no money to pay bills...... really? How many million did she make off of HER book? She has her custody time yet she is up in NY doing the Today Show?

I feel bad for the kids.

 

[C.Ann]

I think it was mentioned previously in this thread that the only reason he did this is because he got fired from the show and this is his way of sticking it to TLC. "Why" he did it is as important if not more than what he did. It has nothing to do with him being concerned about the kids. And I'm sure he and his publicist have thought about the media implications. Just like you, many people will now think he's the good guy. He's still just a jerk thinking about himself.

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I don't think you understood what I was saying.. This does not make Jon "the good guy" at all - nor would it have made Kate "a great woman" (if she did it for the exact same reason).. What is "good" about it is the end result.. In this case, Jon was the one who made the move to put a halt to this circus and therefore - regardless of his motives - I'm thrilled with the outcome..

These children never should have been exploited the way that they have been.. They should never have been exposed to their parents announcing their divorce on television - in front of millions of viewers.. They should not have to see their parents photos on every rag mag and newspaper all over the world - on a daily basis - with headlines screaming atrocious accusations.. They should not have to endure the whispers of their peers - the gossip spread by people all over the internet - they should not have to endure every aspect of their lives being photographed - and on and on and on...

I am not "Team John" or "Team Kate" - the only "team" I have ever been on is the "Team Kids".. I have no interest in Jon and Kate - nor do I care what the motives are for how this filming hiatus came to be.. The only thing I care about is that they stop filming those kids - and apparently, that is in fact what has happened - at least temporarily.. Kudos to whoever was able to bring that about..

 

[AustinTink]

I've never seen the show. But, with all the "news" coverage these two are getting, I know more than I want to about them. The thing that gets me about Jon is that he is dating a 22 year old drug abuser who's been arrested for possession. To me that trumps anything bad Kate could ever do. Oh, and his new best friend is Michael Lohan (father to Lindsay, a drug addict) who is himself an ex-con, jailed for drugs. I don't think his kids are safe around these kinds of people.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I've never seen the show. But, with all the "news" coverage these two are getting, I know more than I want to about them. The thing that gets me about Jon is that he is dating a 22 year old drug abuser who's been arrested for possession. To me that trumps anything bad Kate could ever do. Oh, and his new best friend is Michael Lohan (father to Lindsay, a drug addict) who is himself an ex-con, jailed for drugs. I don't think his kids are safe around these kinds of people.

I'm not sure how folks can ignore these very obvious facts.


For those seemingly conned by the fact that Jon saved the kids from TV--think again! No verification of this--but we can't let this thought escape if we are going to believe the rest of the tabloid trash.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-jon-gosselin-feature-girlfriend-new-show

Jon has said he doesn't want TLC filming his children anymore and believes it is detrimental to them while he and Kate are divorcing. But the source familiar with the situation told RadarOnline.com that Jon wants to have his children on his new show!

Jon's motives are about Jon--not his children's well being if he has even remotely suggested the minute tiniest possibility that his kids will appear on one frame of a new television show.

Contradict yourself much, Jon?

 

[C.Ann]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/exclusive-jon-gosselin-feature-girlfriend-new-show[/url]



Jon's motives are about Jon--not his children's well being if he has even remotely suggested the minute tiniest possibility that his kids will appear on one frame of a new television show.

Contradict yourself much, Jon?

I don't think anyone is being "conned" as to why Jon requested a cease and desist order for TLC, but the fact remains that for the time being there doesn't appear to be any filming going on.. That is a GOOD thing..

If he should attempt to have them on any show of his own, I would hope that someone would come forward again and slap a cease and desist order on him as well..

The goal is to get those kids out of the limelight and for the folks who are "Team Kids", who cares how it comes about? Neither parent should be allowed to exploit them for one minute longer.. It's time for the parents "Gravy Train" to pull out of the station..

 

[Minnie&Nana]

It's true mine wree stretched out over time. Of course I also didn't have companies giving me free formula, diapers (I had three in diapers at once!), people donating cribs, car seats etc. As for college - college financial aid takes into account how many children are in college at the same time, and the parents income. I would bet that if they were "regular" people (no reality show), their children's financial age package would be a lot better than the ones my children had! She also had so many people volunteering - gee when I had three in three years I would have loved someone to not only do my laundry, but fold it and put it away!

Kate really loves the celebrity bit - can anyone actually believe that keeping the kids on tv can be good for them - especially in the middle of a horrible divorce?

So true....

We have a few large families within our family: 3 of my aunts and uncles each have 7 children (did that make sense?). Within those families are natural twins and triplets. Like the far majority of large families, no one gave them free cribs, diapers, vans, car seats, organic food or trips to WDW. Somehow they managed - perfect families, nope. Close knit families? You bet.

All my aunts were stay at home moms - one uncle was a firefighter, another drove a truck for an ice cream company and the other had a small farm. None of them ever on TV, never interviewed for any reason, never considered unusual to have so many children - they were all just a family in the neighborhood. Irish Catholic. Nothing unique about a big family - neighbors had 10 and 11 children.

My aunts and uncles sent their children to Catholic school through HS and every child from every family has a degree. One is a PhD. They all worked through college. They are all grown up now with families of their own. I cannot even begin to imagine their lives had they been like the Gosselin children.

Kate has said openly how much she enjoys her life as a celebrity - that's fine. Good for her...but right now it has been at the expense of her children. As many here have mentioned - Kate has been estranged from family and friends for years - this speaks volumes.

Trying not to judge either Jon or Kate, or place blame on one more than the other - but, somehow, the children's best interest got lost in all the hoopla. I hope someone begins to truly look out for them beginning right now.

 

[MAKmom]

I've never seen the show. But, with all the "news" coverage these two are getting, I know more than I want to about them. The thing that gets me about Jon is that he is dating a 22 year old drug abuser who's been arrested for possession. To me that trumps anything bad Kate could ever do. Oh, and his new best friend is Michael Lohan (father to Lindsay, a drug addict) who is himself an ex-con, jailed for drugs. I don't think his kids are safe around these kinds of people.

But Kate was mean to Jon so she is the bad guyHe is just getting used to his new freedom.

 

[MAKmom]

So true....

We have a few large families within our family: 3 of my aunts and uncles each have 7 children (did that make sense?). Within those families are natural twins and triplets. Like the far majority of large families, no one gave them free cribs, diapers, vans, car seats, organic food or trips to WDW. Somehow they managed - perfect families, nope. Close knit families? You bet.

All my aunts were stay at home moms - one uncle was a firefighter, another drove a truck for an ice cream company and the other had a small farm. None of them ever on TV, never interviewed for any reason, never considered unusual to have so many children - they were all just a family in the neighborhood. Irish Catholic. Nothing unique about a big family - neighbors had 10 and 11 children.

My aunts and uncles sent their children to Catholic school through HS and every child from every family has a degree. One is a PhD. They all worked through college. They are all grown up now with families of their own. I cannot even begin to imagine their lives had they been like the Gosselin children.

Kate has said openly how much she enjoys her life as a celebrity - that's fine. Good for her...but right now it has been at the expense of her children. As many here have mentioned - Kate has been estranged from family and friends for years - this speaks volumes.

Trying not to judge either Jon or Kate, or place blame on one more than the other - but, somehow, the children's best interest got lost in all the hoopla. I hope someone begins to truly look out for them beginning right now.

Kate still has her best friend & sister Chris she is very close to. They are just not all on camera.

 

[DMRick]

I've never liked either of them much. Yes, she was a controlling witch on the show and not very likeable and he was a push over. I think they have both made mistakes for sure but his mistakes, IMHO are way worse than anything Kate has done thus far.

She may be going about this all wrong but I think she's in "mama bear" mode right now. He's in "what's in it for me? I'm going to get back at you no matter how bad it makes me look or no matter how much it hurts the kids" mode.

I agree with the above.

Also, I think the show is slowly coming to a halt. The kids are bigger, it's not the show we all started watching, and soon it should be by the wayside. I do hope that Kate is successful, and decides to not continue past this year. It's becoming too public for the kids. I still don't say they are exploiting the kids, and belived they started out with good intentions, but now that they are fighting in public, well it's time has come to end.

 

[Disney Doll]

IMO, they BOTH have issues. Parents who choose to have their family life filmed for entertainment probably do so for the money and/or fame.... not because it is best for their children. The drama pre- and post- split is only part and parcel of showing who both Jon and Kate are as people.... not a pleasant sight.

What she said.
The only people I have any sympathy for in this situation is their children.

Don't give me that "Mama Bear" business either. If she was a Mama Bear, she wouldn't have exploited her family the way she has.