I am opening Pandora's Box......Feel free to flame

[bookgirl]

I think they are both being stupid but I'm on his side. He always seemed to be the more hands on parent, in the early shows, and she was the screaming whiney one. They both need some therapy, but I think Jon will need less.


She has the histoy of destroying relationships and this is just the latest one to hit the skids. I think she has issues, I mean seriously when your own family won't talk to you, none of them, when you husbands family whom he was close to cut ties with him while he's with you, and every friend you have dumps you eventually, then I am not willing to take anything you have to say about why your husband is the bad guy in the relationship seriously.

 

[wvjules]

She does not want to give up the million dollar house, the high end vacations, the nannies, the plastic surgery etc.

She can support the 8 kids, with his child support but not in the way the ***** wants to be supported. They still own the other house. Move back in and dump the million dollar house.

What would that solve? There would still be a mortgage on that house, both houses actually.

To those of you that said she should be able to provide for her kids on a 9-5 job - would YOU hire her?

 

[JoiseyMom]

At the beginning I was more team Jon...not anymore. Yes she was controlling..but in some ways if he acted as childish as we have seen, she had enough to handle with 8 kids! Someone had to be in charge.

I don't believe he stopped the filming to protect the kids, everything has been about him him him. If you are that interested in your kids, then have the decency to not flaunt your gf and your toys in the media. He is like a kid with a new toy and freedom. Well you are not a kid you are an adult with a responsibility to 8 children.

The fact that he took all the moeny out of a joint account that is used to pay househould expenses against a court ordered arbitrater tells me that he is a moron and so is his attorney.

If he is aiming to lose custody..he is has almost reached his goal. What person in their right mind, who says he wants what is in the best interest of the kids, stops their livlihood dead, and then wipes out a bank account?? This is in the best interest of Jon (or he thinks it is).

Jon is a sore loser..he doesn't like that TLC has taken Kate's side adn he was tossed aside. It is revenge and stupidity!!

That felt good to get off my chest!!

 

[KAMLEM]

They are both jerks and their kids have become brats.

How do you know that from watching an edited, 20 minute clip of their lives each week? That's a little harsh.

 

[wdwfan16]

What would that solve? There would still be a mortgage on that house, both houses actually.

I said to dump the million dollar home. They own 720K on a 1.3M home. If they priced it right they could pay off the mortgage and maybe the smaller home.

To those of you that said she should be able to provide for her kids on a 9-5 job - would YOU hire her?

A women with 8 children sure. Kate the *****, no.

 

[Planogirl]

Am I the only person who has never watched this? I don't get the fascination.

 

[Allison]

You are giving Jon way too much credit. He stopped the filming after TLC cut him out. He's not concerned for his kids, he's concerned for his wallet.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Nope--can't do it. The vibes Jon is sending off let's me know that he is no better than Kate at best. Just b/c someone is disliked in a relationship--doesn't automatically elevate the other person to sainthood.

I think Jon is a creep. His summer stint in the tabloids didn't help his case.

 

[DWGal210]

They are both abominations as far as parents/parenting goes. I think she is a relentless harpy who drove her husband away and a complete shill who sold her children to the highest bidder (and TLC is a shameful participant as well).

I think Jon is a weiner man-child who took the cheap loser way out of his troubled marriage by cheating on his wife. I maintain, anyone who is THAT unhappy needs counseling first and a divorce second, and cheating NEVER. No excuse to go outside the marriage, no matter how much of a relentless harpy your spouse is.

I don't watch the show...not one episode. It breaks my heart for those kids.

Why is this unsalvagable family still news? WHY does TLC still want the show on???

EXACTLY what I was thinking - well said. They are both missing a few marbles.

 

[clutter]

Ok, old-timers help me here. I seem to recall that when Jon and Kate first had their babies (before they were Jon and Kate), they were looking for the community to support their family. I mean, they started shopping the kids as soon as they were born. The thought of actually earning a living by means other than publicity wasn't really on the table. That said, I think they both got in over their heads. I think Kate wants the publicity as a family and Jon wants it as a 'hot guy.'

Frankly, I've never watched the show, just read some of the reports in the press because they both disgust me.

 

[DWGal210]

I said to dump the million dollar home. They own 720K on a 1.3M home. If they priced it right they could pay off the mortgage and maybe the smaller home.QUOTE]

I was very surprised to hear they have a mortgage on their house. You think that they would have bought out-right a home they could afford to pay cash for, not a large home they can't afford. And that, my friends, is the reason they NEED to be doing this show; to me it doesn't look as though they are managing their funds and now NEED to do the show for the $$$. Cause you and I both know that they aren't going to be able to get "real" jobs after all this. Would would hire them?!

 

[Tink888]

I'll admit that I was on his side in the beginning. After the way Kate treated him it was no wonder the guy left.

Now I can't side with either of them. She plays up the victim role, he's immature. I think the only reason he stopped production was because TLC cut him out of his slice of the pie. They both need to grow up.

Ten years from now they'll be able to watch footage of all this garbage and hopefully will be ashamed of themselves and sadly, their kids will be able to watch it too.

 

[Ppufi]

I think that Jon is pissed that his name's removed from the title, or something ridiculous, and he's now flipping the bird at TLC. Such a big baby.

 

[2bearsmom]

I am totally on Jon's side and always have been. Kate loves the attention, she loves the money and fame, she loves her new self. She claims she never really wanted all this but she really pushed for it and now she has it. She doesn't need to be going on morning news programs to talk yet again about the poor me, look what Jon did to me etc. They should have ended the show when he wanted to but then how would they go on vacation? Who would pay for their surgeries? How else would she get her name and picture in the tabloids? So he finally stands up for himself and tells her he's had enough of her "abuse" and everyone takes her side? If he was treating her the way she treated him (always talking down to him, yelling at him, he can't parent good enough, he can't dress the kids good enough etc) everyone would call him abusive and controlling and what her to leave him. But now everyone thinks she's this poor helpless victim.

I watched the show years ago when it was just a special. My ds's always liked watching the show, watching the kids on it as they are the same ages. Her behavior is nothing new, it's just gotten much worse over the years. I'm surprised he didn't leave years ago, like when there was just Jon and Kate plus 2, before she just had to have one more child.

 

[monkey68]

And how exactly are they supposed to provide food, clothing, shelter, medical care, not to mention education for their 8 children? I do think Kate is thinking about the kids. I think she is thinking about how much it has and is going to cost to raise them. Let's face it, this family needs the ca$h the show provides! A regular 9 to 5 is not going to cut it. As long as the kids don't mind, I say go for it.

I gotta disagree with you on that. There are plenty of large families where they can do all that. You just need to live within your means, cut out some of the frivoulous things like all the vacations, the plastic surgery, the professional highlighting, the fake tans, etc. Suddenly, it all becomes much more manageable. And I really doubt they're managing their money very well, at all. They must have made loads off of TLC, and all their guest appearances, and books, and whatnot. If they have some of it saved up, they could probably get by until all the hooplah dies down and someone might consider hiring them for a real job.

Right now, I can't see any legit company hiring either one of them for a real job, but give it a few months away from the camera's and all the drama, and it would quickly become "Kate who?"

 

[disneyfanforever]

I used to be Team Jon until he started going out with all the 20 year olds and started acting like he had lost his mind. Kate was controlling and annoying, but with 8 kids you probably to have be in some ways. I think if Jon was in charge all of the time, he probably would have lost one or two of the kids because he was so relaxed and unorganized at times.

I just saw the clip of Nancy Grace with Jon and couldn't stop smiling. It is about time someone sticks it to him. She said what many people have been wanting to say to him. Nancy Grace annoys the heck out of me, but I loved watching her go at Jon. Do I think Kate is playing up the role of victim? Sure, but I think she is definitely more right in this situation than he is. He needs to grow up and act like a man with 8 kids.

 

[Chicago526]

I think the biggest bad "guy" here is TLC. They have all the raw footage before it gets edited down and aired, their crew(s) are in the home all the time. They MUST have seen the wheels comming off this thing way in advance, maybe even before Jon and Kate even fully realized it. Instead of signing the most recent contract, TLC should have just told them "Look, we're all about reality, but not at the expense of your family, and some of the stuff we've been seeing really concerns us. So we'll split the difference and just do a two hour annual special, and you can go back to focusing on your marriage and your family." Jon and Kate still get some income, TLC gets an annual special, and in theory at least, they would have had the time and privacy to attempt to work things out.

But no...TLC saw the money the show was raking in and were just as greedy as Jon and Kate, who at least had the excuse of needing to put 8 kids through college some day. All they cared about was the money, to hell with everyone else.

 

[Free4Life11]

I gotta disagree with you on that. There are plenty of large families where they can do all that. You just need to live within your means, cut out some of the frivoulous things like all the vacations, the plastic surgery, the professional highlighting, the fake tans, etc. Suddenly, it all becomes much more manageable.

But why cut it all out? Kate is NOT the only one benefitting from this show, the kids AND Jon have it pretty damn nice. And it's not like these kids are being abused or filmed 24/7/365. Why give all that up? Money may not buy you happiness but it buys nice things and provides opportunities!

Sure the parents have a bad relationship but there are millions of families out there who are NOT in the spotlight, and have the same troubled marriages or worse.

Jon is just a big baby and is mad he is getting cut out of the picture.

 

[mousefanmichelle]

I have so much to say but I will sum it up by saying that greed is really the ugly monster in this family (besides Kate sometimes lol!!). It's really too bad because all that those kids want is the love and attention and affection from their parents but the parents are so wrapped up in themselves and what they want that they can't see straight.
Actually maybe Kate never saw straight considering that it's the responsibility of everyone to help raise the kids since she had infertility issues - something like that right?

 

[monkey68]

But why cut it all out? Kate is NOT the only one benefitting from this show, the kids AND Jon have it pretty damn nice. And it's not like these kids are being abused or filmed 24/7/365. Why give all that up? Money may not buy you happiness but it buys nice things and provides opportunities!

Sure the parents have a bad relationship but there are millions of families out there who are NOT in the spotlight, and have the same troubled marriages or worse.

Jon is just a big baby and is mad he is getting cut out of the picture.

But how much the kids are really benefitting still remains to be seen, IMO. Sure they can buy all sorts of nice things, but is it really best for the kids that their family's dirty laundry is all out in the air? That they're getting talked about all over the country, and yet still have to go to school every day and face their peers? It can't be easy for those kids to not have a normal life. So yea, money buys opportunities, but what's the cost? Where do you draw the line on airing your dirty laundry? At what point do the parents stop thinking about $$ and focus on their kids and do what they need to do to be sure the kids are not suffering from having everything in the open.