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but "A day before New York Rep. Peter King called Michael Jackson a “pervert” unworthy of nonstop media coverage, the aunt of a U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan on the same day Jackson died asked why her nephew's death went virtually unnoticed while the King of Pop got memorial shrines across the country."

how can the two even be compared at all?

:confused3

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530361,00.html?test=latestnews
 
Of course they can't be compared. One person died a hero fighting for our freedom and the other was a freak who touched kids who the world is better off without (as we are with all child molesters). The death of any pop star or athlete deserves a 5 minute sound bite and then the news should go back to the things that matter in real life:

War
Coups in Central America
Voter rebellion and missile tests in the middle east.
Bills being signed into law that aren't even being read
Flu vaccination legislation being pushed by the CDC

All of these things are more important than the death of any celebrity and no matter how many records that celebrity sold he or she (especially after holding sleepovers and giving kids "Jesus Juice") should not get the news coverage he is getting.
 
but "A day before New York Rep. Peter King called Michael Jackson a “pervert” unworthy of nonstop media coverage, the aunt of a U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan on the same day Jackson died asked why her nephew's death went virtually unnoticed while the King of Pop got memorial shrines across the country."

how can the two even be compared at all?

:confused3

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530361,00.html?test=latestnews

Well, the nephew fought for his country and deserves recognition. A child molesting musician doesn't deserve any. :sad2:
 

Of course they can't be compared. One person died a hero fighting for our freedom and the other was a freak who touched kids who the world is better off without (as we are with all child molesters). The death of any pop star or athlete deserves a 5 minute sound bite and then the news should go back to the things that matter in real life:

War
Coups in Central America
Voter rebellion and missile tests in the middle east.
Bills being signed into law that aren't even being read
Flu vaccination legislation being pushed by the CDC

All of these things are more important than the death of any celebrity and no matter how many records that celebrity sold he or she (especially after holding sleepovers and giving kids "Jesus Juice") should not get the news coverage he is getting.

um, not quite what I was thinking....who says what matters in "real" life? People die every day from various things, do they all deserve front page news? That is what I gathered this "aunt" was spouting out about.
 
um, not quite what I was thinking....who says what matters in "real" life? People die every day from various things, do they all deserve front page news? That is what I gathered this "aunt" was spouting out about.

EXACTLY! MJ is not more important than the thousands of other people who died last week from heart ailments. If I had to chose one person to spend a week covering the soldier is much more deserving than MJ. I wonder how many doctors died over the last week that spent their lives saving others. How many policeman and fireman that spent their lives saving others. These people deserve more than a celebrity that did nothing more than sell some albums. Even if he didn't touch the kids (which if you believe that you are as dumb as they come) he is merely a pop star.
 
so glad you two seem to know the "whole truth"!

What good did Michael Jackson ever do for anyone? Someone dies fighting for your freedom and you glorify a man who deserved to be put in prison? I honestly don't see what you people are thinking....
 
EXACTLY! MJ is not more important than the thousands of other people who died last week from heart ailments. If I had to chose one person to spend a week covering the soldier is much more deserving than MJ. I wonder how many doctors died over the last week that spent their lives saving others. How many policeman and fireman that spent their lives saving others. These people deserve more than a celebrity that did nothing more than sell some albums. Even if he didn't touch the kids (which if you believe that you are as dumb as they come) he is merely a pop star.

Agreed. And stated greatly in my opinion.
 
EXACTLY! MJ is not more important than the thousands of other people who died last week from heart ailments. If I had to chose one person to spend a week covering the soldier is much more deserving than MJ. I wonder how many doctors died over the last week that spent their lives saving others. How many policeman and fireman that spent their lives saving others. These people deserve more than a celebrity that did nothing more than sell some albums. Even if he didn't touch the kids (which if you believe that you are as dumb as they come) he is merely a pop star.

thanks!
w/e..you obviously don't get it.
 
EXACTLY! MJ is not more important than the thousands of other people who died last week from heart ailments. If I had to chose one person to spend a week covering the soldier is much more deserving than MJ. I wonder how many doctors died over the last week that spent their lives saving others. How many policeman and fireman that spent their lives saving others. These people deserve more than a celebrity that did nothing more than sell some albums. Even if he didn't touch the kids (which if you believe that you are as dumb as they come) he is merely a pop star.

have you visited other countries, other places that may not be as up to par in communications as the US? Can you really not see what an impact MJ had on others around the entire world?
 
have you visited other countries, other places that may not be as up to par in communications as the US? Can you really not see what an impact MJ had on others around the entire world?

If you haven't noticed, the US Armed Forces has done much more for most of these countries than a pop star could ever do.
 
Recognition how? Across every news page and channel in the US, that is what it seems his "aunt" wanted. He also signed up for it right?

He could have AT LEAST been on the cover of his local newspaper, and I can almost guarantee that Michael Jackson was instead. Most of the time, the news stations will mention the death of a solider, and for this man, I heard nothing. And he signed up to protect your rights, may I remind you
 
...(which if you believe that you are as dumb as they come)..

Wow.

The person you seem to honor in your sig and avatar isn't high on my respect and honor list, but I'm not going to call you names because we differ on what sort of person we believe he is.



When my mom died, I wanted the world to stop. But ultimately, she didn't touch very many lives. I mean, there were LOTS of people at her funeral, and plenty more who couldn't come. She knew lots of people in her lifetime and she was a terrific person. She also worked for the CIA in the counterterrorism department, and her speciality was the middle east, and she died exactly 1.5 years before 9/11, so if she'd NOT died, she might have saved untold lives...but of course at her funeral we didn't know what was to come and didn't know what she could have kept from happening if that medical error hadn't happened.

But the world didn't come to a stop, not even for a nanosecond, and she didn't have a funeral at a huge Center, because not that many people knew of her.

A pop star, even if you deride such things, is a part of peoples' lives. When Simon LeBon of Duran Duran dies, I will mourn. When Madonna dies, I will mourn. They were a HUGE part of my early and later teen years. Their music spoke to me, it was the soundtrack for my early life.

Michael Jackson's music was playing BEFORE those others did; I remember a car trip to Yellowstone when I was about 10, during which I tormented my dad and brother by playing my Off The Wall CD repeatedly. It was even a newfangled tape player that would automatically play the other side of the tape, so there was no break for them. :)

His music was a huge part of a long period of my life, and his death made me very very sad.

I do not know anything other than he was acquitted of the things he was accused of. I know that if my child were abused, there is no amount of money that would make me keep it from the police, even if I knew I was going to lose. First the police stuff, then the civil suit. The fact that some families took money and didn't press charges tells me that NOTHING happened to their children, b/c the concept of saying nothing b/c of money is absolutely impossible for me to fathom. But ultimately I don't know; none of us know. So to name-call like that is just ridiculous.


A soldier knows that death is a possibility. Any soldier who joins up without knowing this...well...they aren't paying attention. If my son ever joins the service, I will start mourning him in my heart, because I very well know the possible outcome of it. Same if he becomes a race car driver...there are just some professions that have higher risks.

But one soldier isn't known by billions. One mother isn't known by billions. Therefore, the interest isn't there in hearing about the minutiae of their lives...unless you'd like me to talk about her ad nauseum? No, I didn't think so. You're just not that interested.

But I do wonder how long you will talk and think about and mourn Lance Armstrong, once he dies. I surely know I will lose interest after 2 seconds IF that long, while your interest will likely go on much longer. Perhaps thinking of it THAT way... knowing that there are some who don't find him to be a very moral man, not a standup man, not an honorable man... can help you find some common ground with those who mourn Michael Jackson.
 
Well, if a pop star means more to you than your rights, go ahead and believe that.

you have no idea what I believe - my whole point was, no matter how you feel about MJ, most everyone around the world knows who he is, whether you want to believe it or not, he was and will be a role model to many - his three children I am sure. (maybe not all aspects of his life but many)

bumbershoot - I agree with you, thanks for your post.
 
But I do wonder how long you will talk and think about and mourn Lance Armstrong, once he dies. I surely know I will lose interest after 2 seconds IF that long, while your interest will likely go on much longer. Perhaps thinking of it THAT way... knowing that there are some who don't find him to be a very moral man, not a standup man, not an honorable man... can help you find some common ground with those who mourn Michael Jackson.

You are missing my entire point. It is not that you should not morn whom you want to morn. It is that the news should not spend days or weeks covering anyone's death. When Lance dies I would expect the same. The news should state he died, maybe spend 5 minutes recalling what he did, and then move on to what is important. NO athlete or pop star is worthy of the coverage he is getting. There have been presidents who didn't get this amount of coverage and all they were (regardless of what you though about their politics) was leader of the free world.

Feel free to morn for anyone you want but pop stars and athletes are pretty much useless in the grand scheme of the world, even Lance.
 











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