How to save $$$ Italy/France

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We got awesome flight prices from Boston to Paris and are going for 16 days late Sep/early Oct to celebrate my 50TH :cake: :bday: We really want to see Venice and Florence as well, but to book an open jaw ticket way waaaaaay more expensive so we are considering landing in Paris and taking a low cost airline to Venice. We will spend 3 days in Venice, train to Florence, spend 3 days there then fly to Paris from there. I am 99% sure we will rent an apartment in Paris. Can any of you budget gurus give me some money and time saving tips? We are definitely not on a "stay in a hostel" type budget but have a big family Disney trip to pay for in the spring. TIA
 
So far as lodging costs go, I would recommend trying various combinations of days of the week in Florence and Venice. My cousin had booked a few nights in Venice that included a couple of weekend nights and the rates were a lot higher for those nights, though I forget now which exact nights were higher. So you might be able to save by doing the weekend nights in Florence say, if possible, instead. Though maybe they are higher there too then. If you have internet access while there, check the train prices. A buy one/ get one free fare came up online and if we hadn't known about it at the train ticket window, would never have received it. Also there was more than one train company, and sometimes one was cheaper than another. I think Trenitalia was the alternate rail company that had windows at the Florence train station. One woman there had just purchased a ticket to Venice and couldn't believe how inexpensive it was. For an inexpensive but delicious meal in Florence, there was a sandwich shop called All'antico vinao that was great. Large, and just 5 euros and served on warm focaccia bread, it was a definite standout. Instead of paying for a view of Florence from on high , there is a nice view of the city from a Church, San Miaiato al Monte, up the hill on the other side of the Arno. You can walk, though it is uphill on the way there, and there was a city bus that leaves from alongside the train station that takes you there. There was also a nice restaurant in Venice that was reasonable, for Venice, and had an all inclusive menu. I'll see if I can find the name. Also, if you think you will make a lot of use of the vaporetto in Venice, they offer unlimited ride tickets for one day, two days, etc. They were not inexpensive, but each trip singly was 7 euros I believe. But overall Venice was also more walkable than I had expected.
 
We got awesome flight prices from Boston to Paris and are going for 16 days late Sep/early Oct to celebrate my 50TH :cake: :bday: We really want to see Venice and Florence as well, but to book an open jaw ticket way waaaaaay more expensive so we are considering landing in Paris and taking a low cost airline to Venice. We will spend 3 days in Venice, train to Florence, spend 3 days there then fly to Paris from there. I am 99% sure we will rent an apartment in Paris. Can any of you budget gurus give me some money and time saving tips? We are definitely not on a "stay in a hostel" type budget but have a big family Disney trip to pay for in the spring. TIA
I don't have any advice, but I hope you have a fantastic trip. :) Sounds wonderful!
 
A friend of mine is planning a UK trip for the fall and mentioned that she is using AirBnB for all of her sleeping arrangements. It's allowed her to save money over some of the hotels they were looking at but still be in the best neighbourhoods for tourist activities and in nice apartments. Having the ability to cook a bit would be a money saver as well.
Have you looked into travelling by train between cities? I haven't priced it but wondered if it might save you some money over the flight to Paris from Florence.
 

We will fly from Paris to Venice then train from Venice to Florence and fly Florence (Pisa) back to Paris. Flying between Italy and France and inexpensive and convenient. If the train trip between Paris and Venice were shorter I would prefer it but I think flying is the way to go. We are definitely looking into renting an apartment once we get to Paris as we will be there a full week. I believe our only option for Venice and Florence will be a hotel since they are only 3 night stys.
 
I haven't been to those particular areas of Italy, but I did several short study abroad trips to a small city in Italy during college. Our first stop after checking in at the hotel was the grocery store or open air market, if there was a market that day. I was amazed by how much cheaper (and better quality) basic grocery items were compared to the US! We would stock up on a few basic snack foods and wine, which reduced the amount of money we spent eating out. Some wine, bread, cheese, and prosciutto makes for a great and inexpensive lunch! Plus, we'd keep fresh fruit on hand for a quick snack. Sometimes we'd also stop at the local bakery and/or street pizza stands for inexpensive lunches. Also, breakfasts were extremely cheap. I remember getting a cappuccino and a pastry for under 5 euros. Just an FYI, there is no need to tip in Italy (and I believe the same goes for France, although maybe someone else can confirm that). Their staff are paid full wages so they don't rely on tips as part of their salary, and it can actually be kind of awkward to try to tip them.

Sounds like an awesome way to celebrate your 50th!
 
Venice is expensive but worth the splurge to stay in the city. (I stayed at the Locanda Orseolo which was amazing! http://www.locandaorseolo.com/) You can save money staying on the mainland but you lose a lot of time travelling into Venice everyday. I stayed in a hotel in Florence that was recommended by Rick Steves and it was great. I can't remember the name but it was near the train station so an easy walk as I used the train between cities. Book your train tickets online via the direct train website (there will be an option for English).

I found a wealth of information on the Rick Steves website and his guidebooks. www.ricksteves.com He has some great *free* audio walking tours for Venice, Florence, and Paris that are fantastic as well as his printed walking tours from his guidebooks. Restaurants are more expensive but you can pick up things at the grocery or markets and make your own meals.

In Florence, pre-book the Academia (where David is) and the Uffizi so you don't waste time standing in line.

I don't know if you like Monet, but if you do, go see the L'Orangie. Seeing the Water Lilly paintings in person is awe inspiring. Go out to Versailles as well. It's a short train ride from the city center. Disneyland Paris is a short ride on the RER from the city center as well. Don't bother staying on site at DL..the hotels are expensive. Lots of cheaper places nearby. You only need 2 days at DLP.

HTH

Jill in CO
 
Venice is expensive but worth the splurge to stay in the city. (I stayed at the Locanda Orseolo which was amazing! http://www.locandaorseolo.com/) You can save money staying on the mainland but you lose a lot of time travelling into Venice everyday. I stayed in a hotel in Florence that was recommended by Rick Steves and it was great. I can't remember the name but it was near the train station so an easy walk as I used the train between cities. Book your train tickets online via the direct train website (there will be an option for English).

I found a wealth of information on the Rick Steves website and his guidebooks. www.ricksteves.com He has some great *free* audio walking tours for Venice, Florence, and Paris that are fantastic as well as his printed walking tours from his guidebooks. Restaurants are more expensive but you can pick up things at the grocery or markets and make your own meals.

Rick Steves also has the BEST phrase books! It's easy to find what you need, and he also throws in some funny phrases to keep things light.
 
My family of four spent last Christmas in Paris and had a WONDERFUL time. We rented an apartment from Paris Best Lodge...late last year, Paris city government was cracking down on illegal vacation rentals (long, long story on that...go to a travel site such as Fodors and search their forums for more info). To be safe, instead of AirBnB, we went with an apartment rental agency with a really good reputation, because I felt that if the apartment we rented was taken off the market because of issues with the city government, the agency would be able to fit us into a similar space. We had no issues at all, and I don't know if Paris is still cracking down (there are *so many* vacation rentals), but it's something to be aware of.

We stayed for a week and rented a 'large for Paris' one bedroom apartment so that the four of us, two adults and two kids, could stretch out. Our apartment was the street behind Musee D'Orsay, right in the center of the things we most wanted to see. We might have been able to find hotel accommodations for less than we payed for the week, but the hotel would not have been as centrally located and would not have had as much room or a fully working kitchen! The price was worth it for the space, and for the ability to eat at our apartment.

Speaking of eating...a great way to save money is to buy at grocery stores and eat at your apartment or to pack picnics. We had maybe four take out meals (falafel in Marais, two meals from stalls in the Christmas market, and takeout Chinese) and various pastries while we were on the go, but other than the falafel, our food made in the apartment was better. The quality of foodstuffs in the markets in Paris was just amazing. We had baguettes and pastries and cheese and pate and ham and fruit...we baked a fantastic chicken for Christmas, bought pre-made, refrigerated soup to warm up at home (my oldest son still talks about this soup), and of course had lots of chocolate. OH, and very good, very inexpensive wine. And probably the best yogurt I've ever had. A frozen pizza that my kids loved loved loved (it was really good). And a really, really, really good pre-made beef and carrot stew. And other things I am forgetting :) .

Groceries are not cheap in Paris compared to most places in the U.S., but eating that way is certainly cheaper than eating out. Plus, the variety of quick to make food items (bread/cheese/pate) with really good pre-made things make food prep in the apartment easy peasy. Plus, plus, I love shopping at groceries outside of the U.S. and found great things to take home as gifts (soap, hand cream, chocolate, coffee, jars of pate, jars of herbs de provence, etc.). We didn't eat out because of our kids, but if we get to go again, I'll plan a couple of sit down meals and easily do the rest in our apartment.

Other notes:

1) Check out the museum card. If you plan on going to a lot of museums, the card could very well save you lots of money. However, you have to go to a LOT of museums to see the benefit. If you just want to hit a few large ones, you will do better paying entry fees at the museum. Caveat to that...the card can also save you time, because you can bypass long lines for same-day tickets and just go into the museum.

2) The Louvre is sometimes open late and is much less crowded during these hours. I don't have recent info, but years ago, DH and I spent Thanksgiving in Paris and visited the Louvre on a Friday night (IIRC). Not very crowded at all, which made it easier for us to see the sections we wanted to see in much less time.

3) This is not a cost saving measure, but we did a scavenger hunt at the Louvre with our kids through thatlou.com. It was absolutely a fabulous way to see much of the museum, hit highlights, but also see lesser known (but still spectacular) works of art. Very worthwhile for us. It was great for our kids, but I'd do it again with just DH!

4) This recent trip, we saved by walking a fair amount. We had two young kids, so walking was imperative to wearing them out...but walking from the Sewer Museum to the Military Museum back to our apartment behind D'Orsay was very doable. There are more interesting neighborhoods to stay in, but in being so central, we didn't have to rely on public transportation too much.

5) Parks are free, beautiful, and offer great people watching. We also like browsing in department stores...their kitchen and hardware areas are a treasure trove, lol. Just walking around side streets is free and offered fantastic window shopping. Outside of a handful of museums and monuments (Eiffel Tower, Louvre, Arch, Military Museum, Sewer Museum, Notre Dame/Gargoyles), we didn't spend money to see things. We just did a lot of playing and people watching in parks, walked through pedestrian areas and Christmas markets and department stores, and took night walks on the Seine to watch the Eiffel Tower glitter on the hour...and it was a great time.

Sorry for blathering, but Paris really was amazing!
 
Can't comment on Italy but we were in Paris this past October. Number 1, be prepared for rain! I was told that we were extremely lucky to not see any rain as it's the rainiest time of the year. Number 2, definitely check Airbnb, we have used it in Paris and Munich and are using it for Budapest, Vienna and Prague this winter. We saved so much money and the convenience of having a washer/dryer, free internet, a small kitchen, etc. made our trip amazing. To top it off, you are able to stay in areas that are a bit less touristy and live more like a local. You can shop for your food at the markets instead of always having to eat out. Honestly, was probably the best decision we made. If you decide to do this, just make sure you find one that has a lot of reviews. Every apartment I've booked has had at least 25 reviews, just to be on the safe side.

Not a budget friendly option but I recommend a tour from the Fat Tire Bike company. The tour guides are fantastic, our day at Versailles was one of the best days of our trip. Not a fan of the interior of Versailles, entirely too crowded, but the gardens and the town itself made the tour well worth it.

If you can, definitely get the museum pass and try to visit the Louvre later in the day. Much less crowded, we were actually able to get right up to the rope to view the Mona Lisa, which is very difficult. The museum pass saves you from standing in those super long lines.

Also, if you like to enjoy a few drinks, buy your wine/beer at the grocery store. We were astounded by how cheap it was!

Stohrer - find it and buy croissants for breakfast! They also had other fantastic pastries and desserts. Our apartment was feet from the one on Rue Montorgueil and we got breakfast from there every morning.
 
I've spent significant time in all three cities, and I think your timeline and plans to fly are spot on.

I can particularly recommend the Hotel Romagna in Florence, as I've stayed there twice. It's a perfect location with affordable, clean rooms and a great staff. No elevator, but they'll carry your bags up if you wish. I can also recommend some amazing restaurants that are also a good value.

For Venice, please don't skimp on location. We stayed near San Marco, and it was great. Memorable food is harder and more expensive to find there, but the gelato is pretty great.

Paris, ah, Paris. Rick Steves recommends hotels near Rue Cler, but I prefer staying in the 13th, near Place d'Italie. It's a bit further out, but affordable and well connected via metro to all the sights you want to see. An AirBnB is a great idea, especially if you can stay in the 6th or 7th.
 
I knew I was right to post here. You guys are sooo helpful! I did add a night to Venice so we will have almost 4 days in Venice, 3 days in Florence and a full week in Paris. I am about to book a well reviewed hotel across from the Academia in Venice. For Paris , we are leaning towards an apartment rental as we love to cook and will definitely get the museum pass for there. Just being able to skip some lines makes it worth it to us. I am now going to look up Hotel Romagna in Florence as that is next on my list of things to reserve. I welcome all suggestions for restaurants, tours, etc. Three European cities is a lot to plan for in a relatively short amount of time!
 
We used vrbo to rent apartments in Italy, but airbnb would work too. We are using them for Prague. Excellent prices and choice. I prefer apartments to hotels.
 
We used Easyjet to fly from Rome to Milan. Sometimes flying on budget airlines is even cheaper than taking the train.

We used Trenitalia to go all over Italy. By booking online a few weeks ahead of time, we paid the same for first or business class as we would've normally paid for second class. Try that. Much nicer way to travel.
 
You may want to check out the Disneyland Paris or UK boards. They'll probably have the best advice for europe vacations. That's where I learned the ins and outs of the Paris metro and found the best deals for our trip last September.
 
We did our babymoon in Paris last May and it was the best week ever. I am so jealous of your upcoming trip!
Definitely, AirBnB was fabulous. We were in the Latin Quarter and it was fabulous. Also, fully recommend making your own picnics (we tended to hit cafes for lunch, then eat on our balcony for dinner) - though use the grocery store sparingly. One of the best things about Paris is the opportunity to go to the bakery, cheese shop, wine shop, produce stand, etc.
We did NOT have good luck with Rick Steeves -many of the things he highly recommended we ended up being disappointed with (I'm looking at you, Versailles). All the 'hidden gems' he recommended were already discovered by everyone else with his book. I will say I found some of his walking tours helpful and his information on phrases and culture. Probably the best sit-down meal we had was at Chartier, but I was in love with the jambon e beurre sandwiches and just as happy with a baguette and macarons, so take that for what it's worth.
We ended up really loving the tours we did. The official one at the Louvre helped us get a LOT more out of it than we would have ordinarily and I highly recommend it. Hands-down the best thing we did all week was a food tour at Montmartre (http://www.secretfoodtours.com/paris/paris-montmartre/). Basically, we spent a couple hours going to all the little shops to talk to the proprietors/learn about the area and collect supplies for a FABULOUS picnic behind Sacre Coeur.
I want to go back! :) :)
 
We did our babymoon in Paris last May and it was the best week ever. I am so jealous of your upcoming trip!
Definitely, AirBnB was fabulous. We were in the Latin Quarter and it was fabulous. Also, fully recommend making your own picnics (we tended to hit cafes for lunch, then eat on our balcony for dinner) - though use the grocery store sparingly. One of the best things about Paris is the opportunity to go to the bakery, cheese shop, wine shop, produce stand, etc.
We did NOT have good luck with Rick Steeves -many of the things he highly recommended we ended up being disappointed with (I'm looking at you, Versailles). All the 'hidden gems' he recommended were already discovered by everyone else with his book. I will say I found some of his walking tours helpful and his information on phrases and culture. Probably the best sit-down meal we had was at Chartier, but I was in love with the jambon e beurre sandwiches and just as happy with a baguette and macarons, so take that for what it's worth.
We ended up really loving the tours we did. The official one at the Louvre helped us get a LOT more out of it than we would have ordinarily and I highly recommend it. Hands-down the best thing we did all week was a food tour at Montmartre (http://www.secretfoodtours.com/paris/paris-montmartre/). Basically, we spent a couple hours going to all the little shops to talk to the proprietors/learn about the area and collect supplies for a FABULOUS picnic behind Sacre Coeur.
I want to go back! :) :)
Thank you for this. It seems we have similar eating habits while on vacation . We love to eat street food, picnic, etc. We have booked a studio apartment in the Marais so that we can cook some meals. Do you speak French? Also, I have read that wine is inexpensive and food is more expensive compared to the US in cafes. What was your experience? I am going to research the two tours you recommended. . We are looking into buying the museum passes for Paris. Did the official Louvre tour you took include admission? Again, thanks for the specific advice. It is really helpful :chat:
 
Ryan Air is very inexpensive, but like spirit air you have to pay for all the extras. Worth looking at. Coffee in Italy, or at least in Rome, is most expensive if you sit inside, less expensive if you sit outside, and cheapest if you stand. Spend all your money on gelato, I am like totally serious about this one.
 
We did our babymoon in Paris last May and it was the best week ever. I am so jealous of your upcoming trip!
Definitely, AirBnB was fabulous. We were in the Latin Quarter and it was fabulous. Also, fully recommend making your own picnics (we tended to hit cafes for lunch, then eat on our balcony for dinner) - though use the grocery store sparingly. One of the best things about Paris is the opportunity to go to the bakery, cheese shop, wine shop, produce stand, etc.
We did NOT have good luck with Rick Steeves -many of the things he highly recommended we ended up being disappointed with (I'm looking at you, Versailles). All the 'hidden gems' he recommended were already discovered by everyone else with his book. I will say I found some of his walking tours helpful and his information on phrases and culture. Probably the best sit-down meal we had was at Chartier, but I was in love with the jambon e beurre sandwiches and just as happy with a baguette and macarons, so take that for what it's worth.
We ended up really loving the tours we did. The official one at the Louvre helped us get a LOT more out of it than we would have ordinarily and I highly recommend it. Hands-down the best thing we did all week was a food tour at Montmartre (http://www.secretfoodtours.com/paris/paris-montmartre/). Basically, we spent a couple hours going to all the little shops to talk to the proprietors/learn about the area and collect supplies for a FABULOUS picnic behind Sacre Coeur.
I want to go back! :) :)

I can't believe you didn't like Versailles! I loved it and only went to the gardens! Couldn't agree more with Montmartre and the Sacre Coeur, beautiful, wonderful, fantastic food, but also very crowded.

OP: when you go to the eiffel tower, there will be people like vultures trying to sell you crap or get you to sign petitions and all sorts of nonsense, just ignore them, no eye contact and a firm no will be good. Pick pockets are everywhere at the eiffel tower so be careful. Enjoy the ride up, the view is cliche but worth it. I also recommend climbing the steps at the Arc de Triumph, beautiful view, maybe even a bit more magical than the eiffel tower.

BTW: did you ever watch the show Merlin?
 















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