How much Water does one MAN Need???

We got about 5-10 minutes of heavy downpour last night, but that's it.

This morning when I walked outside the ground was dry as if it had never rained at all. :sad2:
 
As for this man using all the water in that huge house, he's a symbol of what's wrong in this country. He uses all that water because he thinks of nothing but himself. He has the mindset that since he has the money and ability to use all that water, that it's his right and screw everyone else. The "let them eat cake" mentality gets really old, especially in a time of crisis, like this water shortage for example.

This is the mentality that makes me link wasteful use of ANY resource together. If someone like this will use water regardless of the needs of others, he will also use other resources without consideration for the rest of the world as well.
 
And no "I was wrong" ever admitted, as usual.



To me that's a clear sign that a person has allowed a political or personal ideology to interfere with the true reality of the situation. I don't understand that kind of mindset. I'm so tired of seeing people placing the blame at just one person or just one political party's doorstep, when in reality there's plenty to go around. Placing the blame solely on Carter for the gas crisis, is proof of that. I had enough with the selective history retelling here. :sad2:
 
This is the mentality that makes me link wasteful use of ANY resource together. If someone like this will use water regardless of the needs of others, he will also use other resources without consideration for the rest of the world as well.



Exactly and good point made. That's the "let them eat cake" mentality I'm talking about. It's not a liberal position to want to conserve, though some will try and paint it this way. I have seen previous debates on this board turn out that way. Trying to conserve and being concerned about America's resources is to me, a matter of national security in some ways. It does America no good to consume and waste the amount of oil and other resources we do. The faster we can cutoff our dependence on foreign oil and take some of the strain off our national power grids, etc, etc, the better off we will be. Some Americans should realise that being patriotic is a lot more work than just waving a flag or putting a vinyl decal on the back of their car. We're all in this together, if you think about it.
 

And no "I was wrong" ever admitted, as usual.
As you can see, not entirely wrong.

Back in the 1973-1974 period and in 1979, folks waited for an hour or more on gasoline lines that at times stretched for miles, and people could only buy gas on alternate days, depending upon whether their license plate ended with an odd or even number. The federal government even printed gas-rationing coupons, although they were never used.
 
To me that's a clear sign that a person has allowed a political or personal ideology to interfere with the true reality of the situation. I don't understand that kind of mindset. I'm so tired of seeing people placing the blame at just one person or just one political party's doorstep, when in reality there's plenty to go around. Placing the blame solely on Carter for the gas crisis, is proof of that. I had enough with the selective history retelling here. :sad2:

Have you now! ? :rotfl2: Of course because it started during the Nixon years, still makes Carter the worst president in modern history, and I was a registered democrat then.
 
Exactly and good point made. That's the "let them eat cake" mentality I'm talking about. It's not a liberal position to want to conserve, though some will try and paint it this way. I have seen previous debates on this board turn out that way. Trying to conserve and being concerned about America's resources is to me, a matter of national security in some ways. It does America no good to consume and waste the amount of oil and other resources we do. The faster we can cutoff our dependence on foreign oil and take some of the strain off our national power grids, etc, etc, the better off we will be. Some Americans should realise that being patriotic is a lot more work than just waving a flag or putting a vinyl decal on the back of their car. We're all in this together, if you think about it.


The subtle point I was trying to make was that the same people who want to legislate against this person wasting resources would be SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER if anyone were to suggest that conservation be legislated in any other area.

If we don't start conserving resources on our own, it's going to come down to that, whether people like it or not. Assuming that the global demand for resources will continue to increase, it's really hard to imagine that there will not come a point where conservation will have to be imposed. Even small sacrifices made by everyone now, could make a difference in that reality. Sure, it's a long way down the road and some of us may no longer be in a position to care, but some of the young people we love will be.
 
Geez, can a thread not turn political just because somebody has a viewpoint that you don't like? This thread really isn't political.

On a side note, I'm ready for new water laws to be written enforcing the amount of water that can be used indoors as well.
 
Exactly and good point made. That's the "let them eat cake" mentality I'm talking about. It's not a liberal position to want to conserve, though some will try and paint it this way. I have seen previous debates on this board turn out that way. Trying to conserve and being concerned about America's resources is to me, a matter of national security in some ways. It does America no good to consume and waste the amount of oil and other resources we do. The faster we can cutoff our dependence on foreign oil and take some of the strain off our national power grids, etc, etc, the better off we will be. Some Americans should realise that being patriotic is a lot more work than just waving a flag or putting a vinyl decal on the back of their car. We're all in this together, if you think about it.

I think that the vast amount of Americans conserve, not only because it makes sense to do so, but it makes CENTS to do so. Very few people can afford NOT to concerve. I can tell you for a fact that I raise the temp of my house to 65 when I get up in the morning. At night it is 62. I wonder what personal contribution Al Gore makes, while he is preaching to the rest of us. The ONE thing that would make a tremendous impact would be to drill in ANWR. In fact, if it were announced tomorrow, we would see the price of oil fall, just on the announcement of it. It won't happen however as long as the dems hold a strangle hold on Alaska. Even the Alaskan citizenz would welcome the jobs and the stimulus to the economy. As long as we are being held hostage by the Crazy Chavez and the middle east, commodity traders will bid it up and we will all pay more at the pump.
 
I think that the vast amount of Americans conserve, not only because it makes sense to do so, but it makes CENTS to do so. Very few people can afford NOT to concerve. I can tell you for a fact that I raise the temp of my house to 65 when I get up in the morning. At night it is 62. I wonder what personal contribution Al Gore makes, while he is preaching to the rest of us. The ONE thing that would make a tremendous impact would be to drill in ANWR. In fact, if it were announced tomorrow, we would see the price of oil fall, just on the announcement of it. It won't happen however as long as the dems hold a strangle hold on Alaska. Even the Alaskan citizenz would welcome the jobs and the stimulus to the economy. As long as we are being held hostage by the Crazy Chavez and the middle east, commodity traders will bid it up and we will all pay more at the pump.


1. What the heck does Al Gore have to do with anything in this conversation? Seriously.

2. I'm really not getting into the ANWR thing here.
 
I'm suprised to hear about the water lawn rules. Here we have a big deficit of rain also and not quite down to rationing water but we aren't supposed to watering lawns or washing cars. In a suburb outside of Nashville, one guy had his water cut off because he wasn't following the new water rules. He had to pay something like a 1k fine and the hookup fees.
 
Geez, can a thread not turn political just because somebody has a viewpoint that you don't like? This thread really isn't political.

On a side note, I'm ready for new water laws to be written enforcing the amount of water that can be used indoors as well.

I think during a drought, that isn't unreasonable. I have a well and I still conserve. I only do full loads of laundry and I hang out my clothes when I can. Yesterday it was 60 degrees and I hung my towels out all day. After 10 hours they still weren't dry. Some things are just futile in the northeast after labor day. .
 
Have you now! ? :rotfl2: Of course because it started during the Nixon years, still makes Carter the worst president in modern history, and I was a registered democrat then.

Reading your posts makes me doubt highly that you were ever a Democrat.
 
1. What the heck does Al Gore have to do with anything in this conversation? Seriously.

2. I'm really not getting into the ANWR thing here.

The subject drifted to conservation of all resources, which included oil and "personal responsibility" for conserving. I was pointing out that he who preaches the loudest conserves the least.
 
The subject drifted to conservation of all resources, which included oil and "personal responsibility" for conserving. I was pointing out that he who preaches the loudest conserves the least.

It still wasn't relevant.
 
Reading your posts makes me doubt highly that you were ever a Democrat.

No, it is the truth, but then, I have a hard time believing that you were ever a Republican, so we are even.
 
Have you now! ? :rotfl2: Of course because it started during the Nixon years, still makes Carter the worst president in modern history, and I was a registered democrat then.



Come on now Dawn, lets look at this as sane, rational human beings that we both are capable of. If you ever have doubts on why you get some of the treatment you do on this board, look no further than this thread. You started the ball rolling by solely blaming Carter for the energy crisis, when most likely you knew that statement was incorrect.

Actually, I lived through the gasoline rationing of the Jimmy Carter era,

When salmoneous called you on your method of always doing this and BTW, people here do notice this, you ignored him.

=salmoneous;21791135]I'm always amused by Dawn's view of history. Good things happened under Republicans, bad things under Democrats. Her history makes for a much better story that those boring books we had in school.
70's Gas Rationing?
Dawn's history - happened in the "Carter Era"
Boring books - "Nixon and Ford Era"

I correctly pointed out that he was right and history shows that Nixon made mistakes in that area, especially with the price controls. He himself admitted in one of his many books, that price controls only made the shortages worse. So to blame Carter, who I'm no fan of BTW, is incorrect.

And no "I was wrong" ever admitted, as usual.

Here's proof that people are aware of your bias toward anything non Republican or that favors the Democrats. Just a little FYI, not everything the Republicans do or say is golden and not everything a Democrat says is bad or crap. I think what has gone in the past 7 years of the GWB Presidency has proven that. Would it have hurt you to admit that Carter wasn't the main cause of the energy crisis? What's wrong with a little honesty and admitting mistakes? Does everything have to be a contest of Republicans are better than the Democrats, in every conversation? I just don't get it.:confused3


QUOTE=disneyfan67;21793517]To me that's a clear sign that a person has allowed a political or personal ideology to interfere with the true reality of the situation. I don't understand that kind of mindset. I'm so tired of seeing people placing the blame at just one person or just one political party's doorstep, when in reality there's plenty to go around. Placing the blame solely on Carter for the gas crisis, is proof of that. I had enough with the selective history retelling here. :sad2:
[/QUOTE]

Have you now! ? :rotfl2: Of course because it started during the Nixon years, still makes Carter the worst president in modern history, and I was a registered democrat then.


My Post of above, which you basically ridiculed with your highlighting and remarks to it, is proof to me that you only believe in one side of story, your side, and you make history conform to it. My post above takes no favor in Democrats or Republicans and in my heart and mind, I truly believe that. I'm tired of blaming the Democrats for every problem our society faces and vice versa. It's one of the reasons why I don't listen to talk radio anymore or go to conservative only websites. I would rather hear a wide range of views from different people. Just hearing liberals are the cause for everything wrong and blaming them, doesn't cut it for me anymore. I need more than that to satisfy my intellectual curiosity.
 
Couldn't that logic be applied to other resources? What about gasoline? Could we not argue that those of us who drive SUV's are overusing a resource? The more of us that have and use large vehicles which take a LOT of gasoline to power means that there is less gasoline available for others. We've always made the arguement that we're willing to pay the high cost, so we should be allowed to have it. If gasoline was rationed like in WWII, more would be available for everyone and the bonus prize would be that the price would go down.

What about housing? Why should someone have 3 houses when that means that 2 of them sit empty for a good portion of the year? Isn't that reducing the number of houses available? If everyone only had one house, that would mean more houses available for others, and with more on the market the prices would be lower and more people could afford them.

How about food? Some of us have access to large quantities of food while others have limited access. Why should one family have all that extra food stored in their pantry when others have none? If we all only bought what we needed, there would be more for others, and again, the price would go down and more people could afford more options.

I agree that this guy is being greedy and should be stopped, but because I feel that way I started to think about how consistent my position is in regard to other resources.

There is a difference here.
Individuals don't have to have gasoline to live.
As for housing, food, clothing, etc, there is no shortage of these items. People that don't have them don't have them because they cannot afford them.

This guy is using up a resource that at the moment there is very little of that most people can afford. Plus, it is being rationed while the other things are not.
Water is a necessity to live. You have to have drinking water. You also have to have water to bathe in and keep things clean or germs and disease can spread.


Well, they haven't seen him physically watering his lawn because I'm sure he has the pop-up sprinklers installed that are set to water at about 1 a.m.!

This is my thought too. Either this or he has spinkler hoses buried just underground that may be constantly running.

Exactly and good point made. That's the "let them eat cake" mentality I'm talking about. It's not a liberal position to want to conserve, though some will try and paint it this way. I have seen previous debates on this board turn out that way. Trying to conserve and being concerned about America's resources is to me, a matter of national security in some ways. It does America no good to consume and waste the amount of oil and other resources we do. The faster we can cutoff our dependence on foreign oil and take some of the strain off our national power grids, etc, etc, the better off we will be. Some Americans should realise that being patriotic is a lot more work than just waving a flag or putting a vinyl decal on the back of their car. We're all in this together, if you think about it.

ITA!
While I am mostly liberal, I lean on the conservative side.
But, I don't subscribe to any political party.

I think that the vast amount of Americans conserve, not only because it makes sense to do so, but it makes CENTS to do so. Very few people can afford NOT to concerve. I can tell you for a fact that I raise the temp of my house to 65 when I get up in the morning. At night it is 62. I wonder what personal contribution Al Gore makes, while he is preaching to the rest of us. The ONE thing that would make a tremendous impact would be to drill in ANWR. In fact, if it were announced tomorrow, we would see the price of oil fall, just on the announcement of it. It won't happen however as long as the dems hold a strangle hold on Alaska. Even the Alaskan citizenz would welcome the jobs and the stimulus to the economy. As long as we are being held hostage by the Crazy Chavez and the middle east, commodity traders will bid it up and we will all pay more at the pump.

I think you're wrong on the majority of American conserving. Hello? SUV's anyone? Plus, I know of very few people that either carpool or take public transportation. Just about every vehicle I pass during rush hours have only 1 person in them.
In my house, we have changed the temp before, but it hardly ever happens because it's never thought of by my dad. And I know of no one who actually does this at all.
Most people will buy better light bulbs, and turn out lights. They might recycle if it's convieinent (it's not in my area). But most people won't do anything if it's not convienent enough or to their liking.

And to drill in ANWR is just not conserving. That's more using and destroying.
Drilling more oil and destroying an ecosystem is not the way to conserve.
Finding new renewable resources is what should be done instead.
 
You started the ball rolling


Eddie, to be fair, a lot of us sometimes like to throw in a political jab on a non-political thread. I'm guilty myself occasionally, but it's usually done in jest. However, some here take the very slimmest of excuses to do so, and they do so often. And it's usually not done in jest.
 


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