How many of you are hoping to purchase Lakeshore?

[The Jackal]

We are not interested in LL. I really hope they do not build all those proposed cabins on the water that Reflections was supposed to have. The points will kill resort availability like at Poly. Yes people want to stay at the bungalows, but who has almost 1,000 points for a week. DVC went point crazy on Poly Tower and it’s not looking good.

 

[Girlstar30]

I’m surprised it hasn’t started yet. DVC is selling direct a whole lot more properties than it ever has. Usually they have two selling and one of those two is almost sold out. Yes you have ignore Aulani, it just doesn’t count. They now have currently 4 and none are really on pace to be sold out before Lakeshore Lodge. RIV could be close if sales pick up.

Please Lord let their be a fire sale April 29th I'll be surprised to hear if sales pick up this round with the less than stellar incentives

 

[Chili327]

More variety of places to stay is always welcome!!

That sounds like a positive to me.

Not if that means 5x the member pool you're competing with and they all pick WDW, so all you have to choose from is Colorado & NYC.

If the trust is all DVC locations (WDW, DLR, Hawaii, Vero, HHI) then I'm interested, but not if Colorado or NYC is just a hotel (I know they are just examples, but I'm not looking for just "hotels" to spend my points on)

 

[Girlstar30]

Not if that means 5x the member pool you're competing with and they all pick WDW, so all you have to choose from is Colorado & NYC.

If the trust is all DVC locations (WDW, DLR, Hawaii, Vero, HHI) then I'm interested, but not if Colorado or NYC is just a hotel (I know they are just examples, but I'm not looking for just "hotels" to spend my points on)

There's always a catch but can they go put Vero and other ones in this trust?? Maybe with the new points they're selling from now on? Not cool with that

 

[MartyParty]

We don’t need this kind of negativity here

Just to clarify, more points 'yes'. More dues 'no'!

 

[Mikey15]

As a DVC lover but not yet owner, it’s a contender for me:
+We love Wilderness Lodge: Whispering Canyon, Geyser Point and being a short boat from MK can be more pleasant than the monorail, depending on the season. This will have some of those same perks

+Newer floor plan. It’s obviously too early to actually know this but it’s bound to be laid out more like DVC’s newer floor plans which should be an advantage over BRV and converted-hotel CCV. Think 2nd full bathroom in 1-bedrooms like most new builds since Kidani

+Long expiry: Okay, CCV has this too but BRV is hard to buy into right now with that short 17 years remaining

+Lazy river! This is probably one of the things I find most exciting. Our favourite part of a waterpark isn’t the slides or a wave pool, it’s swimming or floating down a lazy river. I’m really hoping this will live up to its potential

I love that this’ll be in an area we already know we like (WL / Bay Lake), quiet and off the beaten path but still short boat or bus rides to the parks. I love that it looks like they’ll play into the beauty of nature in their theming (Pocahontas, Princess and the Frog, etc).. So far so good, but it probably helps too that I’m not comparing it to something I already own.

 

[Lorana]

So, I am very interested in buying here:

• lazy river
• multiple accommodation types (villas, cabins, treehouses, a-frames)
• wilderness themed
• tranquil
• boat ride to MK

We do already own at CCV, but we do spend more time in the resorts now, and I absolutely love lazy rivers, and have wanted a wilderness resort with lazy river and cabins and treehouses forever now. It's like my dream.

... that said, I was also eager for VDH, CFW, and PVB direct, and each time had a reason not to buy (VDH poor incentives, high point charts and those taxes!; CFW was way too high on the dues and lack of incentives; PVB was lack of incentives, no magical beginnings, and crazy point charts). I also already own VGC direct and PVB resale, so that also factored in.

I am worried about the size of this resort; I'd prefer it smaller. It's possible it will be easy to get at 7 months due to size and points charts. More importantly, though, I'd need to see what the point charts are, the cost is, incentives, and magical beginnings to make the final decision if I would buy or not.

At present, though, it is my intent to buy.

 

[Chili327]

So, I am very interested in buying here:

• lazy river
• multiple accommodation types (villas, cabins, treehouses, a-frames)
• wilderness themed
• tranquil
• boat ride to MK

We do already own at CCV, but we do spend more time in the resorts now, and I absolutely love lazy rivers, and have wanted a wilderness resort with lazy river and cabins and treehouses forever now. It's like my dream.

... that said, I was also eager for VDH, CFW, and PVB direct, and each time had a reason not to buy (VDH poor incentives, high point charts and those taxes!; CFW was way too high on the dues and lack of incentives; PVB was lack of incentives, no magical beginnings, and crazy point charts). I also already own VGC direct and PVB resale, so that also factored in.

I am worried about the size of this resort; I'd prefer it smaller. It's possible it will be easy to get at 7 months due to size and points charts. More importantly, though, I'd need to see what the point charts are, the cost is, incentives, and magical beginnings to make the final decision if I would buy or not.

At present, though, it is my intent to buy.

I think p0int charts are a thing of the past, I don't see anything coming out lower than Poly, VDH, etc. Why would they, when they know its bites them in the *** after a decade or so.
And for that reason... "I'm Out"

 

[supercarrie]

I think p0int charts are a thing of the past, I don't see anything coming out lower than Poly, VDH, etc. Why would they, when they know its bites them in the *** after a decade or so.
And for that reason... "I'm Out"

My guess is the points charts will be lower than PIT, but more akin to Riviera for the typical studio/1 bedroom/2 bedroom villas.

Poly is higher than VGF in certain places and is on the monorail line, and Lakeshore obviously isn't.

If they roll the Cabins into it, I will say I appreciated they put the Cabins in between a studio and 1 bedroom villa, as they are. The points charts there are actually reasonable, it is just the maintenance which is a killer. The dues would presumably would look more reasonable with LSL added into the mix. We'll see.

 

[intamin]

Not interested, if I was going to own a resort that has boat/bus only transportation in the MK area it'd be Copper Creek. Like was said above though wouldn't mind trying it out with my points especially if it has a great pool as an homage to River Country.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

Several in this thread have said that if LL is merged with CFW (part of the Trust?), then that would be a dealbreaker. Can someone please explain why that is a negative? I know nothing about the Trust or how it works etc, so that's part of my problem. But, would appreciate a crash course in what the deal is with that Trust and why so many are opposed to LL if it's included in that, or combined with CFW.

 

[Sandisw]

Several in this thread have said that if LL is merged with CFW (part of the Trust?), then that would be a dealbreaker. Can someone please explain why that is a negative? I know nothing about the Trust or how it works etc, so that's part of my problem. But, would appreciate a crash course in what the deal is with that Trust and why so many are opposed to LL if it's included in that, or combined with CFW

The trust is set up as a RTU vs a leasehold condominium. You don’t own. DVD remains owner of it all.

They have the ability to set up the RTU plans with inventory from different locations if they want….they can reallocate points across any inventory that is activated under the same RTU plan.

Now, they can always add it to the trust model, and make it its own RTU vacation plan which doesn't make CFW and VLL on large resort and it could function no different in terms of booking than now.

But, there are nuances of the DVC trust model that some simply are not a fan of and feel that they will put it all in once RTU vacation plan which means both CfW cabins and VLL inventory will have the same booking window

 

[tidefan]

The trust is set up as a RTU vs a leasehold condominium. You don’t own. DVD remains owner of it all.

They have the ability to set up the RTU plans with inventory from different locations if they want….they can reallocate points across any inventory that is activated under the same RTU plan.

Now, they can always add it to the trust model, and make it its own RTU vacation plan which doesn't make CFW and VLL on large resort and it could function no different in terms of booking than now.

But, there are nuances of the DVC trust model that some simply are not a fan of and feel that they will put it all in once RTU vacation plan which means both CfW cabins and VLL inventory will have the same booking window

@Sandisw, I think that the main one is that they could roll LL into the same Vacation plan as CFW and then the trust would explicitly allow them to reallocate points across units, correct?

 

[Sandisw]

@Sandisw, I think that the main one is that they could roll LL into the same Vacation plan as CFW and then the trust would explicitly allow them to reallocate points across units, correct?

Yes, that is one of the pieces to the trust model that is different. Inventory is added to the trust.

Once added, it is activated into a RTU vacation plan. DVD can activate any inventory added to the trust into any vacation plan…and then points can be reallocated that way.

Right now, all inventory of CFW has been added to the trust. However they have only activated 63 (or 65?) cabins under the plan which determined how many points can be sold.

So, if they decide to add VLL to the same plan as CFW, then they can do that. But, it is not required so I think it’s premature to assume it will work that way.

They could add it to the trust, create its own vacation plan, and run both…or they could do something unique with trust properties hsve home resort, additional advantage with other trust properties for booking, before it opens via BVTC.

But, that reallocation across different component sites is one big difference.

ETA: IIRC, they can also remove inventory from a RTU plan as well and add in different units. I also think that there is nothing to prevent them from adding different points for the same units when activated. But, I admit, I’d need to go back and read that part again…

 

[Pyxie]

Maybe? I want to buy direct eventually and this could be a contender for me if I want something non-restricted. I'd even be more interested if it includes the cabins because, while those seem nice, I have no interest in buying them alone with their dues.

 

[DougEMG]

Not interested in owning there. Don’t care for the location, do not like the trust model of this ends up in it and I already own at CCR and can’t see this coming even close to the wilderness lodge styling.

 

[Patmcpsu]

It sounds like the same situation as the Riviera, minus the luxury and Skyliner. It would need over-the-top amenities like a lazy river to make it a destination in itself, but that would make the maintenance fees more expensive.

Disney is running out of good locations for hotels, and this choice feels like they're grasping at straws.

One idea to salvage the situation is that they could conceivably run a Skyliner route from LL to the International Gateway at Epcot (check Google Maps if you don't believe me). *That* would be a game changer.

 

[Chili327]

One idea to salvage the situation is that they could conceivably run a Skyliner route from LL to the International Gateway at Epcot (check Google Maps if you don't believe me). *That* would be a game changer.

It does have a nice straight shot… but it might interfere with a new BCV tower.

 

[smileyanna]

I cry a little every time I read “BCV Tower”

 

[Pens Fan]

We already have multiple CCV contracts, so no. That area is taken care of for us, and I am very leery of what the trust might bring. I am, however, excited that this has been resurrected. I'm hoping it opens up some fun, new dining / lounge options in that area. We might even try to stay there sometime, though I'll wait for the finished product to make that call. We do love our Wilderness Lodge stays!