How long will new restrictions last????

[pppiglet]

One does however have the right to askhard questions of this administration.

Example.

Current regulatons : you can't carry liquids into the secure area. So you buy a drink from the burger king in the secure area.

You can't bring the drink onto the plane - even though you bought it in the secure area. So the TSA doesn't conser the drink secure.

What does this mean to us ? That there is no screening of the goods and personnel at the shops in the supposedly secure area?

I don't know about you but the very method they are using shows that the moniker "secure" area is false and that makes me very nervous. There is a way to get plastique to someone in the secure area .

Am I whining or pointing out the Emperorer is wearing no clothes?

Very good point!

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

One does however have the right to askhard questions of this administration.

What does this mean to us ? That there is no screening of the goods and personnel at the shops in the supposedly secure area?

I don't know about you but the very method they are using shows that the moniker "secure" area is false and that makes me very nervous. There is a way to get plastique to someone in the secure area .

Am I whining or pointing out the Emperorer is wearing no clothes?

Individuals who are hired to work in, or have access to, the sterile (not secure, that means something entirely different) areas of airports are subject to pre-hire FBI fingerprint background checks, 10 year criminal & personal history checks, not to mention accounting for all periods of employment, residence and unemployment for the past 10 years along with reference checks for each. Airport employees are not only responsible for their individual jobs, but each are charged with maintaining the integrity of security-sensitive areas. Sure, even after all that an employee *could* concievably bring a banned item into the sterile area by using a coded access door rather than going through security. Some airports even require consession employees who work in the sterile areas to undergo security checks just like passengers. The TSA also requires airport security to randomly verify badge validity of employees in the sterile AND secure areas. Food prepared for on-board consumption goes through a security check, as well.

To answer your question, if an airport employee really and truly wanted to get plastique onto the ramp for boarding, there are certainly ways they could abuse the trust placed in them and do so. By the same token, you could decide you've had enough of the security line and pull out your semi-automatic. I certainly hope neither happen.

 

[bavaria]

I am sorry if I sound angry but I have read some pretty STUPID things about this whole subject today!!! I am not one who usually rants and raves-especially on this board but people need to wake up and realize we don't live in the same world as we did 5 short years ago! Gettin off my soap box now...

While I am not directing this at the OP necessarily, I had to go for a long walk this afternoon after reading this website periodically today. The post that pushed me out the door was someone on the theme parks board saying that her children would no longer be able to swim at WDW as she could not carry on sunscreen.

As I said early today, I think that everyone just needs to take a deep breath, and wait and see. For those travelling in the next few days, take some time to educate yourself on the new rules and make some plans. (Check your luggage, ship items ahead, plan on buying items at your destination - whatever may work in your individual situation)

For those not flying for several days/weeks/months/years, just wait and see - that's all any of us can do. No point in getting worked up today about how you are going to fly without your hairspray, beverage, lipgloss - insert any item - in your carry on for a trip 6 weeks from now.

Frankly, I doubt that the airlines know how they will adjust to this yet. They are probably implementing a variety of contigency plans and working out scenarios. They are probably thinking about how to serve more beverages to travellers who cannot bring drinks aboard, etc etc. How to deal with the possiblity of more checked luggage and fewer carryon items, etc.

The goal of all of this is that everyone arrives safely to their destination, isn't it?

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

The goal of all of this is that everyone arrives safely to their destination, isn't it?

Amen to that

 

[hegs65]

[The post that pushed me out the door was someone on the theme parks board saying that her children would no longer be able to swim at WDW as she could not carry on sunscreen.

This was exactly my point! It can be infuriating to read such nonsense and I am usually the first one to walk away but come on that is just insane!

To the OP, I am so sorry that I made it personal and went on a rampage. It is not an excuse, but my reaction was one of fear of not being able to protect my family from all the monsters out there. We are scheduled to fly out of Boston (where the 9/11 attack flights originated) on Tuesday and it is very frightening to me. Thankfully, my kids haven't caught wind of the situation yet. I am sure they will want to stay home if they do. I HATE that they are growing up and having to face this! At least at Disney we are allowed to escape from the real world-if only for a brief period of time. Again, I apologize -Have a wonderful day! Patty

 

[Brooknwdw]

Edited: Changed my mind...sorry

 

[Maxwell]

Are they still serving drinks on the plane? I heard that the flights from LHR to BOS yesterday did not and that's a long flight without anything to drink.

 

[Cmbar]

To the OP, I am so sorry that I made it personal and went on a rampage. It is not an excuse, but my reaction was one of fear of not being able to protect my family from all the monsters out there. We are scheduled to fly out of Boston (where the 9/11 attack flights originated) on Tuesday and it is very frightening to me. Thankfully, my kids haven't caught wind of the situation yet. I am sure they will want to stay home if they do. I HATE that they are growing up and having to face this! At least at Disney we are allowed to escape from the real world-if only for a brief period of time. Again, I apologize -Have a wonderful day! Patty

Totally understand your frustration and fears. I can understand your fear of flying from Logan. We live between Baltimore and Washington and have many family and friends that work in the government around here. We feel vulnerable being so close to Washington, and we remember the shear terror of 9/11 as we all waited for our loved ones to come home. Some friends did not that day. I guess the events of yesterday reminded us that we are still so vulnerable. I wanted to think they would never do the plane thing again, but now I know better.

God bless you and your family on your trip and to all those traveling. Hope you have a magical trip!
We will pray for you to have a safe trip and for all the planes to fly freely and safely.

 

[Lewisc]

At least one of the persons arrested in England was an airport employee that had the clearances and necessary pass to get into the "sterile" area.

Prior to yesterday security wasn't looking at Gatorade. It's certainly conceivable that a bottle of Gatorade could have been put somewhere in the sterile area for pick up by someone else.

Individuals who are hired to work in, or have access to, the sterile (not secure, that means something entirely different) areas of airports are subject to pre-hire FBI fingerprint background checks, 10 year criminal & personal history checks, not to mention accounting for all periods of employment, residence and unemployment for the past 10 years along with reference checks for each. Airport employees are not only responsible for their individual jobs, but each are charged with maintaining the integrity of security-sensitive areas. Sure, even after all that an employee *could* concievably bring a banned item into the sterile area by using a coded access door rather than going through security. Some airports even require consession employees who work in the sterile areas to undergo security checks just like passengers. The TSA also requires airport security to randomly verify badge validity of employees in the sterile AND secure areas. Food prepared for on-board consumption goes through a security check, as well.

To answer your question, if an airport employee really and truly wanted to get plastique onto the ramp for boarding, there are certainly ways they could abuse the trust placed in them and do so. By the same token, you could decide you've had enough of the security line and pull out your semi-automatic. I certainly hope neither happen.

 

[disneymom3]

So, in light of Lewis' post, I would assume that at some point they are going to decide that the items in the sterile area are now "secure" and one will be able to buy water and such to take on the plane. I for one, am just glad they figured it out when they did and that nothing bad happened. I will deal with whatever security measures are in place but it does reaffirm DHs comittment to NOT fly when our kids are with us. We'd rather have our own car and not worry about where the toothpaste is.

 

[FlaNative]

The U.S. Constitution only guarantees the pursuit of happiness... you have to catch up with it yourself.

OT picky point. Those words are not part of the Constitution, the pursuit is not guaranteed. They are in the Declaration of Independence. But I like the concept.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

At least one of the persons arrested in England was an airport employee that had the clearances and necessary pass to get into the "sterile" area.

Prior to yesterday security wasn't looking at Gatorade. It's certainly conceivable that a bottle of Gatorade could have been put somewhere in the sterile area for pick up by someone else.

It's entirely possible. I have no idea what the clearance procedures are in England, but I would guess they are similar to the US.

 

[CarolA]

Well I fired off an email to the TSA asking WHY beverages in the sterile area were NOT safe to bring on the plane, but were safe to have there. I guess if they "blow up" the gate area then the TSA thinks that's OK????

Basically this makes no sense, but as is normal with the goverment they aren't required to make sense.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

The U.S. Constitution only guarantees the pursuit of happiness... you have to catch up with it yourself.

OT picky point. Those words are not part of the Constitution, the pursuit is not guaranteed. They are in the Declaration of Independence. But I like the concept.

Agreed... very picky! I'll work on my substance and you work on your form!

 

[cynic957]

Yes Airport employees may be checked but,,,

1. One of the suspects was arrested as he came off shift on Heathrow Ground crew.
2. most , if not all , of the suspects had clean records and would not be screened out by most security checks.
3. I was taking about minium wage concession workers and food delivery folks who I sincerely doubt and in fact have been informed by several high ranking police are in fact not screened in any manner and more than the employees the goods should be screened as tightly as the passenger's goods are and are not.

The one thing that really scares me is that Willie Williams , a completely mediocre police commish in Philly in the 90's and a total flop as LA Police commish in the late 90's is in charge of the TSA baggage security department.

Now that's scary!

 

[cynic957]

Well I fired off an email to the TSA asking WHY beverages in the sterile area were NOT safe to bring on the plane, but were safe to have there. I guess if they "blow up" the gate area then the TSA thinks that's OK????

Basically this makes no sense, but as is normal with the goverment they aren't required to make sense.

I have since found out the plan in London was to put false bottoms with liquid perixode in it to fool the screeners. So the complete ban on beverages makes a little more sense now.

Mea Culpa.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

Yes Airport employees may be checked but,,,

1. One of the suspects was arrested as he came off shift on Heathrow Ground crew.
2. most , if not all , of the suspects had clean records and would not be screened out by most security checks.
3. I was taking about minium wage concession workers and food delivery folks who I sincerely doubt and in fact have been informed by several high ranking police are in fact not screened in any manner and more than the employees the goods should be screened as tightly as the passenger's goods are and are not.

Now that's scary!

Even minimum-wage workers and food delivery folks are subject to FBI fingerprint background checks. TSA regulations. Police, high ranking or otherwise, don't have anything to do with airport security badging or access policies.

As far as food items that are boarded onto aircraft, the TSA has issued a 50% check directive as of yesterday.

Nonetheless, if an employee truly wanted to get something in, they obviously could.

 

[snowy76]

I have since found out the plan in London was to put false bottoms with liquid perixode in it to fool the screeners. So the complete ban on beverages makes a little more sense now.

Mea Culpa.

I heard this too. So there goes the idea of just asking someone to have a drink to prove it's not an explosive.

 

[Ub_Iwerks]

I've only skimmed this thread, so forgive me if this falls into the stupid question category. Is the ban on sunscreen and other toiletries only for carry-on luggage? Would I still be able to pack these things in my checked luggage, sealed in ziplock bags?

 

[Debbie]

Is the ban on sunscreen and other toiletries only for carry-on luggage? Would I still be able to pack these things in my checked luggage, sealed in ziplock bags?

Yep, that's what we are doing here. Just rearranging what we have packed and ready to go.