How late should teens stay out?

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Esp on a school night?
The local news is covering a very bad local accident.
It is very sad. Five teens in a car. I have not read or heard anything about drugs/alcohol being involved. Just a 90 mph ride that turned to tragedy.
Three of the five boys are dead. One is still in the hospital, expected to live.
The boys ranged from 14 to 17.
The driver lived, and had just gotten his license.
It's the phone call all parent's dread to get.
Not being parents, and not wanting to make it sound like anyone *got what they deserved*, one of my first thoughts was why are kids these ages driving around at 10 p.m. on a school night?
Is it just me who is a old fogie? Is this the norm now?:confused:
That driver has a lot to live with for the rest of his life. I feel heavily for all those involved.
The car went sideways into a ditch. (Roads were wet from rain.) The impact was so strong trees were sheared and one tree was uprooted that had a 2' thick trunk.
 
My "cerfew" is 10 pm on a school night. Sometimes 10:30, depending on what I am doing. Very rarely do I go out on school nights though. I'm a rare breed of high schoolers who like going to bed by 10, I need my sleep! :)

When I work on school nights, I get home around 10:20. I'm a senior this year and I never went out on school nights late, it just started recently. Only a month of school left, not really much to do.

I don't think that this is a question of, how late should teens be staying out, but more a question of "why was this kid driving at 90 mph?". You noted that it was "just" a 90 mph ride turned to tragedy...90 mph is pretty fast, no matter what time of night.

If the kid was driving at 90 mph at 10 on a school night, I wonder what would stop him magically from driving that fast durring the day, or on a friday night...?

I really don't think that a 14 year old should be out at 10 on a school night...I'm 18, I do believe that there is a big difference in where you set limits for your children during those four years.
 
I agree 90 mph is ridiculous under any circumstances. So guess my wording was not great. I meant it more as a *joy* ride (no matter how stupid) was a tragedy for those so young.
My parents were prettttttty lax. Too lax. But at that age even I would have been sneaking out of the house. And even then sticking close to home.
One father was over concerned when it was midnight and his son had not returned home yet. Yeah -- I hope he was overly concerned.
An older teen, ready to graduate, special night. Certainly can understand.
But young, new with license, car full of friends..... I don't think I would expect any 14 year old to use good judgment with older kids in a car late into the evening.
But maybe it's just because I have never been in this situation, not being a parent.
And that choice is going to be something more hard than we can imagine for those parents to live with. :(
 
i think curfew really depends on where the teen is going. i'm 17 and 2 thursdays ago i was out till 4am. i did have school the next day. my parents didn't have a problem with it because i was at school. yeah, i know hard to believe but it was true. most nights i'm home by midnight. my parents don't give me a curfew unless i have no ride home or i'm somewhere they don't want me to be.

with the driving at 90 mph that could of become disaterous at any time of the day. that had little to do with the time of night.
 

When I was a teen 20 years ago, I worked nights until 10, so I don't think that 10pm is all that late, except for the 14 year old. We used to go out to eat afterwards, so it would sometimes be 11:30 - 12pm before I got home.

Driving 90mph is a problem, of course how bad depends on where. If it's a highway straightaway, it's wrong since the speed limit is somewhere between 55 and 75 depending on state, but that's not the same as 90 in a residential area.

NJ has implemented a curfew on new teenage drivers and there are rules as to who and how many people they can have in the car with them. Not having a teen driver yet I haven't really dug into what the law is, but I am aware that it was changed to try and prevent these kinds of tragedies.
 
Depends on the activity. I have sons who are involved in alot of school activities. One wrestles, one runs. There have been meets that finish up at 10:00 at our high school. After these meets it is not uncommon for the several kids to ride home together. Kids who are in drama club might at times need to do the same thing. Sometimes they go bowling or to the movies (not usually on a school night, but as stated this boy would not be driving slower on a Saturday).
The big problem is not the time but the driving. Here in NJ that would have been illegal. A 17yo driver is only aloud to have on non-family passenger. They are also not allowed to drive after midnight, any day of the week.
This is definitely a big nightmare of mine. I have twin sons who are almost 16. There are times when they come home from something with another student who drives. I make sure the boy has been driving at least a year. I ask alot of questions, and there are only certain boys I let them drive with, but this is no guarantee. Teenage boys like to drive too fast and are often reckless. There is a reason their insurance is so high. My boys will have to be driving at least a year before I let them have passengers. I had this same rule with my dd. And she had been driving almost exactly one year when she had an accident with her bf in the car.
 
I have an almost 14 year old, and on school nights, she needs to be in bed by 10:30 tops. I push for 10:00, and she's pretty good about getting in to brush her teeth and wash her face by 10. Right after, she's in bed. If there's something special going on in the evening at school - it might be a bit later - but that's the exception, not the rule. And she is never allowed to be walking the streets at that hour. But I do see other kids her age strolling around the streets at all hours. She is quite aware that these are the kids she is NOT allowed to hang out with.
 
It would appear the consensus is that 10 PM is late for anyone under 18 who doesn't have a reason to be out.

And Goofy Dad...there are no highways in the MidAtlantic/New England area that will allow a driver to safely travel 90 mph. There is far too much traffic to allow it. Do I see people driving 90 on the highway...I sure do...most of them choosing to tailgate rather than maintaining the 9, 8 or 7 car lengths between themselves and the car in front of them that doesn't want to travel at 90.

I have to wonder how all those kids got permission to be in the car with the new driver. And what were his parents thinking???
 
I didn't say it was safe, in fact I said it was wrong. All I said was that to determine just how bad it was I needed to know the type of road they were on.

Driving on the highway at 90 is not the same as driving through a residential area at 90mph. I don't condone either, but one is worse then the other. My own driving habbit is to stay with traffic, whatever that speed happens to be, because that is the safest speed. Slower then traffic is just as dangerous as faster.

But just to play Devil's advocate, most highways at 10pm even here in NJ which has one of the highest traffic densities in the country, are congested the way you describe. During the day, certainly it is exactly as you describe, but not usually by 10pm.

From the OP however, the case mentioned driving even the speed limit could be considered dangerous since the ground was wet.

Also I don't see a consensus in the posts about 10pm and under 18. Most seem to agree that this is too late for the 14 year old, but 16-17 year olds frequently work until 10. They don't have Star Trek Transporters to get home instantly.
 
In response to the story, I agree that a curfew isn't the issue, but more the kid's driving. Going 90 on wet roads is a serious safety risk.

As for the curfew issue, I think it depends. I was 14 with no curfew...why because my mom knew where I was, who I was with and what I was doing. I was in the drama club and we worked on sets at the theatre til 11pm. At that time, one of the parents would pick us up and bring us home, or one of the older students would take use home. On weekends, I would often not get in until 1 or 2am since we would get food (HoJos) before we went home. On school nights, I was usually home be midnite.

But to go along with that, my mother also knew that I got all my homework done in school or at the theatre. She knew that the local community theatre group always had someone there while we were in the theatre, and the weekends when we went for food before going home, she knew I was doing that also (I would call her earlier and give her an estimate of when I would be in).

On the other hand, my sister who was two years older than me, had a curfew. Why, because she wouldn't always say where she was going to be, it wasn't school sponsored events, she was just "hanging out". For my mom, that wasn't acceptable til all hours so she had to be in at 9pm on school nights and 11pm on weekends. If she gave my mom more information, the curfew might be adjusted (ie going to a 10pm movie with x and x).

The biggest difference between us and the curfew issues was that my sister rarely called if she was going to be late....I always called...and that made a big difference to my mom.

To me curfews should depend on the kids, what they are doing, where they are doing it, and who they are doing it with...at least that is how my mom based it, and it worked for her. Even though my sister thought it was "unfair" when we were younger, she now admits that it will be how she does it.
 
As far as the type of road, I really don't know much about it, as I don't frequent that area. It was on 72nd street. But even out in the rural/country areas the streets still go by street numbers.
My guess is that it is a rural residential area. If it was west or south of town, I might think it could be a country road. But north..... To me that area seems more populated.
One of the dead teen's mother works where I do. I know her by name, but that's about it. So I am sure thre will be more detailed talk about at work.
Not that where they were traveling 90 mph seesm to have made much of a difference. From what I understand, sounds like they were airborne. I have been told the car was in the trees, the engine was thrown from the car, as were all the boys.
Article:

It was past midnight, and the five teenage boys hadn't come home yet.
A makeshift memorial appeared Friday at the scene of a deadly car crash north of Omaha. Friends and family gathered near a tree that was sheared off when the car carrying five teens left the road.

Brian Brooks, one boy's father, was worried. His son always called if he was going to be late.

Laura Robinson, the stepmother of another, was driving home from work when an accident on 72nd Street slowed her down.

She called home to explain the delay to her husband, Scott. He rushed to the accident scene in a panic. Was that why his son wasn't home?

By then, two deputies were on their way to the Robinsons' house to deliver the grim news.

Seventeen-year-old Kenneth "KJ" Robinson of Fort Calhoun wasn't coming home.

Neither was 14-year-old Brian A. Brooks of Omaha.

Or Bryan Riggs, 15, of Fort Calhoun.

All three died Thursday night in the same accident that held up Laura Robinson in traffic.

The other two boys, 16-year-old Joseph S. Fitzgerald of Omaha and 15-year-old Anthony Wakefield of Omaha, suffered head injuries.

Fitzgerald's condition was not available. Wakefield was released Friday.

"He doesn't remember anything about the accident," said Brian L. Brooks, whose son Brian was one of Wakefield's best friends.

Wakefield is bruised, Brooks said, and can barely walk.

Fitzgerald was driving his mother's 1999 Toyota Camry Solara about 10 p.m. when it raced out of control and crashed into a grove of trees.

Their outing had begun after dinner, when Brian Brooks, Tony Wakefield and Joe Fitzgerald - buddies at Northwest High School - went to visit Tony's half brother, KJ Robinson.

But KJ was visiting Bryan Riggs, a longtime friend and classmate at Fort Calhoun High School. The five hooked up at KJ's house after KJ's dad called Bryan's house to say the other boys had come over.

They all piled into the Solara, which still had in-transit tags. Joe, who turned 16 on April 11 and got his license three days later, was driving.

Their stops included the Westroads Shopping Center, where one of KJ's cousins saw them about 8:30 p.m.

At some point, they headed north on 72nd Street, a popular route to Fort Calhoun.

About 10 p.m., a quarter-mile south of the Douglas-Washington County line, Kathryn King heard the muffled sounds of a car, followed by a thud.

"It just didn't sound right," she said.

The next sound - a person's voice - had King and her husband, David, running for flashlights.

"I heard one of the kids moaning, 'Help me,'" she said.

David King called 911, then rushed into the back yard of their home off 72nd Street and Northland Drive.

He and his wife found the Solara in pieces.

The car, which investigators later said was traveling at least 90 mph, had gone down a slippery, muddy bank and into bushes, cutting down two large trees. The back rested on one stump. Its engine and front tires had flown 150 feet into the woods.

The impact was strong enough to uproot a tree with a 2-foot-thick trunk.

Three of the boys were lying near each other outside the car, Kathryn King said. Two were dead; one was moaning.

The other two were walking around but confused, she said.

"They were talking. They didn't appear to know what was happening," King said. "I'm not sure they even knew there was an accident."

Investigators said that none of the boys was wearing a seat belt and that all had been ejected.

As Kathryn King, an intensive-care nurse, started tending to the injured, David King called 911 again for more rescuers.

Brian Brooks and Bryan Riggs died at the scene. KJ Robinson was flown to Creighton University Medical Center, where he later died.

Tony Wakefield and Joe Fitzgerald were taken to Creighton by ambulance.

The accident was still being cleaned up when Scott Robinson arrived.

After his son failed to come home, Robinson had called the home of KJ's friend Bryan Riggs.

Bryan's parents hadn't heard from the boys, either.

About the same time, Brian Brooks was wondering why his son hadn't come home.

"He always called if he was late," the father said. "He's always home by 10. I couldn't find him."

Because the 15-year-old didn't have identification on him, his family didn't find out what had happened until one of the two hospitalized boys regained consciousness and could name who had been in the car.

"I didn't find out until 5 a.m.," Brooks said. "We were up most of the night."

Funeral services are planned Monday for Brian Brooks and Tuesday for Bryan Riggs; the Robinson family was still making arrangements.

Families, friends, teachers and counselors remembered the boys Friday with fondness.

Counselors at Northwest High School described Brian Brooks, Tony Wakefield and Joe Fitzgerald as a loyal, spirited, determined bunch who could be found at lunchtime laughing at their regular spot.

Fort Calhoun High School officials described KJ Robinson as athletic, friendly and outgoing. Bryan Riggs, they said, was on the quiet side, but a good kid.

Riggs' family declined to be interviewed.

The Brooks and Robinson families shared memories of their lost sons.

Brian Brooks was born in Omaha. The family later moved to Dubuque, Iowa, and Fremont, Neb., before returning to Omaha.

He walked the two blocks to Northwest each day.

Brian was the second of three boys - between Nicholas, 16, and Joshua, 13.

He grew up in the shelter of family and friends, notably Tony Wakefield. Brian spent weekends in Lincoln, where Tony had lived, and Tony was like another son in the Brooks house.

Though short in stature, Brian was tall in dreams, strumming Nirvana covers on his electric guitar and practicing skateboarding moves every chance he got.

He attended rock concerts with his dad, getting on stage with the bands.

Brian didn't mind being the center of attention, whether it was showcasing a new skateboarding move or sporting a new hair color. The blond teenager experimented with red, purple and black.

"He was his own person," his dad said. "He wasn't afraid to do his thing. He knew what he wanted out of life."

KJ Robinson had a large presence - 6-foot-2 and 250 pounds - and a big heart, his father said.

The Fort Calhoun junior was a two-sport athlete. He played noseguard and tackle on the varsity football team and suited up with the junior varsity basketball team, even though his size made him a little slow, said his dad, laughing.

Jokes were KJ's forte.

He once went to school wearing his boxer shorts over his pants, then tried to convince his principal that he wasn't violating the dress code. And it wasn't out of the ordinary to find that he had turned the tabs around on every pop can in the refrigerator.

He would horse around with his brothers, 9-year-old Russell and 7-year-old Adam, and help them with homework. His 21/2-year-old sister, Kayann, would curl up in his lap for a nap.

His dad remembers KJ proudly checking the organ donor box on his driver's license application. His organs have been donated.

Both Northwest and Fort Calhoun High Schools had counselors available Friday, and a counseling room was ready at Fort Calhoun.

"Everybody likes them," said Jerry Barabas, Fort Calhoun's superintendent.

Jennifer Weeder, who spent part of Friday morning at the Brooks home, recalled how Brian, who would have turned 15 next month, was usually laughing.

"He was adorable," she said.

World-Herald staff writers Karyn Spencer and Jeffrey Robb contributed to this account.
 
that is a really really sad story. I couldn't even imagine it. :( i feel really bad for those families. i want to give them all hugs, even tho it wouldn't help bring there kids home.


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Wow,that is such a sad story:( My heart goes out to those parents--losing a child is the absolute worst thing that could happen to a parent, and it's even more heartbreaking that they had a hand in their own deaths. That's so typical of teenagers, though; as parents, we seem to spend 1/2 our time wanting to kill our teens, and 1/2 our time praying they won't be killed before they reach adulthood. I'll pray for the families.
 

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