How is this acceptable FP+ lovers?

[mesaboy2]

Can you change FP+ to something else?

Yes, but I assume many don't want to because they picked this one.

 

[cakebaker]

Legacy fast passes were distributed in advance as well without knowledge that there would be a breakdown.

The only passes that wouldn't have been given out were just those for the time the ride was down- it might be enough to slightly impact the ride, but not enough that you wouldn't see a line much like this during legacy. But as I said, that wasn't the op's argument.

 

[minnie-apple-mouse]

Yes, but I assume many don't want to because they picked this one.

If I remember correctly, DD was sent an email to change a TSM FP+ when it broke down, or it was valid anywhere else or something like that.

Or choose to keep it for TSM and just wait longer.

 

[MAGICFOR2]

This picture brings up a question - sorry if someone else asked already - I didn't read through all the pages:

How do you know if the people waiting in that long line for legacy FP return in front of you have an time that is due yet? To explain: Last year we found a huge line of people (kind of like the "gate fleas" at the airport who crowd the front before their boarding number is called) who were standing there 20-30 minutes before their FP time when ours was due already. It was hard for us to get up to the CM to get in - the only way we knew not to wait behind everyone was the time printed on the FP. Now with the MB, it seems like if you showed up at the end of your hour you could wait behind others whose hour hasn't started yet until you've already missed your return time, because you can't know what time they are supposed to report? Anyone have experience with this?

 

[mesaboy2]

If I remember correctly, DD was sent an email to change a TSM FP+ when it broke down, or it was valid anywhere else or something like that.

Yeah. According to EasyWDW I think it was, different attractions offer different slates of other attractions to FP in this instance. In some cases you may or may not choose the same attraction for later if I recall correctly. It struck me as too complicated!

 

[BuzzinDownToDisney]

But they didn't pile up while the ride was down. FP distro stopped during the outage, relieving the pressure for later in the day. That happens to a lesser extent with FP+ because they can only turn off FPs not already scheduled (same-day FPs).

The outage was in the morning, time constraints wouldn't allow anyone to be booking their 4th FP yet at the time of the outage.

 

[mom2rtk]

Ummmm....That wasn't his point. Because he didn't know when he posted this thread that the ride was closed and he's still arguing that the effects of the closure would've been long over with. His position is- this is what the ride looks like all the time.

Are you trying to exclude my point on a technicality?

It's still quite pertinent.

 

[MAGICFOR2]

This is why I'm going to DLR for the next year or so. Waiting/hoping to see FP+ go away.

I've never waited longer than 20 minutes for Pirates, and it's usually more like 5-10. Now it takes that for the FP. Stupid.

This. We have never waited more than 20 either - usually a walk on.

 

[mesaboy2]

The outage was in the morning, time constraints wouldn't allow anyone to be booking their 4th FP yet at the time of the outage.

I did not say otherwise. FPs booked before today for the time the ride was down would be a problem though, wouldn't they?

 

[mom2rtk]

The outage was in the morning, time constraints wouldn't allow anyone to be booking their 4th FP yet at the time of the outage.

But if the ride was down from 10 to 12, legacy would have not been distributing FPs during those hours, so far fewer people would be returning right after it reopened. With FP+ I bet most of those 10-12 spots were gone already. Certainly more than zero.

The point is that without FP+ and advance booking, a greater degree of flexibility was possible day of. This is just one more way that is the case.

 

[lugnut33]

Ummmm....That wasn't his point. Because he didn't know when he posted this thread that the ride was closed and he's still arguing that the effects of the closure would've been long over with. His position is- this is what the ride looks like all the time.

That standby queue does look like that most of the time in the afternoon. There's nothing exceptional about that.

It (and other attractions) does look like that too often and that is inexcusable.

I don't think major walkways in the MK were designed to hold queues.

 

[cakebaker]

If I remember correctly, DD was sent an email to change a TSM FP+ when it broke down, or it was valid anywhere else or something like that.

Or choose to keep it for TSM and just wait longer.

If you look at the twitter feed he pulled the picture off of , there's a huge line at the kiosk at JC- exactly like it was when we were there and POC went down. It's undoubtedly swelled from people changing their fp+ from POC to something else.

 

[mom2rtk]

This is why I'm going to DLR for the next year or so. Waiting/hoping to see FP+ go away.

I've never waited longer than 20 minutes for Pirates, and it's usually more like 5-10. Now it takes that for the FP. Stupid.

There's a reason I titled my last trip report "We defected to the west".

 

[cakebaker]

That standby queue does look like that most of the time in the afternoon. There's nothing exceptional about that.

It (and other attractions) does look like that too often and that is inexcusable.

I don't think major walkways in the MK were designed to hold queues.

No, it does not. You have nothing to back that up. But go ahead, save the pic to post months from now to prove a point that doesn't exist.

 

[mesaboy2]

That standby queue does look like that most of the time in the afternoon. There's nothing exceptional about that.

It (and other attractions) does look like that too often and that is inexcusable.

I don't think major walkways in the MK were designed to hold queues.

My experience as well over the last several trips.

 

[lugnut33]

If you look at the twitter feed he pulled the picture off of , there's a huge line at the kiosk at JC- exactly like it was when we were there and POC went down. It's undoubtedly swelled from people changing their fp+ from POC to something else.

No it's not, look at the standby line. How did all those people get in before the FP+ people if the ride was just down?

Are you going to tell me it's because they didn't have to do the Mickey to Mickey shuffle? If so, then there's a problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[BugsDaddy]

I did not say otherwise. FPs booked before today for the time the ride was down would be a problem though, wouldn't they?

Would there have been more fast passes issued for that time period that the ride was down through the FP+ system (regardless of when the fast pass was issued) than would have been accumulated in the morning of the same day with Legacy FP? Enough of a difference to create this line? I don't think there is any way to know that definitively.

 

[BugsDaddy]

I think there are probably some real disadvantages to FP+ out there for a population of disney-goers but trying to throw every little thing into that bucket, just weakens your argument overall.

 

[mesaboy2]

Would there have been more fast passes issued for that time period that the ride was down through the FP+ system (regardless of when the fast pass was issued) than would have been accumulated in the morning of the same day with Legacy FP? Enough of a difference to create this line? I don't think there is any way to know that definitively.

Definitively, no. We're all going on our experience, knowledge, and best guesses. That's the best I can manage.

 

[cakebaker]

I think there are probably some real disadvantages to FP+ out there for a population of disney-goers but trying to throw every little thing into that bucket, just weakens your argument overall.

This, exactly.