How I Hate FastPass+

Hi I don't think it is just fast pass plus. It is really that Disney has expanded a lot their hotel and DVC options while not expanding the offerings in the park at the same pace.

Also during the very busy week before Easter only MK had late hours. If all week Epcot closed at 11 vs 9 it would have spread out the crowd more.

Fast pass plus is just Disney's solution to deal with the underlying reason. Too many people not enough attractions.
They built it we came they should have something for us to do all day.
 
Hi I don't think it is just fast pass plus. It is really that Disney has expanded a lot their hotel and DVC options while not expanding the offerings in the park at the same pace.

Also during the very busy week before Easter only MK had late hours. If all week Epcot closed at 11 vs 9 it would have spread out the crowd more.

Fast pass plus is just Disney's solution to deal with the underlying reason. Too many people not enough attractions.
They built it we came they should have something for us to do all day.

Yes. They've added more rooms but not corresponding capacity.
 
There's not much to misunderstand actually. If people argue that no, fp+ is the reason for all of their miseries, people who like fp+ just got lucky or must have not been able to do as much as with the old system, or there are more people complaining about fp+ so those who like it are mystical unicorns, even though those people who like fp+ don't agree, that's discounting their experiences. Pretty simple. :)

You can't tell me that positive fp+ experiences are valued as much as the negative ones when people say things like, "game set match" as if they're winning some kind of game lol. Or the majority of some people's whole post history is all about fp+. >.>
I understood "game, set, match" to refer to the lack of new attractions which would definitely help spread the crowds around. That is simple logic.

I believe that both sides of the discussion can offer helpful advice. Personally I'd rather hear about the pitfalls so I'll be prepared to deal with those if they come up. Some people post that everything is magical without much if any detail and while I can be happy for them I don't find that particularly useful when planning a trip. I also don't find it useful when people complain unless they post their experiences. Those people do seem to go into more detail but I don't have numbers to back that up. ;)
 

I don't think its the number of hotel rooms causing the crowds. If Disney didn't have all of those hotel rooms people would still go to Orlando, they would just stay offsite. I guess if you could limit the number of rooms in Orlando total. The parks just don't have enough rides that people want to do and the fact that three parks are basically broken (IMHO) doesn't help.
 
I understood "game, set, match" to refer to the lack of new attractions which would definitely help spread the crowds around. That is simple logic.

It's a strange attitude to have about any subject that has no factual answer and is based on opinion. But some people are more passionate I suppose.

I believe that both sides of the discussion can offer helpful advice.
We agree then! :)
 
There's not much to misunderstand actually. If people argue that no, fp+ is the reason for all of their miseries, people who like fp+ just got lucky or must have not been able to do as much as with the old system, or there are more people complaining about fp+ so those who like it are mystical unicorns, even though those people who like fp+ don't agree, that's discounting their experiences. Pretty simple. :)

You can't tell me that positive fp+ experiences are valued as much as the negative ones when people say things like, "game set match" as if they're winning some kind of game lol. Or the majority of some people's whole post history is all about fp+. >.>

Its kinda crazy how you are conflating things, but that happens on these boards. "Game Set Match" was in reference to something else entirely, the idea that crowds have increased, that SB lines aren't increased due to FP+. The simple counter argument to which was, if crowds are increasing, shouldn't disney be keeping pace with attraction capacity increases ? But really this was just a side note, since just about anyone with any sense of logic or understanding of the system can see that FP+ increases SB lines on many attractions, while even slightly decreases it on some. Thats the impact of adding FP to more rides (and paper FP would have done the same had they expanded it to more rides) and of crown management.

But to the point you are actually referencing, now that we have addressed your unrelated tangent. You were talking about "Arguments to buy" vs experiences and preferences. As I said, no one that I have seen has said "you didn't get those FPs" or "you didn't have a good time" or "you didn't ride 10 rides" with FP+. On the other hand we have seen, in this very thread and others, "you don't need to book in advance" "You must be able to move things around because I was able to" "There are no lines at kiosks" "Fast pass+ hasn't increased SB lines" etc etc. When someone says "I got an A&E the night before we arrived" the response isn't "No you didn't" its "Wish I had that much luck" or "There is only so many people who can do that due to limited capacity" but if you say "there isn't/wasn't availability to move FPs around" the response here has been "there is lots of availability" or "its easy to move things around" which actually denies the posters experience. That was the entire point of the "I don't buy that argument".... because I didn't see it, haven't experienced it etc.

This does work both ways, people with negative experiences with FP+ post them in response to those that posted positive ones. But I don't see the same denial offered, people with negative experiences don't say its not -possible- to have good experiences. But that doesn't seem cut both ways, people who like FP+, or just defend WDW, outright deny the experiences of those with negative experiences or view points of the system. How many people have you seen posted on these boards that its only 5 or 6 people on these boards that don't like FP+ ? (dozens of times) How many times have people posted that its only people who haven't experienced FP+ that are complaining about it? (dozens of times) How many times have people said that unless they try it people have no right to comment negatively about it? (dozens of times) How many unique individuals have now piped in, just on this thread alone even, with negative experiences ? Was it the "usual 5 or 6" nope, because I see them all here and its other people that are chiming in. But we will still be told its only 5 or 6 people on the boards that don't like FP+, probably in the next thread about how well FP+ worked for someone.

Now ask yourself, the opposite, how many times have you seen someone post its only a few people here on the Disboards that like FP+ ??? How many times have you seen someone post that its only people who haven't tried FP+ that like it ? How many times have you seen someone post you have no right to comment positively on it unless you have tried it ? I count none to all of those.
 
As to the "Way more people in the parks" I thought Iger had said attendance was up 4% year over year ? The only other difference being FP+ ???

Just found an article about Q2 of 2014, Rasulo said attendance up 3%. Yet according to Josh @ easywdw's data we were already seeing major spikes in SB wait times ... but again we were told by the "pro FP+" or whatever folks that "its just that attendance is WAY up"
 
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Woah hun, we're on entirely different levels on how much we care about this topic. I'm more on just liking to watch people share and respect everyone's opinions. You're on a mission. You can ignore me I guess.
 
Everything was more crowded in Novemeber than during my last November trip - not just wait times at rides. It was ore crowded in the walkways, on buses, waiting for qs food, bathrooms, etc... Tons more people than I was used to.

See, my experience was going from crowded times to uncrowded and it was obvious - on our FP+ trip the walkways were less crowded, ADRs were easier to come by, seating in counter service was plentiful, and the parks didn't FEEL crowded at all. But wait times for "B-list" attractions, specifically Figment, El Rio del Tiempo, Small World, Haunted Mansion were all as long as or longer than the waits during our Memorial Day trip (which did feel crowded) The line for Figment was the longest I'd ever seen it, longer than the day we spent at Epcot on a "9" crowd level over Christmas vacation. And that was on a "4" day in early Dec - not a day when you'd have seen wait times at any of those rides before FP+.
 
Woah hun, we're on entirely different levels on how much we care about this topic. I'm more on just liking to watch people share and respect everyone's opinions. You're on a mission. You can ignore me I guess.
No need to be condescending. I won't speak for the other poster but you know that some people here are extremely passionate about all things Disney.
 
No need to be condescending. I won't speak for the other poster but you know that some people here are extremely passionate about all things Disney.
How was the post I was responding to not condescending? I'm crazy for over conflating or I have unrelated tangents. I'm politely ending the discussion by telling him we won't be discussing this with the same gusto and he can ignore me as he seems to take issue with a lot of things I post on these boards. Please don't turn this into an issue. I also consider myself passionate about disney so I don't think that's a bad thing. :)
 
How was the post I was responding to not condescending? I'm crazy for over conflating or I have unrelated tangents. I'm politely ending the discussion by telling him we won't be discussing this with the same gusto and he can ignore me as he seems to take issue with a lot of things I post on these boards. Please don't turn this into an issue. I also consider myself passionate about disney so I don't think that's a bad thing. :)
No issues from me. I just hate how these threads so often turn into slugfests. I blame it on that very passion.
 
You can't tell me that positive fp+ experiences are valued as much as the negative ones when people say things like, "game set match" as if they're winning some kind of game lol. Or the majority of some people's whole post history is all about fp+. >.>





Planogirl got the "game, set, match" comment and explained it well in her comment below.

My point is this. If crowds aren't up, but wait times are, that points toward FP+.

If crowds are to blame, then Disney is still at fault for not keeping pace by adding attraction capacity to offset that.

I understood "game, set, match" to refer to the lack of new attractions which would definitely help spread the crowds around. That is simple logic.

I believe that both sides of the discussion can offer helpful advice. Personally I'd rather hear about the pitfalls so I'll be prepared to deal with those if they come up. Some people post that everything is magical without much if any detail and while I can be happy for them I don't find that particularly useful when planning a trip. I also don't find it useful when people complain unless they post their experiences. Those people do seem to go into more detail but I don't have numbers to back that up. ;)



That is precisely what it referred to Planogirl. Thanks for the clarification. Can you tell my son was on the tennis team in high school? :)
 
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I don't think its the number of hotel rooms causing the crowds. If Disney didn't have all of those hotel rooms people would still go to Orlando, they would just stay offsite. I guess if you could limit the number of rooms in Orlando total. The parks just don't have enough rides that people want to do and the fact that three parks are basically broken (IMHO) doesn't help.


Agreed. It doesn't matter where the crowds are coming from. The capacity of things to do in the parks needs to keep up with the rate of growth.
 
I could be wrong on this but I think people that stay off site spend less days at Disney. At least from reading other posts it seems to lean that way.

Folks that stay on site seem to spend more days at the parks so if Disney is adding more hotel rooms then they are adding more guests with less attractions to spread them out.
 
The suggestion to email Disney to express your feelings and experiences if you're unsatisfied is a very good one. In the time it takes to bantor on a topic in here, we can just as easily email the mouse. While it may not change anything immediately, over time if attendance starts a downward trend, it will. Nobody is forcing me to vacation there, and if our upcoming trip turns out to be not worth the money, then we will simply vacation elsewhere. The world is a big place and there are plenty of other options.
 
I kind of have the opposite reaction - I am considering a peak time trip only because of the presence of FP +. Wouldn't have considered it in the old system because I'd be afraid the only way I'd get to ride certain things would be to be up at the crack of dawn to race over to the machines and even then might not like the times I got and would end up in all stand by and miss our must dos. Now, I'm willing to give the crowds a shot.

Granted, our list of must dos is not huge and there's lots we skip on purpose.
 
I could be wrong on this but I think people that stay off site spend less days at Disney. At least from reading other posts it seems to lean that way.

Folks that stay on site seem to spend more days at the parks so if Disney is adding more hotel rooms then they are adding more guests with less attractions to spread them out.

Im it actually sure that is true. Since we bought DVC we spend less and less time in the parks and know many other DVC members who are the same. After a while onsite becomes as much about the resorts etc as the parks.
 
No issues from me. I just hate how these threads so often turn into slugfests. I blame it on that very passion.

I also place a lot of the blame on FP+ itself. Ever since Disney introduced this system the threads about it have been relentless- and for good reason IMO. I think that Disney crossed over a line that they shouldn't have crossed over with the implementation of the FP+ system. The constant ******* on these boards, where there really wasn't before, speaks volumes. The frustration with FP+ is very real , as the many threads about it over the last year can attest to.
 












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