How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[CPT Tripss]

""He needed killing" seems like another take on jury nullification. The old yeah, we know he did "it" the prosecutor proved it but we're going to let him off because we think he had an OK reason for doing it.

That said, I'm not surprised that a dead dog gets more sympathy than ...

 

[robinb]

""He needed killing" seems like another take on jury nullification. The old yeah, we know he did "it" the prosecutor proved it but we're going to let him off because we think he had an OK reason for doing it.

That said, I'm not surprised that a dead dog gets more sympathy than ...

I'm not surprised at all.

ETA: Some folks dehumanize people they deem to be unworthy and anthropomorphize pets.

ETA2: does anyone else now have Cell Block Tango playing in their head?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

""He needed killing" seems like another take on jury nullification. The old yeah, we know he did "it" the prosecutor proved it but we're going to let him off because we think he had an OK reason for doing it.

That said, I'm not surprised that a dead dog gets more sympathy than ...

There was one many years ago a couple hours from here. Woman raped by a drifter she tried to help. Police caught him in a barn near her house. Just as they were about to stuff him in the car, the victim appeared out of the darkness with a shotgun and shot him at point blank range. They couldn't find a jury willing to convict her of anything at all.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh I remember pregnancy brain..wait until you get to " pushing 60 " brain.

Congratulations to you

I have 4. Only one unmedicated and during labor, my Brain was convinced that a sledgehammer to shatter my lower back would have been most helpful. The only reason I didn't ask was because I knew they would say no. wasn't trying for awards but had wanted to avoid meds because I have had them. But since no pit--it really wasn't needed. Or maybe it was, but I was obsessed with the sledge hammer. They have one in every hospital, don't they?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

""He needed killing" seems like another take on jury nullification. The old yeah, we know he did "it" the prosecutor proved it but we're going to let him off because we think he had an OK reason for doing it.

That said, I'm not surprised that a dead dog gets more sympathy than ...

We can have sympathy for Mike Brown's death even if we think there is a chance the shooting was legally justified.

What is sad is that you just accused everyone who doesn't believe as you do about the shooting as thinking his life was of Less value than a dog.

Shame on you.

 

[Luvchefmic]

I have 4. Only one unmedicated and during labor, my Brain was convinced that a sledgehammer to shatter my lower back would have been most helpful. The only reason I didn't ask was because I knew they would say no. wasn't trying for awards but had wanted to avoid meds because I have had them. But since no pit--it really wasn't needed. Or maybe it was, but I was obsessed with the sledge hammer. They have one in every hospital, don't they?

They...whoever they is... say you forget all that pain SURE you do, my oldest will be 40 in 2 months. I remember it

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm not surprised at all.

ETA: Some folks dehumanize people they deem to be unworthy and anthropomorphize pets.

ETA2: does anyone else now have Cell Block Tango playing in their head?

Interesting that in the last two pages--no comment on the dead officer, no comment on the dead 9 yo. No comment on the non-white male shot dead by police in Salt Lake City.

It is funny how victims only merit your name when they meat a certain race qualifier and the shooter is a cop.

But my all means assume we think an injured dog is more important than a dead human. No comment about the man shot dead for stabbing a dog?

All expected, of course.

 

[Luvchefmic]

We can have sympathy for Mike Brown's death even if we think there is a chance the shooting was legally justified.

What is sad is that you just accused everyone who doesn't believe as you do about the shooting as thinking his life was of Less value than a dog.

Shame on you.

I was debating about addressing the two posters that said this. What a horrendous assumption to make. Thanks for addressing it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

There was one many years ago a couple hours from here. Woman raped by a drifter she tried to help. Police caught him in a barn near her house. Just as they were about to stuff him in the car, the victim appeared out of the darkness with a shotgun and shot him at point blank range. They couldn't find a jury willing to convict her of anything at all.

Oh my word!


So if we feel she should have been convicted--is that being unsympathetic to her and the rape she experienced?

 

[EMom]

""He needed killing" seems like another take on jury nullification. The old yeah, we know he did "it" the prosecutor proved it but we're going to let him off because we think he had an OK reason for doing it.

That said, I'm not surprised that a dead dog gets more sympathy than ...

It is a subset of jury nullification. I am still stunned that anyone who read my post thought I was saying it was an actual legal term. I thought the post made it clear it was not an actual part of the Criminal Code. It's not a legally recognized affirmative defense.

In Texas, you typically see it when the defendant has a story that the jury will find sympathetic, but that fits no affirmative defense. The defendant has no legal leg to stand on. The lawyer does not come out and argue that the victim needed killing. It is more subtle than that. He will find SOME theory of defense, no matter how weak or invalid and technically use that. But he will present every bit of evidence he can to sway the jury and they may "accept" the actual legal defense theory on paper, but really vote not guilty because the defendant is sympathetic and they identify with his reasons.

Without going into too much detail, I once knew a man who became aware that a young teen girl he knew had been repeatedly raped by her stepfather. The legal system could have taken care of the SF and eventually, it did. But before he could even be arrested, this man beat the SF nearly to death. Knowing the defendant and his capacity to charm and that people just LIKED him, I predicted that he might escape a guilty verdict despite the fact that he made it clear he had committed the crime. I said that even if he was convicted, he'd get a slap on the wrist. And that is what happened. The jury was so outraged by what had happened to the teen girl that they convicted him of the least serious charge they could and he got a probated sentence. It wasn't "He Needed Killing" but it was close to it......"He Needed Beating to Within an Inch of His Life."

We often see it when something heinous has happened to a person and someone else commits a crime against the original perpetrator as an act of revenge/justice. What our law professors told us was that if we prosecuted criminal law, we WOULD see this defense and we had better be ready for it. If we practiced defense law, at some point we would get a client who had no other chance aside from this. It happens everywhere. We just have a term for it in Texas that is a little bit different.

It is not as if you see it often, but you see it enough that you recognize it when you see it.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Back to the original question....because boy are we off the rails..once again

How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything?

My original answer was " It Doesn't "

Amended answer: It further divides people.

 

[robinb]

Interesting that in the last two pages--no comment on the dead officer, no comment on the dead 9 yo. No comment on the non-white male shot dead by police in Salt Lake City.

It is funny how victims only merit your name when they meat a certain race qualifier and the shooter is a cop.

But my all means assume we think an injured dog is more important than a dead human. No comment about the man shot dead for stabbing a dog?

All expected, of course.

I have been away from the DIS and the thread most of the day. I have only been able to read the very end if the thread. Was that what you expected? You jump to conclusions that embarrass you.

 

[CPT Tripss]

We can have sympathy for Mike Brown's death even if we think there is a chance the shooting was legally justified.

What is sad is that you just accused everyone who doesn't believe as you do about the shooting as thinking his life was of Less value than a dog.

Shame on you.

Those who disagreed and think the shooting in Ferguson will turn out to be ruled justified after an investigation and let it go at that are not the folks I meant. Sympathy for Mike Brown has not been evident in the previous posts from several posters who spent time on this thread tossing around terms like thugs and animal and that he got what he deserved. That's where you should direct your indignation.

 

[robinb]

Back to the original question....because boy are we off the rails..once again

How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything?

My original answer was " It Doesn't "

Amended answer: It further divides people.

Hmm ... I though we were all united against vandalism and looting. Did I miss something?

 

[CPT Tripss]

Interesting that in the last two pages--no comment on the dead officer, no comment on the dead 9 yo. No comment on the non-white male shot dead by police in Salt Lake City.

It is funny how victims only merit your name when they meat a certain race qualifier and the shooter is a cop.

But my all means assume we think an injured dog is more important than a dead human. No comment about the man shot dead for stabbing a dog?

All expected, of course.

What's the motivation to keep finding other crimes and posting them on this thread?

 

[CPT Tripss]

Back to the original question....because boy are we off the rails..once again

How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything?

My original answer was " It Doesn't "

Amended answer: It further divides people.

Well, it has started a policy discussion about the militarization of police departments.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Well, it has started a policy discussion about the militarization of police departments.

Actually that would be a political discussion and I'm not going to go against the rules here.

 

[Jedana]

It is a subset of jury nullification. I am still stunned that anyone who read my post thought I was saying it was an actual legal term. I thought the post made it clear it was not an actual part of the Criminal Code. It's not a legally recognized affirmative defense.

In Texas, you typically see it when the defendant has a story that the jury will find sympathetic, but that fits no affirmative defense. The defendant has no legal leg to stand on. The lawyer does not come out and argue that the victim needed killing. It is more subtle than that. He will find SOME theory of defense, no matter how weak or invalid and technically use that. But he will present every bit of evidence he can to sway the jury and they may "accept" the actual legal defense theory on paper, but really vote not guilty because the defendant is sympathetic and they identify with his reasons.

Without going into too much detail, I once knew a man who became aware that a young teen girl he knew had been repeatedly raped by her stepfather. The legal system could have taken care of the SF and eventually, it did. But before he could even be arrested, this man beat the SF nearly to death. Knowing the defendant and his capacity to charm and that people just LIKED him, I predicted that he might escape a guilty verdict despite the fact that he made it clear he had committed the crime. I said that even if he was convicted, he'd get a slap on the wrist. And that is what happened. The jury was so outraged by what had happened to the teen girl that they convicted him of the least serious charge they could and he got a probated sentence. It wasn't "He Needed Killing" but it was close to it......"He Needed Beating to Within an Inch of His Life."

We often see it when something heinous has happened to a person and someone else commits a crime against the original perpetrator as an act of revenge/justice. What our law professors told us was that if we prosecuted criminal law, we WOULD see this defense and we had better be ready for it. If we practiced defense law, at some point we would get a client who had no other chance aside from this. It happens everywhere. We just have a term for it in Texas that is a little bit different.

It is not as if you see it often, but you see it enough that you recognize it when you see it.

Sometimes justice is blind, sometimes she just turns her head, and there are times when she's awake and on point.

There was a situation where the dad walked in on an 18 year old with his preteen son. Dad beat the guy, called for help and no charges. Can't find the link on it.


There's also a case that's been going on where a dad and 2 boys were hit while pushing a pick up truck, got hit by a drunk driver--killed the boys. Dad is accused of getting a gun and killing the drunk driver.
I'm not ok with him killing the drunk driver. I have my personal thoughts on what the punishment should be for drunk driving--death isn't one of them---but an escalating fine/prison/loss of license/alcohol lock system and three strikes and you are imprisoned for life is.
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/prosecutor-killing-of-drunk-driver-an-execution

And this kid is apparently not rich, because he was convicted and is facing prison time. http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/ny-teen-faces-sentence-in-wreck-that-killed-4-pals (Unlike the "affluenza" kid--and don't get me started on that mess!)

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have been away from the DIS and the thread most of the day. I have only been able to read the very end if the thread. Was that what you expected? You jump to conclusions that embarrass you.

One-two pages back and not that difficult. You also have jumped to conclusions hence were called out. More than once.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What's the motivation to keep finding other crimes and posting them on this thread?

Recent occurrences where no looting or vandalism occurred. Also crimes that should have a national focus but are ignored. The question is--what is the motivation to ignore?