How does vandalism and looting accomplish anything???

[OurBigTrip]

you guys just don't like the fact that I don't see cops as the end all to be all.

Wrong again. I don't see the police as the be all end all, but I don't see them as the enemy either.

 

[Viva Las Disney]

In the US a person is presumed INNOCENT until proven otherwise. So if I've done nothing wrong, the assumption must ALWAYS, ALWAYS be that until you have proof or probable cause that it is other wise. I AM INNOCENT.

That means you do not have the right to "seize" or "search" or unlawfully detain me.

Now I am not going to escalate the situation but I am always going to ask, "is there a problem". If the officer says "no problem" than no I am not telling you my name, no I am not showing you id. In this country I get to walk down the street without id or telling my name to anyone be they, doctor, lawyer, indian chief or a cop.

If you think I am involved in some thing illegal, than you tell me what the problem is and we discuss.

I generally agree with this but sometimes it's necessary for the officers to secure the scene before any discussion can take place. If they are looking for a murder suspect 6 ft tall, wearing blue jeans, a white t-shirt, and a green hat driving a blue Honda and you just happen to fit all those descriptions they're probably not going to talk to you until you have been taken out of the car at gunpoint and are secured in handcuffs. Once the scene is secure they should have no problem talking to you about who, what, when, where, and why but if you come out of the car arguing and fighting it's much more likely to end badly.

There is a difference between rolling over and giving up your rights and escalating an already tense situation by arguing for no reason, I almost wonder if this isn't as simple as an introvert / extrovert, passive / aggressive personality trait issue the other side will never be able to comprehend. I'll go out of my way to be the peace keeper but I have some friends that love a good argument and will actively search one out.

 

[brunette8706]

Well, according to CNN, the police officer's name will be released tomorrow.

That should make the lynch mob happy.

Let's hope Spike Lee does NOT tweet the cops home address and phone number like he did on the Zimmerman case.

 

[Disneychick75]

Let's hope Spike Lee does tweet the cops home address and phone number like he did on the Zimmerman case.

He and his family are probably in hiding.

 

[Jeff in BigD]

It's a concept that's all the rage on many college campuses nowadays. It can be applied to many facets, so if you're a American-born, white, male, heterosexual, temporarily-able bodied, and aged 21-60... then our society practically worships you and heaps upon you all sorts of undeserved/unearned things solely on the basis of such physical attributes. "Check your privilege" is a phrased used to call out someone that is not seen as being sensitive enough to the systemic "unfairness" that others, outside their given privileged status, have to suffer with in life.

"Check your privilege" = "I don't agree or like what you're saying, so this is my attempt to shut you up"

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

He and his family are probably in hiding.

I hope so, because releasing his name at this point is a bad idea.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I hope so, because releasing his name at this point is a bad idea.

Yes, it's a very bad idea. But it isn't about what's right anymore, it's about appeasing a mob.

 

[pat fan]

Because very simply. people I love and respected fought and died for my right to be free of gestapo tactics.

In the US a person is presumed INNOCENT until proven otherwise. So if I've done nothing wrong, the assumption must ALWAYS, ALWAYS be that until you have proof or probable cause that it is other wise. I AM INNOCENT.

So, the cop is innocent then? Seems everyone has convicted him of first degree murder And for the millionth time, I am not saying he did nothing wrong, I am still waiting for the facts to come out.

You and my DH would get along great, but I have yet to see the oven's fired up so I think I'll skip the gestapo comparisons myself.

 

[Mokat76]

"Check your privilege" = "I don't agree or like what you're saying, so this is my attempt to shut you up"

Agree. Much easier to trot out a trite phrase than offer a well thought-out argument. It's silly and lazy.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Agree. Much easier to trot out a trite phrase than offer a well thought-out argument. It's silly and lazy.

Well said, and I agree 100%.

 

[Mokat76]

Let's hope Spike Lee does tweet the cops home address and phone number like he did on the Zimmerman case.

Shame on you! Why would you want this to happen? This officer's actions must be investigated but to advocate endangering him and his family is simply reprehensible. None of us pontificating here really knows what happened, including me. We've heard the hyperbole. That's all. But you're willing to turn this man over to a mob. Again, shame on you.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Last night was peaceful protesting, thank goodness.

 

[3 MEN AND A BOAT]

Shame on you! Why would you want this to happen? This officer's actions must be investigated but to advocate endangering him and his family is simply reprehensible. None of us pontificating here really knows what happened, including me. We've heard the hyperbole. That's all. But you're willing to turn this man over to a mob. Again, shame on you.

I assumed the poster meant "doesn't" although maybe I'm wrong.

 

[brunette8706]

I assumed the poster meant "doesn't" although maybe I'm wrong.

Meant to say does NOT. Sorry about that. Let me go back and correct my mistake.

 

[brunette8706]

Shame on you! Why would you want this to happen? This officer's actions must be investigated but to advocate endangering him and his family is simply reprehensible. None of us pontificating here really knows what happened, including me. We've heard the hyperbole. That's all. But you're willing to turn this man over to a mob. Again, shame on you.

I went back to edit what I wrote.

My verbiage should read as follows:

"Let's hope Spike Lee does NOT tweet the cops home address and phone number like he did in the Zimmerman's case."

 

[Airship Ariadne]

Nice to see what a change in police tactics can accomplish, night of peaceful protest. Hopefully the County Police will learn from their monumental screw-up.

 

[rickybobby]

lol.

a time or two. Once I was in a bar and the cops came in asking everyone where they lived and if they had id. I did just what I said above.

Why do you want to know where I live and no I do not have any id. The cop then asked me, why I did not have id and I said because I don't need it right now.

I then asked, "what's the problem officer" and he said " no problem". to which I said, "have a nice night"

My sons have been removed out of their car and had it searched (which there is a class action suit in progress).

When that crazy women said two black males hijacked her and her daughter only to be found in the Grand Floridian. cops in PA lost there minds and randomly started pulling African American males over, making them sit on the side of the highway, while they searched their cars.

Now I live in Philly, a city that is well known for it's police brutality and corruption.

In bar without ID? Did you have a drink?

 

[rickybobby]

by that logic, all social protest is disrespectful. Rosa parks refused the cops orders to get up. so by your logic she should have cooperated with the cops?

The colonist not buying British tea was I'm sure to the Brits, disrespectful.

to some cops, the very audacity of questioning them is disrespectful.

You seem to maintian hostility towards law enforcement. You must evolve as they must evolve to get to the point where it works. If you continue to think poorly of them based solely on the past, it can never work.
They may be acting on information that you are not aware of, such as a report that someone in the bar has just come from the scene of a violent crime, and is in possession of a firearm, and is still considered very dangerous. In that case, why not cooperate? You hold them in contempt, and therefore make their job that much more difficult.

 

[brunette8706]

In bar without ID? Did you have a drink?

*
LOL! I was thinking the same thing.

 

[rickybobby]

Wrong.

"I'd rather not answer your questions without an attorney"
"Screw you, I don't have to answer your questions".

One is respectful, one isn't.

Amen