How do you save for kids college fund?

I can afford a public college to my children. I think offering them a free college education is a generous offer. It may not be their first choice, but I am ok with that. That is still what we are offering.

They can choose to receive a free, paid by mom and dad education, or they can CHOOSE to pay more themselves. I think that is more than fair.

We have assets. We will not qualify for any aid or help. We also don't want to be a burden on our children in our old age by spending more than we should for their college education.

Heck, my child may want to go to our local private high school to the tune of $21K for tuition only for 9th-12th grade. Guess what? They do not have a choice, they aren't going.

I make no apologies for the way we are choosing to fund our children's college. If I can pay more at the time, we will reconsider, but for now, this is what we are offering.

Dawn

I agree a free college education is a generous thing. I think where you and I and I guess many others disagree is I don't think it is a good idea to burden a young adult with all those loans. I think it is more practical to say, "We can pay for a state school. If you can go to a private for around the same cost, great. However, we will not be cosigning any loans for you." Since a student needs a cosigner for private loans, that effectively limits him/her to a public school , unless they get great aid at a private, which in the case of parents who have a lot of assets, is unlikely. You don't want to be a burden to your children in your old age; I take it a step further and would not want to burden my child with tons of loans in their young adulthood. Some kids these days are coming out of college with loan payments that are as big as a mortgage payment. I just think that's insane. I'm not sure young adults appreciate the magnitude of some of these loans, as they haven't had any real life experience with supporting themselves yet. My daughter and I had the talk about college loans and what we could afford last year. I don't have a ton of money. It's only been the last few years I've been back on my feet after an unexpected divorce when she was an infant and going back to college myself. We looked at a lot of schools. She applied to five or six, but she knew from the get-go that she could not attend any of them unless the net price was very close to UCONN. I was not going to let her take any more than the Stafford loans. I consider even those a burden to a young adult, and I hope to be able to help her pay some of them off after she graduates. Didn't promise her that, though. She wasn't thrilled about UCONN (way too big for her tastes), but she understood it was almost a given that she would attend there. Fortunately, we were very blessed and her first choice school gave her a terrific pkg., but she would have gone to UCONN with minimal loans if she had to. She might not have been thrilled, but it would have been the prudent thing to do for the sake of both our financial futures.

Did you know that there are multiple loan companies that will loan a college student up to $120,000? I just think that's crazy and would not let my daughter ever do that. Not to mention that I would not want to cosign for anything near that amount. As I said, I think even the full Stafford limit is tough for a recent college grad to handle. We were doubly blessed in that her pkg. does not even include the maximum Stafford loan this year.

I think every hs senior needs at least one financial safety which they are certain they and their family can afford, and where they would be reasonably content.
 
We did a 529 in the form of a state pre-pay program. First two kids are paid in full, and we are working on the 3rd. Haven't started on the 4th and won't until the 3rd is paid. Ours is in the state of Florida. Other states have them as well.

Thus far it is just tuition and fees. At least it is better than nothing.:laughing:
 
Would I be correct in assuming that your FAFSA efc WAS the price of your public? Yes, thought that was clear, sorry. If so, the private used your efc and met full need. Actually, no, it had nothing to do with our efc - my child earned a scholarship that is offered to everyone with his gradepoint. Pretty much the same thing with the out of state school. This is what you said: Just because we've saved carefully and can pay for our child to go to a state school, doesn't mean we have the money to pay for a private. I would much rather have my children go to a small private school, but first of all it's not my choice, and second of all we can only afford to pay for the state flagship.
I am talking about people who DO have the ability to pay for a private education, but CHOOSE not to, so obviously I am not referring to anyone in your situation. Two completely different situations.

ETA: You know, I just re-read my original post #92, and I see that I did NOT explain myself well at all in the first few sentences of that post. I think my subsequent post was a little better. I was referring to families who can afford to pay for more than a public school, but choose not to.[/QUOTE]

It is my experience that many mid-level schools offer merit scholarships to top students that help them meet the price of the flagship state school - regardless of EFC. They want those strong students. DS hung with the smart kids and many of his friends with lots of money got those offers. Many of them say the gpa and amounts right on their website. It's a good deal for good students. Competitive schools don't always meet the EFC. But if your child is a good student, there's no reason to tell them they can't find a private mid-level school they can attend for the same price as a state school. It's simply not true.

My answers in red. The quotes are all goofed up.
 
Define "ability to pay."

I guess technically I have the ability to pay the $500K for all 3 kids to go to a more expensive college. It would require massive loans and probably the sale of our home, but I suppose someone would lend us that $$.

However, public college costs are what we feel very comfortable paying.

Dawn



I am talking about people who DO have the ability to pay for a private education, but CHOOSE not to, so obviously I am not referring to anyone in your situation. Two completely different situations.
 

I didn't quote since it's all goofed up, but I still think ctinct is jumping to conclusions that people haven't talked to their kids about loans etc. I still don't get why she would jump to that conclusion based on someone saying they'll only pay the price of a public school - for whatever reason.
 
15 months ago, I was back in the US between overseas assignments and part of the trip was visiting several universities (RSDI, Brown, ASU, Georgetown, GWU) to give my daughter an idea of different sizes and types. I had a reason to be in each location so we used what was available. We had talked about what I was willing to contribute but it wasn't until she sat down with the tuition and room & board and fees at each school that it became clear. She couldn't fathom graduating with enough debt to buy a small house when she could graduate debt-free.

Even for those parents who are capable of giving a full-ride, it would typically be at the expense of retirement savings. And I'm one of those parents that firmly believe that the kid needs to have some skin in the game. For my daughter, that will likely be savings from her earnings during her gap year. I also had no desire for us to spend the time and money on "expanding the mind" without some sort of goal. I don't mind if she spends five years and comes out with a dual-major as long as she has something marketable at the end.

For some high schools, especially those internationally, kids going on to highly-regarded colleges is the end-all and be-all.

My girlfriend's kid is a junior at a sort-of religious school. It was the best of the limited options that were available and has Bible Study as a required course. While otherwise a good student, she is barely skating by in this class so her and her mother were called in for a session with the advisor. When asked how she expected to get into an Ivy with work habits like she was showing (this is the first year in that school so the advisor doesn't really know her work habits), she replied she was going to go to a community college. The advisor had no response, I was told that it looked like he couldn't believe one of their students would say such a thing.
 
Define "ability to pay."

I guess technically I have the ability to pay the $500K for all 3 kids to go to a more expensive college. It would require massive loans and probably the sale of our home, but I suppose someone would lend us that $$.

However, public college costs are what we feel very comfortable paying.

Dawn

Hey, that's actually my plan to pay for my younger DD's college. I want to downsize when she graduates HS and use the equity in my home to pay for school. I will pay as much as I can for my girls (and have started for the first one) as long as they do their part, which is to study and get good grades.

Will this come at the expense of my retirement? Maybe, but I believe I have adequate retirement savings in place, and while we may not be able to afford a European vacation each year, we are not going to be eating cat food either.

One thing I will not do is pay for a fifth (or sixth) year of college. Barring serious illness, there is no reason a child can't finish in 4 years. DD18 is currently on track to do a fifth year abroad program, but unless she gets a full tuition scholarship for that (and her grades are on track to do that) I'm not paying (that's kind of OT since it will be post graduate).
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with saying "I will pay for a State school and if you want to go out of state or private, you are responsible for the difference." You aren't saying you can't go. You aren't saying "I am unwilling to pay for your education." You are giving them the option of the decision and using cost as a factor. I can get around in a Chevy but I may want a Mercedes. I have to decide if the Mercedes is worth the sacrafice, but at the end of the day, I am still getting to and from work. For some, the Mercedes is worth it, for others it isn't.
That's a good analogy, but take it a step farther: Is it better for a young adult on an entry-level salary to have that Chevy debt-free . . . or to make payments on the Mercedes? We as adults know that having the Mercedes may be awfully sweet, but it may also mean going back home to live with Mom & Dad, it may mean delaying retirement savings. Is it really all that great a thing in the long run?

And throw in that the student must choose whether to get the Chevy or the Mercedes at 17-18 years old. The Mercedes may be quite enticing, but it's a parent's job to let the student know the true, full implications of both decisions -- and to throw in the option of driving a Jeep. Teens aren't experienced in making these big decisions, so they need help and guidance!
I agree a free college education is a generous thing. I think where you and I and I guess many others disagree is I don't think it is a good idea to burden a young adult with all those loans. I think it is more practical to say, "We can pay for a state school. If you can go to a private for around the same cost, great. However, we will not be cosigning any loans for you."
This is very similar to our opinion, though in my experience few students get the private-is-less-expensive offers, and those students who do tend to also get offers from the state schools too.

The wisest choice of action is to investigate all avenues available to your student, and see what he personally is offered. But while you're searching, keep the student well grounded in the idea that "These couple schools are the most likely possibilities -- these are the ones we can afford without help. Maybe the others'll work out, maybe they won't, but for sure we have these".

One slightly off-topic note: If you DO co-sign loans for your student, take out life insurance on him. This need hadn't occured to me until a couple years ago when I saw something on 20-20 about a family whose son had died before discharging some very large student loans . . . and since the parents had co-signed for him, they were forced to pay those loans. If memory serves, I think the parents were unable to retire because of this. It was a tragic story -- I mean, it's bad enough to lose your young adult child, but to find yourself forced to continue to pay for an education he never really used? Insurance.
Define "ability to pay."

I guess technically I have the ability to pay the $500K for all 3 kids to go to a more expensive college. It would require massive loans and probably the sale of our home, but I suppose someone would lend us that $$.

However, public college costs are what we feel very comfortable paying.

Dawn
That's a fair question. Ability to pay doesn't mean, "Do you have X amount in the bank?" It means should you allocate this amount of money to college? We're not 7-year olds who can spend every penny they have on candy, knowing that allowance'll come around again next week -- we have to plan our spending.

We have the money and could pay for our two kids to go to an outrageously expensive college, but it wouldn't be a wise decision in the end. Why? First, college isn't the only thing for which we need to pay. We also need to think about our retirement. I want to have savings left to pay for weddings, to build the retirement house we want, to do nice things with our grandchildren. I don't think it's a favor to the kids to pauper ourselves so they can have THE SCHOOL and then have to have them support us in our elderly years. Second, not going to college would be a bad thing; not going to your first choice is just a bump in the road.

Students can develop tunnel-vision when it comes to college. They get the idea that THIS SCHOOL is IT . . . but being young, they're not thinking about the big picture. They see that the college they choose is a big deal, but they tend to lose focus of the fact that it's four years . . . then it's done. I'm thinking of one of my students who adores a certain small, private school because the dorms are wonderful: All suites, kitchenettes with granite countertops, check-out ipads and game systems . . . but their academics are not great. What matters in the long run is that they have the diploma. For a kid like my oldest who plans to go into nursing, it doesn't matter whether she has a fancy-schmancy school name on that diploma (and the debt to go with it) or whether she has a diploma from State U; what matters is that she can pass the state nursing boards and get a license to work.

So it's a parent's job not JUST to help the student choose a college, but to think beyond to the financial needs and goals that'll come later: A nice house, travel, marriage, retirement savings. Spending it all on college -- on the Mercedes mentioned in an above post -- may be fun, but will it be worthwhile if the student is then forced to drive a used Volkswagen for 10 years or more after college?
 
Students can develop tunnel-vision when it comes to college. They get the idea that THIS SCHOOL is IT . . . but being young, they're not thinking about the big picture. They see that the college they choose is a big deal, but they tend to lose focus of the fact that it's four years . . . then it's done. What matters in the long run is that they have the diploma. For a kid like my oldest who plans to go into nursing, it doesn't matter whether she has a fancy-schmancy school name on that diploma (and the debt to go with it) or whether she ahs a diploma from State U; what matters is that she can pass the state nursing boards and get a license to work.

And if your daughter wanted to be an investment banker, you might be looking at it and saying "name school is important." And figuring that her passion for the stock market and interest in annual reports as a high schooler, plus her good grades, made that sort of investment worthwhile.
 
I have some questions and would love feedback, especially from anyone who happens to live in MA and has experienced these scenarios.

Here in Boston, we are surrounded by many private colleges and universities. Great choices, but much more expensive than a state school. (Lets just average it and say about 3X as much...some are clearly much higher like BC, etc)

If your child doesnt get into the state school, and that is your plan, what is your plan b for a private school tuition? Mine are high school but not seniors so we arent there yet. (Curious specifically about anyone who has had recent experience with admissions to our state schools here in MA)

Secondly, for those of you with more than one child planning to go to college, what if one goes to a state school and the other private? With such a large difference in pricing how do you keep things fair? I have some thoughts on this but would be interested in hearing feedback.

I know the state schools for many states are huge....much larger than ours so I wondered how that can impact students and their choices.
 
I was being a bit tongue in cheek there. We know what our ability to pay is. The argument was "if you have the ability to pay, you should pay for private or an expensive school." I wanted to hear from the poster what she meant.

We KNOW what we are able to pay without going it being a hardship, and that is what we are willing to offer. We think it is fair and appropriate.

Should our children need a different school for their needs, we will reassess. However, we will certainly look at all the options before contributing.

Dawn

We have the money and could pay for our two kids to go to an outrageously expensive college, but it wouldn't be a wise decision in the end. Why? First, college isn't the only thing for which we need to pay. We also need to think about our retirement. I want to have savings left to pay for weddings, to build the retirement house we want, to do nice things with our grandchildren. I don't think it's a favor to the kids to pauper ourselves so they can have THE SCHOOL and then have to have them support us in our elderly years. Second, not going to college would be a bad thing; not going to your first choice is just a bump in the road.

Students can develop tunnel-vision when it comes to college. They get the idea that THIS SCHOOL is IT . . . but being young, they're not thinking about the big picture. They see that the college they choose is a big deal, but they tend to lose focus of the fact that it's four years . . . then it's done. I'm thinking of one of my students who adores a certain small, private school because the dorms are wonderful: All suites, kitchenettes with granite countertops, check-out ipads and game systems . . . but their academics are not great. What matters in the long run is that they have the diploma. For a kid like my oldest who plans to go into nursing, it doesn't matter whether she has a fancy-schmancy school name on that diploma (and the debt to go with it) or whether she has a diploma from State U; what matters is that she can pass the state nursing boards and get a license to work.

So it's a parent's job not JUST to help the student choose a college, but to think beyond to the financial needs and goals that'll come later: A nice house, travel, marriage, retirement savings. Spending it all on college -- on the Mercedes mentioned in an above post -- may be fun, but will it be worthwhile if the student is then forced to drive a used Volkswagen for 10 years or more after college?
 
Well, this is why WE have told our kids "We will pay the equivalent of the public school and you will need to cover the rest."

However, often times I do know that with scholarships and grants, the cost can come down close to public education costs.

This is not necessarily a hard and fast rule, but we do know that we want to be fair as well. We have 3 kids and hope NOT to go into any debt putting them through college and we don't' want them to have to incur debt either.

Sometimes it is not equal.....that is just how it goes. Child A thrives at school and gets into a school that is a Tier 1 school but it costs more. He/She has demonstrated that it is important, he/she reaps the benefits of working harder. That is just life.

I don't wish to be blatantly unfair by any means, but sometimes that is how it goes.

However, some parents choose to give the other child (who spends less) the extra $$ to even things out.

It really is all about parent's choices. What do YOU think is fair for your children? If you are asking the question, my guess is that you really care about your children enough to do what you and they will find equitable.

Dawn

I have some questions and would love feedback, especially from anyone who happens to live in MA and has experienced these scenarios.

Here in Boston, we are surrounded by many private colleges and universities. Great choices, but much more expensive than a state school. (Lets just average it and say about 3X as much...some are clearly much higher like BC, etc)

If your child doesnt get into the state school, and that is your plan, what is your plan b for a private school tuition? Mine are high school but not seniors so we arent there yet. (Curious specifically about anyone who has had recent experience with admissions to our state schools here in MA)

Secondly, for those of you with more than one child planning to go to college, what if one goes to a state school and the other private? With such a large difference in pricing how do you keep things fair? I have some thoughts on this but would be interested in hearing feedback.

I know the state schools for many states are huge....much larger than ours so I wondered how that can impact students and their choices.
 
I would actually like to downsize NOW, but the market is such that it will not happen any time soon.

Dawn


Hey, that's actually my plan to pay for my younger DD's college. I want to downsize when she graduates HS and use the equity in my home to pay for school. I will pay as much as I can for my girls (and have started for the first one) as long as they do their part, which is to study and get good grades.

Will this come at the expense of my retirement? Maybe, but I believe I have adequate retirement savings in place, and while we may not be able to afford a European vacation each year, we are not going to be eating cat food either.

One thing I will not do is pay for a fifth (or sixth) year of college. Barring serious illness, there is no reason a child can't finish in 4 years. DD18 is currently on track to do a fifth year abroad program, but unless she gets a full tuition scholarship for that (and her grades are on track to do that) I'm not paying (that's kind of OT since it will be post graduate).
 
I'm sure I'll get a lot of rotten tomatoes thrown at me for saying this, but we DON'T save for their college expenses! We are set up that we can help with spending money and books, but we will not send all five (so far!!) to college on a full ride! My husband worked his way through college and paid off all student loan debt within two years by HARD WORK! Lots of overtime (at the time he was an hourly employee) and frugal living. Our children can do the same. My brother is currently working his way through college. We help him a bit here and there, nothing substantial, but every bit helps. He will graduate with a significant amount of debt, but like my husband, he plans to pay it off within a few years by working overtime (assuming he's hourly), working a second job if needed, and living cheap.

We save for our retirement so that we can help them out with what I've mentioned before, such as books or spending money. Students can take out loans, but there is not a retirement loan. (Unless, of course, one taps into a reverse mortgage, but that's a bad choice and a different topic all together).

Go ahead. Toss those yucky tomatoes here!! ;)
 
If you can't do it, you can't do it.

However, if the argument is simply, "Well, we had to pay our own way and gosh darn it, our kids won't be getting a penny from me because we never got anything." then I would have to disagree with you.

I have never taken for granted that my parents paid for my undergrad.

Dawn

I'm sure I'll get a lot of rotten tomatoes thrown at me for saying this, but we DON'T save for their college expenses! We are set up that we can help with spending money and books, but we will not send all five (so far!!) to college on a full ride! My husband worked his way through college and paid off all student loan debt within two years by HARD WORK! Lots of overtime (at the time he was an hourly employee) and frugal living. Our children can do the same. My brother is currently working his way through college. We help him a bit here and there, nothing substantial, but every bit helps. He will graduate with a significant amount of debt, but like my husband, he plans to pay it off within a few years by working overtime (assuming he's hourly), working a second job if needed, and living cheap.

We save for our retirement so that we can help them out with what I've mentioned before, such as books or spending money. Students can take out loans, but there is not a retirement loan. (Unless, of course, one taps into a reverse mortgage, but that's a bad choice and a different topic all together).

Go ahead. Toss those yucky tomatoes here!! ;)
 
I'm sure I'll get a lot of rotten tomatoes thrown at me for saying this, but we DON'T save for their college expenses! We are set up that we can help with spending money and books, but we will not send all five (so far!!) to college on a full ride! My husband worked his way through college and paid off all student loan debt within two years by HARD WORK!

No tomatoes here but I would make a couple of comments.

Saving for college is not an all or nothing proposition. Just because you don't want to provide a "full ride" doesn't mean you couldn't provide a partial ride.

The other thing I'd say is what I brought up earlier. College costs have risen way faster than inflation or wages. Working your way through college is exceedingly more difficult today than it was 10 or 20 years ago. It pretty much necessitates just going to school part time if you have to pay your own way unless you've got a really good job - not the typical minimum wage college student job.
 
I would actually like to downsize NOW, but the market is such that it will not happen any time soon.

Dawn

Well in our case, it would be in 5 years so time for the market to recover somewhat (not that it ever plummeted here like in some places), but I think my house is too big now, with just the 3 of us left. It's just that if I can help it, I am not leaving the school district until DD12 graduates in 5 years.
 
We have 5-6 years as well, but honestly, I do not see the market coming back in that period of time. I want it to, but I don't see it happening.

Dawn

Well in our case, it would be in 5 years so time for the market to recover somewhat (not that it ever plummeted here like in some places), but I think my house is too big now, with just the 3 of us left. It's just that if I can help it, I am not leaving the school district until DD12 graduates in 5 years.
 
We have 5-6 years as well, but honestly, I do not see the market coming back in that period of time. I want it to, but I don't see it happening.

Dawn

Well the real estate market is a whole other thread. Even given a worst case scenario, we should have enough equity in the house to cover a down payment on a small condo and 4 years of school.
 
We would too, but DH won't agree to a condo. It would have to be a smaller house and it would still have to have acreage. I can't get him to even consider a small lot.

Dawn

Well the real estate market is a whole other thread. Even given a worst case scenario, we should have enough equity in the house to cover a down payment on a small condo and 4 years of school.
 

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