How do thinking people take Rush Limbaugh seriously?

[SwedishMeatball]

Gotta comment on that one. I've lived in both New York and Pennsylvania, and if there's any place moderate Republicans should be a plenty, it's here... and I have to tell you, not only is that not the case in my experience, the party of Goldwater, and even Gerry Ford is long gone, even from moderate strongholds like the Northeast, imho.

Well I've never been to those places, but I'm not sure why that would be the place that moderate Republicans should be aplenty. I always had a perception that the NE was very liberal. Maybe the conservatives there just feel that as part of the minority they need to come across as more adamant about their beliefs.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Peter Stark from this past Fall

"You don't have money to fund the war or children. But you're going to spend it, to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq, to get their heads blown off, for the president's amusement."

So because Representative Stark is furious with the administration's war you're saying he called 'the military killers'?

That's not what I heard at all. I believe he doesn't want anyone to die in Iraq in the name of the U.S. And that the funding for that war is bankrupting our country. He doesn't want Americans or Iraqis to be sacrificed. But as we say here YMMV. But I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

 

[eclectics]

Well I've never been to those places, but I'm not sure why that would be the place that moderate Republicans should be aplenty. I always had a perception that the NE was very liberal. Maybe the conservatives there just feel that as part of the minority they need to come across as more adamant about their beliefs.

The Northeast has always been a haven of sorts for both Liberals and Moderates of both parties. Liberal and Moderate Republicans have been elected quite extensively in New York up until the Reagan years when the gradual slide to the right became much more fashionable for Republicans.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

The Northeast has always been a haven of sorts for both Liberals and Moderates of both parties. Liberal and Moderate Republicans have been elected quite extensively in New York up until the Reagan years when the gradual slide to the right became much more fashionable for Republicans.

Not to change the subject, but that reminds me that I saw a poll today which showed how McCain would fare against both Obama and Hillary in New York. I wish I could remember who it was by, but I believe it showed him 2 points behind Hillary and 1 or 2 points ahead of Obama. I was pretty amazed that it could ever be so tight there.

 

[eclectics]

So because Representative Stark is furious with the administration's war you're saying he called 'the military killers'?

That's not what I heard at all. I believe he doesn't want anyone to die in Iraq in the name of the U.S. And that the funding for that war is bankrupting our country. He doesn't want Americans or Iraqis to be sacrificed. But as we say here YMMV. But I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

Me either. Although it was a heated comment and he did apologize for it, it could hardly be spun into what SPM said it was, imho.

 

[eclectics]

Not to change the subject, but that reminds me that I saw a poll today which showed how McCain would fare against both Obama and Hillary in New York. I wish I could remember who it was by, but I believe it showed him 2 points behind Hillary and 1 or 2 points ahead of Obama. I was pretty amazed that it could ever be so tight there.

The polls I have seen show Obama actually rebounding quite nicely, albeit gradually, nationwide against McCain and even inching up better than expected in PA against Hillary. That said, I take all polls with a huge grain of salt.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

The polls I have seen show Obama actually rebounding quite nicely, albeit gradually, nationwide against McCain and even inching up better than expected in PA against Hillary. That said, I take all polls with a huge grain of salt.

Yeah, especially at this point in the game.

 

[eclectics]

Yeah, especially at this point in the game.

It's a long way to Tipperary....

 

[Fitswimmer]

Gotta comment on that one. I've lived in both New York and Pennsylvania, and if there's any place moderate Republicans should be a plenty, it's here... and I have to tell you, not only is that not the case in my experience, the party of Goldwater, and even Gerry Ford is long gone, even from moderate strongholds like the Northeast, imho.

I would think the same-but here in NW NJ, the Red folks are VERY Red. I've always thought that because the area is in total Blue and there are a lot of liberals here, the conservatives that do live in the area move VERY far right. Just my theory...

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

I'm not seeing the words "soldiers are killers" in there anywhere. You'll have to put that in bold for me.

And it would seem that Stark is as much concerned about Americans getting "their heads blown off" as he is that they are "blowing up innocent people."

please, saying "we are blowing up INNOCENT people" is implying murder...and its the troops who are doing the murdering...

he apologized TO THE MILITARY...and you are splitting hairs.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

Gotta comment on that one. I've lived in both New York and Pennsylvania, and if there's any place moderate Republicans should be a plenty, it's here... and I have to tell you, not only is that not the case in my experience, the party of Goldwater, and even Gerry Ford is long gone, even from moderate strongholds like the Northeast, imho.

well, I live in the northeast and am involved in local Republican politics.

The vast majority (in fact I cannot think of a person I know personally who doesn't feel this way) of Republicans here are fiscal conservatives who believe in strong defense, and most aren't "social" conservatives....

Its why McCain won here in 2000...

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

Stark's isolated, albeit heated and derogatory, comment hardly equates to your statement. Plus, the flavor of your comment seems to indicate it happens all the time and by many members.

Murtha also likened the troops the murderers, and then of course there's the comments Dubrin made comparing our troops treatment of prisoners at Gitmo to Nazi Germany...

so thats three examples off the top of my head. Hardly isolated that 3 prominent Dems made such remarks....

 

[Charade]

Murtha also likened the troops the murderers, and then of course there's the comments Dubrin made comparing our troops treatment of prisoners at Gitmo to Nazi Germany...

so thats three examples off the top of my head. Hardly isolated that 3 prominent Dems made such remarks....

And then you have Sen. Rockefeller slamming McCain . He pretty much accused him of the same thing.

Rockefeller said this: “McCain was a fighter pilot, who dropped laser-guided bombs from 35,000 feet. He was long gone when they hit. What happened when they got to the ground? He doesn’t know. You have to care about the lives of people. McCain never gets into those issues.”

Later he said he "erred" about McCain. What about? That laser guide missles weren't used in VN? That fighter pilots during VN didn't drop from 35,000 ft? Or that McCain didn't care what happened when the bombs hit?

 

[TeresaNJ]

During the 12:30 segment of his radio show today, Rush went off on a tirade against Hillary Clinton for promising that she would appoint a 'drug czar' for the war against drugs if she became President.

Rush used that as a starting point for a tirade in which he noted that "we already have all sorts of laws and policies in place to fight drugs, and that if Hillary feels the need to appoint a czar, it's proof that all the liberal laws and policies already in place are ineffective. If you need a czar to coordinate everything, whatever you're doing to that point is a failure." (By the way, it's news to me that drug laws are the property of one party or another, but I digress...)

Rush continued along this line and managed to go on for several minutes. I kept listening to see if he would bring up the following point, and he didn't;

On Tuesday, May 16th of last year, President Bush appointed Army Lt. Gen. Douglas E. Lute to serve as the new White House "war czar" overseeing the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051501612.html

So, Rush, given your stated position about how appointing a czar signifies failure, what does that say about the war in Iraq?

I fully understand that it's a free country, and that Rush has the right to say what he wants. The sad commentary is that there's enough people out there without basic critical thinking skills that have allowed Rush to identify a niche market and for him to shrewdly get rich off of their inability/unwillingness to think for themselves and feed them exactly what he knows they want to hear, regardless of reality.

Ah yes, another post on how Conservatives have no critical thinking skills and are unable to think for themselves. That's one hell of a lot of people considering the size and scope of his audience, isn't it? By the way, why were YOU listening to him?

 

[Fitswimmer]

And then you have Sen. Rockefeller slamming McCain . He pretty much accused him of the same thing.



Later he said he "erred" about McCain. What about? That laser guide missles weren't used in VN? That fighter pilots during VN didn't drop from 35,000 ft? Or that McCain didn't care what happened when the bombs hit?

I thought that was a classless thing for Rockefeller to say-the apology was too little, too late as far as I was concerned. I've never been much of a fan of Rockefeller's anyway.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Ah yes, another post on how Conservatives have no critical thinking skills and are unable to think for themselves. That's one hell of a lot of people considering the size and scope of his audience, isn't it? By the way, why were YOU listening to him?

Comic relief?

 

[wvrevy]

StrollPatrolMom - Are you saying no innocent people have been killed in Iraq? Because if there HAVE been, then wouldn't his statement be perfectly accurate and truthful? So why the outrage?

I thought that was a classless thing for Rockefeller to say-the apology was too little, too late as far as I was concerned. I've never been much of a fan of Rockefeller's anyway.

It wasn't classless, but it wasn't very tactful, either. The point is that McCain, for all that he is a veteran who ought to know better, has consistently voted against veterans benefits including expanded medical care and education, and seems to have no grasp at all of the damage being done on the ground in Iraq (much as he didn't when he was flying that jet at 35,000 feet...which is what Rockefeller was saying).

I know Jay, though not terribly well. Trust me, the guy has all the respect in the world for the military. He was just making an analogy that didn't come out quite right, which is why he just issued a blanket apology.

 

[Charade]

Comic relief?

I don't listen to Air America for that. I try to listen to see how the "other side" thinks. Isn't that what we should all be doing instead of disparaging those that listen to people like Rush (I don't much anymore because he's not on XM radio). It's a common tactic for the some on left to not only disparage the ideas of those they disagree with, but to disparage them on a personal level. This has been demonstrated (once again) by some of the comments on this thread.

And to preempt the expected response "they do it too!", I agree and that's just as wrong but I don't see it happening at the same frequency.

 

[LuvDuke]

I'm not seeing the words "soldiers are killers" in there anywhere. You'll have to put that in bold for me. "

Nor can the poster find anything that backs up their statement: "We're getting an argument from the "Bush Lied" our military members are killers crowd on "respect for institutions".

Day #2 and still waiting.

 

[Charade]

It wasn't classless, but it wasn't very tactful, either. The point is that McCain, for all that he is a veteran who ought to know better, has consistently voted against veterans benefits including expanded medical care and education, and seems to have no grasp at all of the damage being done on the ground in Iraq (much as he didn't when he was flying that jet at 35,000 feet...which is what Rockefeller was saying).

I know Jay, though not terribly well. Trust me, the guy has all the respect in the world for the military. He was just making an analogy that didn't come out quite right, which is why he just issued a blanket apology.

Well, not that it's unexpected, I thought it was classless and the apology was weak.

I will admit that I'm not up on McCain's voting record in regards to VA affairs but if that's true, it's quite suprising given the fact he was a POW for such a long time and still carries the "scars" from it.