how bad is this going to hurt DL?

[cristen]

I was on Mice Age this morning and saw they have the trailer for The Mummy on there. Did you guys see it yet? Here is the link

http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al030204a.htm

you have to scroll all the way to the bottom.

It looks really KeWl. I want to know why Disney didn't do something like this first, and how bad is this going to hurt DL?

 

[YoHo]

It'll be bad for DL, but when did they start building this? It sounds like it'll be out way before Everest too.

 

[bretsyboo]

The mummy will be incredible, it's replacing kongfrontation here in Orlando dunno about Cali.

It features an AA figure that will literally jump up at every vehicle, it's theming is said to be indiana jones like, and the ending is still being kept top secret.

It opens this year, but I'm not sure when.

It shows that while Disney used to be the place you went for the best attractions, now they aren't even keeping up. Shrek has a 3D show that literally moves you, IOA is getting a 100million dark ride...Disney is retreading water.

 

[cristen]

Bret,

I didn't realize that they were building it for both parks. So Disney is getting a double whammy?

That's really bad.

I kept thinking when I was watching the trailer that they could do something like that at DCA was Monsters Inc. or something. Instead they are getting a clone of ToT, which I hear half the ride isn't even in the Cali version. So sad.

 

[Peter Pirate]

I don't see anything sad about it. If it's that great and people flock to it Disney will sooner or later have to react in kind. I think M:S and E:E are big steps in that direction, but if Mummy is all it's cracked up to be the ante will be high.

Either way the public wins.

 

[bretsyboo]

monsieur pirate, take off the patch and wipe the sleep out of your eyes. There is a lot of good about M:S, but it's not the complete experience from queue to post show that a truly great attraction makes. Basically the building looks awesome, and the ride itself is awesome, but there is nothing else that will ooh and ahh someone. E:E could be such an experience, but signs are already starting to point to no. There have already been a few cuts, and a few desperation hunts for money. It's a RUNAWAY TRAIN ON A MOUNTAIN. Such an original and exciting experience you'd have to go all the way to the magic kingdom to find something similar. It's a combo of the matterhorn and BTM souped up for modern thrills and that's not something to get truly incredibly excited about, and certainly its lack of originality proves Disney isn't an industry leader anymore (which is sad for Disney, and for lovers of Disney).

The mummy starts you off slow, takes you from scene by scene before giving you coaster like thrills and AA feats never attempted before. Without knowing the finale this ride justr sounds exciting.

Disney has yet to catch up to Spiderman, and now Universal gives us the mummy, so yeah, for we who want Disney to go above and Beyond everyone else watching them not even compete is SAD.

 

[cristen]

Mr. Pirate sir,

this is exactly what is behind almost every discussion on these boards.

Disney is not supposed to be reacting to the industry, they are supposed to lead the industry.

I know, I know, what difference does it make who does it first, as long as the public gets it eventually. (disclaimer: I have never ridden M:S, so this is just an observation) But M:S does not look to be on par with The Mummy as far as innovation goes. The Mummy looks like they put much more thought and care into creating a story and making an truly great ride. M:S scares people away with all the puke bags it installs into the ride. E:E does seem to be better as far as thought and story. We'll see.

I know the talent and ideas are out there, Disney is just not letting the ideas come to be.

 

[Peter Pirate]

Sure they're supposed to be leading and not following, you'll get no argument from me, but I thought you wished to discuss the ramifications of a new blockbuster attraction by a competitor.

I don't find it sad that Disney may be forced to ante up in order to keep up...If you meant how sad that Disney isn't doing the leading, I misunderstood, and again, I agree but that discussion is tired don't you think?

I'm actualy thrilled that somebody may light a fire under those who still may care and with a little help (Ouimet at DL, Weiss at WDW and maybe anybody new as CEO) steps can be made to begin to reclaim their rightful position as innovator instead of reactor.

There are so many things, all intertwined and related that need to fall into place for real, meaningful change to occur it seems daunting, but still one only needs look as far as Ouimet to see rays of hope available to us.

 

[Peter Pirate]

I forgot to address M:S, I disagree with the negativity surrounding this awesome attraction. It is not in the catagory of Mummy or Indy or Spidey, it's all by itself. Could it have been better, yeah, I guess, but what couldn't.

This is exciting, adreneline inducing (not to mention beautiful) and fun and if it didn't hit a home run with the public I think it's standing on third with a triple.

 

[daannzzz]

I thought EE was going to be fairly neat but it doesn't sound like there will be near the visuals inside of the mountain as in Mummy.
The Mummy Coaster in Hollywood is taking the place of the ET attraction and since the building is smaller than the Kong building it will be a bit different in Californian than in Florida.

 

[bretsyboo]

Here is the thing, everyone assumes Disney will hop to as soon as another park builds a killer ride. They assume that a competitors success will ultimately push disney into doing something.

Hahahahahahahahahaha dream on.

Terminator was built, what did disney react with? IOA was built, and Disney did what? Spiderman came and so Disney trumped them how? Mummy is on it's way and what is Disney doing to prepare?

I'll tell you what...if attendance goes down because another park is stealing them away Disney will (and has) simply make cuts to keep the profit margin the same. If Disney would react to other companies and what they do in the theme park business THEN we wouldn't see what we do today, which is constant evidence that they aren't even equal but falling behind. They haven't woken up before, I see no reason they will now. And when Disney cuts maintentance a little more, or cuts park hours a little more, all of these will be the bad thing Cris was talking about.

As far as M:S, I like it. But everything you described that you liked about M:S was just what I said it had, it's beautiful, and the ride itself is great. The queue, the pre show, the post show, well none of them adds a thing to the experience. M:S is not a complete attraction for this reason. And if you want proof, look at the negativity, you may not agree with it, but the people have spoken. Disney set us up for disappointment.

 

[raidermatt]

It is not in the catagory of Mummy or Indy or Spidey, it's all by itself.

Do you mean literally, or figureatively?

Literally, ok, as the ride mech is different.

If you mean "in a class by itself", then that doesn't seem to be the consensus. Everyone is welcome to their opinion of course, but in looking at the big picture...

Sure they're supposed to be leading and not following, you'll get no argument from me, but I thought you wished to discuss the ramifications of a new blockbuster attraction by a competitor.

Yes, and one of the ramifications is that, if the attraction is all its cracked up to be, Disney is forced to catch-up or concede. And that's a sad ramification for those who want Disney putting others in that position instead of having it done to them.

 

[KNWVIKING]

Theme park attractions are a game of one-upsmanship now days. To believe that Disney could build a ride that no one can top is ludicris. It's no different then GMC releasing an engine this year with X horsepower and not expecting Ford to offer one with X+2 next year.

I don't know if Cali is getting the "new" Mummy attraction, but the original ride in USH sucks. So compare that ride to several new Disney attractions that have been built since.

Hmmmm..... I guess jeff's board is still down.

 

[raidermatt]

Hmmmm..... I guess jeff's board is still down.

You know it is if Scoop's here...
Hey, wait a minute... how would YOU know? Have you been lurking?


(Hopefully, that was enough smiles to keep folks from getting peeved...)

Considering the talk I hear around here about how relevant omnimovers with AA can still be...I assume that many would hope Disney chooses the concede option.

Based on my assumption that you are a sharp guy, I'm going to assume this was an intentional misrepresentation.

Theme park attractions are a game of one-upsmanship now days. To believe that Disney could build a ride that no one can top is ludicris.

According to many, Splash, Indy, and Spidy haven't been topped.

If Disney focused on what Disney used to do best, they would rarely be topped at it.

 

[cristen]

Viking,

On the site where the link is, it says that both parks are getting it, I missed that the first time.

"Theme park attractions are a game of one-upsmanship now days. To believe that Disney could build a ride that no one can top is ludicris. It's no different then GMC releasing an engine this year with X horsepower and not expecting Ford to offer one with X+2 next year"

I don't think anyone is arguing that Disney can build a ride that no one can out do. I am saying that Disney should be making everyone else look at them for what to do next. It sounded in the clip that they are doing new innovative things with AA. So now what one company invented, another is making better? That's not right.

"that discussion is tired don't you think?"

Yes.

I was more making a complaint than a question when I said why is Disney not doing this first. You read about the plans for certain rides, and they definately sound cutting edge and along the lines of something amazing like the Mummy. Then it never gets done. Very frustrating for a disney fan.

And I think it will have lasting effects on the Disney parks. People will start looking in other directions for the lastest in thrills and story-telling. That is why these rides are so popular, the story telling. Magic Maountain has great coasters, but I think Indy, ToT, and now the Mummy and hopefully E:E appeal to more. Disney had the corner in this market, they are letting it go.

 

[bretsyboo]

"Theme park attractions are a game of one-upsmanship now days. To believe that Disney could build a ride that no one can top is ludicris."

Yes well this is the exact opposite arguement isn't it? The arguement isn't that Disney should be doing things other companies can never master, the arguement is other companies are making products that Disney seems to be making no effort to master.

Disney should be consistantly trying to push the bar higher, instead other companies are doing it, and Disney isn't even meeting previous bars.

"First, Mr. Boo, please clarify what you mean by a "100 million dollar" attraction. It sounds as if you are saying that each Mummy cost 100 million dollars."

I haven't read what I wrote, but this isn't what I meant at all. I have no idea what the mummy costs, honestly I think I knew about it at one point, but oh well. I'm talking about the one available open field at IOA, wheras mummy is at the regular park. All indications is there will be a new spectacular dark ride, not slow moving though, they already know it will have a height requirement, and it has a 100 million budget. I'm not quite sure if this is internet fodder yet, I'll look for maybe 12 seconds.

 

[bretsyboo]

well waddya know, apparently it went on the net as 50 mil. and screamscape is reporting today it's no longer a possibility.

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Hmmmm..... I guess jeff's board is still down.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He better get it up soon!!!!!!!!

I can't call anyone names here!!!!

 

[WDSearcher]

The Mummy looks like the next greatest theme park ride, so hopefully it matches the hype. Spiderman did. And, while Mummy's press has it out-doing Disney dark rides, even the OP says that its theming is "Indiana Jones-like," as if to indicate that Indy is the ideal. So doesn't that mean that Universal is indeed chasing Disney on some elements of this experience?

As for Shrek, I didn't think it was worth the 90-min wait in a horribly themed queue. The film itself was well done, but there are really only three "tricks" -- moving seats (that don't always stay with the context of the action on the screen), water spraying in your face, and that old "blow air at their ankles and they'll think it's spiders" bit. Pretty much everything, including the idea of putting a 3-D movie in a theme park in the first place, came from Disney. So ... while I'll admit that Mummy sounds like there are some way cool AA effects that Disney hasn't yet matched, Shrek seems to fall into the "keeping up with Disney" category.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***" I am saying that Disney should be making everyone else look at them for what to do next."***

Isn't that exactly what happened ?

The competition will always look to see what Disney has done & will try to top it. But, when IOA opened with three top notch coasters, did Disney rush out and build three bigger,faster ones ?? Of course not. Instead they gave us M:S and EE.

Years ago there was a place called Brigentine Castle here in Jersey. It was a Way Kewl, scare the chit out a ya haunted house. For thrills, it makes Disney's HM look like my basement- BORINGGGG. But for innovation,cleverness,technology, creativety, story, etc.... HM win hands down.

IMO, USF/IOA - and other similar parks- are going for the thrill aspect more the story, Spidy being the most noticable exception. Shrek4D i nothing more then a modern version of Muppets. So basically IOA borrowed Disneys concept but improved it with todays technology.

I don't believe Disney is being outdone by the competition, I just think they have different goals in mind. ( Come on, that last line is just to easy for sarcastic comments from the element