Horrifying and Extremely Sad

[It'sWDW4me]

Prior to the age of 18 psychopathic behavior is classified as "behavioral conduct disorder". Like a PP poster said, they won't actually diagnose someone as a sociopath prior to them becoming a legal adult. This kid seems well on his way to that diagnosis though.

Does mental health treatment help sociopaths at all? I have never researched that topic at all so I have no idea. I would be interested if anyone knows.

They have to want to change for treatment to be effective. However, sociopaths don't think there's anything "wrong" with them, hence there's nothing to "fix" or to treat.

My heart goes out to those poor parents. I can't begin to imagine the hell they're going through. Not that I even want to imagine it...

 

[C.Ann]

Plus, the whole story re: this kid hasn't come out yet.

Who knows, maybe his parents have been from doctor to doctor for help and have been struggling for a long time.

My heart aches for them and the suffering that poor boy went through at the hands of someone he loved.

The bolded part? Very, very true..

 

[perdidobay]

Why in the world would they cancel it? The boy used that as a scape goat, IMO. Had he been influenced by the show, he'd have only killed a murderer or pedophile. That's who Dexter kills. That's why Dexter is loved by many fans. He NEVER kills the good guy.

It's ridiculous to even debate such an issue, IMO. People kill because there is something seriously wrong with them. Too bad no one noticed before the kid acted on it. I'm not pointing the fingers, maybe there were no clues to look for or maybe the family didn't grasp what the clues might mean.

They are getting ready to announce the Amanda Knox verdict (less than 20 minutes). Too bad someone didn't notice something wrong with those that killed Meredith Kercher too. We see this happening everyday, unfortunately, and blaming some outside force is ridiculous, IMO. Some people are just evil.

I agree with you on all points. I think the show Dexter is actually very well done for it's type of content.

 

[dalt01]

I bet Dexter gets cancelled... I never really wanted to watch it but less so now.

agnes!

I hope not. The show is excellent.

I hope it doesn't get canceled. I don't really watch the show but it would set a bad precedent.

perhaps it would not set a bad precedent but start a good trend.

 

[LoraJ]

perhaps it would not set a bad precedent but start a good trend.

How? Where we will only have shows about puppy dogs and butterflies because some little snowflake somewhere cannot handle anything more than that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN6ebUcTn18

This monster would have killed no matter what. You cannot blame a TV show.

 

[FireDancer]

perhaps it would not set a bad precedent but start a good trend.

It would be a terrible trend if people could blame a show for their actions. If I go out and start hacking up prostitutes it isn't because I saw it on Criminal Minds. If I strangle someone and throw them in a swamp it isn't because an episode of SCI:Miami made me do it. If I decide to become a pedophile or child molester it isn't because it just looked like so much fun on Law & Order SVU.

Television shows, movies, plays, operas, and video games aren't real, they are fantasy. When one can't distinguish between reality and fantasy it is time for a heart to heart with a trained professional, not a form letter to the FCC.

 

[wdwfan16]

That is just sad.

 

[dalt01]

How? Where we will only have shows about puppy dogs and butterflies because some little snowflake somewhere cannot handle anything more than that?

It would be a terrible trend if people could blame a show for their actions. If I go out and start hacking up prostitutes it isn't because I saw it on Criminal Minds. If I strangle someone and throw them in a swamp it isn't because an episode of SCI:Miami made me do it. If I decide to become a pedophile or child molester it isn't because it just looked like so much fun on Law & Order SVU.

Television shows, movies, plays, operas, and video games aren't real, they are fantasy. When one can't distinguish between reality and fantasy it is time for a heart to heart with a trained professional, not a form letter to the FCC.

impressionable young minds DONT have a clear vision of reality. they smoke because they grow up around it. same with drinking. child abusers were more often than not abused as children. no......we cant change the world but if keeping just some away from the mindless violence saves someone from a life full of it..........i consider that a win.

 

[Sparx]

Prior to the age of 18 psychopathic behavior is classified as "behavioral conduct disorder". Like a PP poster said, they won't actually diagnose someone as a sociopath prior to them becoming a legal adult. This kid seems well on his way to that diagnosis though.

Does mental health treatment help sociopaths at all? I have never researched that topic at all so I have no idea. I would be interested if anyone knows.

and BCD has to have been evident for several years throughout childhood and the teenager years.

another reason they don't diagnose is because a child can say or do mean awful nasty things and appear to not feel remorse, but several years later they regret doing those things. it needs to be deemed that the person does not feel remorse for hurting others.

antisocials are very hard to treat, becuase they feel there is nothing wrong with them, and the others around them are just stupider, weaker, and deserving to be hurt or taken advantage of. they're also incredibly manipulative, and have a knack of talking their way out of trouble, and convincing others that they are "sorry," when they honestly feel no remorse, and are continuing to take advantage of others.

i don't know the child's previous history, but if he has truly felt like killing since he was 13, he is well on his way to an antisocial diagnosis.

 

[LoraJ]

impressionable young minds DONT have a clear vision of reality. they smoke because they grow up around it. same with drinking. child abusers were more often than not abused as children. no......we cant change the world but if keeping just some away from the mindless violence saves someone from a life full of it..........i consider that a win.

It's the parents responsibility to monitor their child's television viewing. Once again, if it was not a TV show, it would be a book, or a magazine article that this kid would have used as an excuse.

Have you even ever seen Dexter?

 

[dalt01]

It's the parents responsibility to monitor their child's television viewing. Once again, if it was not a TV show, it would be a book, or a magazine article that this kid would have used as an excuse.

Have you even ever seen Dexter?

i get showtime for a while each year so i can watch big brother after dark. they show scenes of course. and watching a man hug his baby while hiding the dead body of a man he murdered in the trunk of his car is not my idea of anything a rational human being would want to watch. and yet you are championing it. i hardly think that gives you the moral high ground.

 

[Sparx]

i get showtime for a while each year so i can watch big brother after dark. they show scenes of course. and watching a man hug his baby while hiding the dead body of a man he murdered in the trunk of his car is not my idea of anything a rational human being would want to watch. and yet you are championing it. i hardly think that gives you the moral high ground.

did you also blame marilyn manson for columbine?

 

[Planogirl]

i get showtime for a while each year so i can watch big brother after dark. they show scenes of course. and watching a man hug his baby while hiding the dead body of a man he murdered in the trunk of his car is not my idea of anything a rational human being would want to watch. and yet you are championing it. i hardly think that gives you the moral high ground.

I doubt that anyone is championing these acts. I see people being against the worst kind of censorship though.

 

[dalt01]

I doubt that anyone is championing these acts. I see people being against the worst kind of censorship though.

first, i said nothing about championing the "acts" just about defending the show. second, i said nothing about "censorship" just that if people did not watch crap like that it would go away. dont twist my words. read the post again................done? where did i say anyone was championing murder? where did i say we should censor anything?

 

[dalt01]

did you also blame marilyn mason for columbine?

who in the world is marilyn mason?????????????

 

[LoraJ]

i get showtime for a while each year so i can watch big brother after dark. they show scenes of course. and watching a man hug his baby while hiding the dead body of a man he murdered in the trunk of his car is not my idea of anything a rational human being would want to watch. and yet you are championing it. i hardly think that gives you the moral high ground.

So I am not a rational human being? Wow, real nice. Dexter is a vigilante killer. He kills people who kill. He had urges to kill as a child and his father realized who he was and trained him to only kill bad people and taught him to follow this code. Teh writing of this show is fantastic as well as the storyline every season. It keeps me on the edge of my seat. It is called entertainment. And you want to take this away from myself and millions of others because some kid said he related to Dexter. Once again, the kid would have killed with or without Dexter. This kid is actually nothing like the character Dexter. That man(who doesn't exist) in Dexter's trunk that you are feeling sorry for, killed innocent people. I'm not championing murder, but good television.

Stuff I get worked up about, idiots who text while driving. Their selfish acts put my life and my husband's life in danger on a daily basis. Getting worked up about a fictional television show? Not so much.

You still watch Big Brother after that one guy held a knife up to that girl's neck? Did you simulate that act with a loved one? That was a real person doing that to another person, yet you still support that show. How hypocritical.

 

[Planogirl]

first, i said nothing about championing the "acts" just about defending the show. second, i said nothing about "censorship" just that if people did not watch crap like that it would go away. dont twist my words. read the post again................done? where did i say anyone was championing murder? where did i say we should censor anything?

Logic says that people will watch the shows just as they do now. That seems pretty simple to understand. So the only way to stop people from watching the shows is to do away with the shows.

Also you mentioned championing the show. The evil acts on the show seem to be the problem so it's easy to assume that if someone is championing the show then they are championing the contents. Also seems relatively simple...

 

[dalt01]

So I am not a rational human being? Wow, real nice. Dexter is a vigilante killer. He kills people who kill. He had urges to kill as a child and his father realized who he was and trained him to only kill bad people and taught him to follow this code. Teh writing of this show is fantastic as well as the storyline every season. It keeps me on the edge of my seat. It is called entertainment. And you want to take this away from myself and millions of others because some kid said he related to Dexter. Once again, the kid would have killed with or without Dexter. This kid is actually nothing like the character Dexter. That man(who doesn't exist) in Dexter's trunk that you are feeling sorry for, killed innocent people. I'm not championing murder, but good television.

Stuff I get worked up about, idiots who text while driving. Their selfish acts put my life and my husband's life in danger on a daily basis. Getting worked up about a fictional television show? Not so much.

You still watch Big Brother after that one guy held a knife up to that girl's neck? Did you simulate that act with a loved one? That was a real person doing that to another person, yet you still support that show. How hypocritical.

let me get this straight, killing is ok as long as the people you are killing are killers. and Dexter who had urges to kill as a child (sounds a lot like the boy this whole thing was started over doesnt it) was trained up to do it as an adult and that is also ok. and your big brother comparison was ridiculous.............disclaimer.............i dont take these exchanges very seriously i am not mad and i dont have it out for you. it is just spirited debate..........

 

[LoraJ]

let me get this straight, killing is ok as long as the people you are killing are killers. and Dexter who had urges to kill as a child (sounds a lot like the boy this whole thing was started over doesnt it) was trained up to do it as an adult and that is also ok. and your big brother comparison was ridiculous.............disclaimer.............i dont take these exchanges very seriously i am not mad and i dont have it out for you. it is just spirited debate..........

I do not think it is ridiculous at all. You are upset about a fictional character that kills bad people and think shows like this should not air so some kid who is not mentally all there would be inspired to kill someone. Yet you watch a show that is all about sex and in that one instance violence between real people and have no issue with it. Perhaps several men pulled knives on their girlfriends after watching that show. Is it the shows fault, or the guys fault? And is it your fault for supporting the show, where an incident like that could happen again?

And I never said killing is okay. I am talking about a fictional character who is on a show where the writing is fantastic that you do actually start to sympathize with him and hope he does not get caught. Because then the show would be over.

 

[dalt01]

The evil acts on the show seem to be the problem so it's easy to assume that if someone is championing the show then they are championing the contents.

thats actually a very scary thought.