Hoping lunch thief will learn a lesson - Update Post #26

I think the point you seem to miss is that no one was harmed. The quantity of spice that was added was in no way enough to cause harm, only a small amount of discomfort.

Intentionally "causing discomfort" to students with the intention of changing their behavior is illegal in many places. Even in those places where it isn't there are usually very specific laws about procedures and witnesses.

A light spanking may not "cause harm", but it's still illegal. Soaping out a child's mouth, or making them stand in the corner with their arms outstretched may not "cause harm", but it's still illegal.
 
From my POV, there are a couple of things. I happen to be DEATHLY allergic to many kinds of red chilis (as in, if I eat one, my airways instantly close up and I need immediate medical attention or I will die).:

Knowing you have allergies that cause death, I'm sure it would be an especially bad idea for you to be stealing food from strangers, right?
 
Intentionally "causing discomfort" to students with the intention of changing their behavior is illegal in many places. Even in those places where it isn't there are usually very specific laws about procedures and witnesses.

A light spanking may not "cause harm", but it's still illegal. Soaping out a child's mouth, or making them stand in the corner with their arms outstretched may not "cause harm", but it's still illegal.

:confused3 Maybe where you live but not in Texas. It's legal here.
 
From my POV, there are a couple of things. I happen to be DEATHLY allergic to many kinds of red chilis (as in, if I eat one, my airways instantly close up and I need immediate medical attention or I will die). Now, while you can say I "got what I deserved" if something I stole made me sick, I don't know that death is an appropriate punishment for stealing a snack cake. But that's an extreme example. I'm sure the allergy is not common enough to warrant much concern. Still ... it hit me from that standpoint.

The biggest thing to me, though, is that you didn't try anything else first. Why not lock the lunchbox? Stick the snack cake to the bottom of the lunch box with duct tape so that it isn't as easy to grab? Put vaseline or something on the snack cake packaging so that it's slimy to grab. Something less potentially harmful.

Plus ... I get that you didn't know there was video footage available, but you didn't even ask. You went straight to the old, "If you're going to steal my snack cake, I'm going to make you hurt!" way of thinking. So you've just taught your daughter that it's okay to bait people. That you can punish someone for something without knowing why they did it. That you don't have to go the official route -- it's okay to take things into your own hands. And you've shown her that it's okay for an adult to do something like that to a kid and (more importantly) a teacher to a student.

I understand that your DH is a dad first and a teacher second. But in this case, I don't know that he set a good example either way.

:earsboy:


I'm sure that anyone over the age of 5 with a life threatening allergy would NEVER touch food unless they checked the ingredients first.

I think your concern is irrelevent.
 

Knowing you have allergies that cause death, I'm sure it would be an especially bad idea for you to be stealing food from strangers, right?

Crap, you beat me to it. :lmao:
 
We did consider this, and DD will be leaving her lunch in DH's classroom until lunch.

I agreed with you up until this part. There was a very simple solution to this problem all along and that was to store the lunch in a different spot. I would have gone with that option.

I am not opposed to spiking the snack cake at all but kids in middle school face a lot of issues. If the thief is a bully, s/he will retaliate. I wouldn't put my kid in that possible predicament when there was a very easy solution.
 
Then I'm sure at the next meet the parents night he will tell all the parents that he thinks it is fine to punish students by causing them pain or making them sick, and without even making sure the appropriate student gets the punishment.

See how that goes over and get back to us.

I find it disgusting action by a professional educator.
 
While you're at, you might as well roll down the window so the thief don't cut himself, or break his arm, while trying to smash in your window. Don't forget to leave the keys in the ignition as well. He might hurt himself trying to hotwire your car to. :lmao:

And don't forget the thank you note and some snacks. See, this is why we have become a nation of little mamby pamby's.
 
And don't forget the thank you note and some snacks. See, this is why we have become a nation of little mamby pamby's.

:thumbsup2:thumbsup2 OP, your DH did nothing wrong.

Off-topic, gosh, I just love the phrase "mamby pamby". :lmao:
 
To those who said they can't believe the OP's daughter would get in trouble,
there was a case just like this at my elementary school (k-8).

Child A kept having her sandwhich stolen by unknown child B.

Child A goes to teacher who brushes it off.

Child A put disgusting (but not poisonous) food items into sandwhich.

Child B ate sandwhich, spit out the tainted sandwhich and has trouble breathing. (Turns out he's allergic to one ingredient)

Teacher gets involved.

Child B is given a weeks detention for stealing lunches.

Child A is suspended for intentionally causing "harm" to another student. She set it up so that the theif would have nasty consequence (bad taste in the mouth) for stealing her food. Therefore, she intentionally meant to cause harm. :headache:

Fair? No, but that's how several schools around here still work.:sad2:

I'm glad that things worked out for the OPs daughter. Maybe the thief will keep her hands to herself now.:thumbsup2

Parents could have and should have fought this. If a child has a food allergy that should know enough not to eat anything that they have not brought themselves and/or read a label. Now if she knew who was doing it and knew they had a food allergy it would be another story.

The OP daughter has every right to put a spice on her snack cake. It is hers it is not a medicine.

Denise in MI
 
I wouldn't either, but that doesn't mean that the thief's parents wouldn't. There's also no guarantee that the thief either unknowingly, or knowingly, wouldn't share the food with another child.

If my child innocently ate something that caused him pain and came from a teacher? Yes, I might complain.

It's simply not worth the risk.

The teacher did not give the theif anything. The theif stole someones lunch.

Denise in MI
 
Which is the key factor and changes his involvement completely from just a parent to a professional at the school charged with the safety of ALL the children and should be held to a higher level of professionalism.

It was not a professional act and I can't imagine any administration anywhere encouraging their staff to find a thief by "doctoring" food can you ?

So if some snacks from his room go missing he can doctor food and leave it in his room to catch the child taking it? I would love to see the fall out from that.

I agree.

Although I'm sure the act of doctoring the cake and imagining the fallout was very satisfying, I believe it was ultimately unprofessional of the father/teacher to participate. He should know better. I don't think he needs to be fired or reprimanded, but I can't believe that so many can't see that it was unprofessional for him to take part in this.
 
I agree.

Although I'm sure the act of doctoring the cake and imagining the fallout was very satisfying, I believe it was ultimately unprofessional of the father/teacher to participate. He should know better. I don't think he needs to be fired or reprimanded, but I can't believe that so many can't see that it was unprofessional for him to take part in this.

I would see your point if the DH was the teacher for the classroom, but what he put in his daughters lunch at home is irrelevant to his teaching position.

Denise in MI
 
To the OP: thanks for starting this entertaining thread. I personally don't think you did anything wrong. Pepper is not a harmful substance. Nothing wrong with making an appetizing food unappetizing so the thief would quit stealing it. I thought it was a clever idea.
 
I'm sure that anyone over the age of 5 with a life threatening allergy would NEVER touch food unless they checked the ingredients first.

I think your concern is irrelevent.
I didn't say it was relevant. I think I even said it was an "extreme example." It was just one of the things that came to mind. Although, I didn't know I had the allergy until the first time I ate something with red chilis in it.

:earsboy:
 
Could we at least keep the incident accurate?
The 'doctored' item was a snack cake, not a sandwich.
The same item was stolen repeatedly from the OP's daughter's lunch.
The parents and student were both frustrated by this.
One or more members of the family decided to add unappetizing but otherwise harmless ingredients to a snack cake and include it with the daughter's lunch one day in an attempt to stop the thefts.
The father inserted the ingredients.
The father happens to be a teacher at the same school.

It was Dad's plan according to the OP....since you were looking for accuracy.
 
To the OP: thanks for starting this entertaining thread. I personally don't think you did anything wrong. Pepper is not a harmful substance. Nothing wrong with making an appetizing food unappetizing so the thief would quit stealing it. I thought it was a clever idea.

the little brat got what she deserved!:thumbsup2
 


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