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Whew....got our testing done today:thumbsup2

Because we (our homeschool group) had at least 6 to test, the administrator came to us. We did the WJ III and it was WONDERFUL. Only took an hour each for the 4 and 5 year olds and 1.5 hours for my 8 year old. We received the scores and personal feedback immediately. I whole-heartedly recommend it to anyone considering it as a testing option.

The kids did great and it was a huge load off of my shoulders. DH thinks I'm crazy, but it's good to know I'm not failing them.

Love the WJ-III! We've used it the past 4 years but cannot find anyone to administer it here this year. The man we used the past 2 years no longer administers it and no one else does privately that I can find in Georgia or Alabama. I'm just not able to drive 4 kids to NC to test! I have 2 that I have to test this year (we only HAVE to test every three years starting in the 3rd grade in Georgia). Not sure what we're going to end up doing. I may try PASS. Any suggestions?
 
I AM SO AFRAID of failing my kids. They test next week. I am the only one in the family who wants my kids at home. EVERYONE, including my husband thinks they need to be in school. WHY? so they get disciplined. I love schooling my kids. I am looking forward to attending the conference in May in FLorida.
I do need a little help with curriculum. That is one reason why I am going to the conference.
I am glad your test went well.I hope ours does too!

Bless your heart!! I feel bad for you that you are feeling like you are gonna fail your kids!!!! Don't feel that way! I am curious about the discipline statement---are you referring to the disciplined structure of a public school day? Or are you talking about behavioral discipline? I am curious because we might give you some suggestions that will help you to change his mind!! I have said it before and it's something I truly believe...if you're teaching your kids basic math skills,manners!!!(something I know tons of kids are NOT learning anymore!) , and how to read...you are not failing your kids. If you even spend just a small amount of time every day reading to them from good books, or they are old enough to read it themselves...they are getting a good education. I have read sooooo much about all the things they learn from good literature...correct grammar, spelling, enlarged vocabulary,geography, plus their little imaginations are stretched!!! And all this is pretty much subconscious...I think we sometimes take Homeschooling and make it more of a burden than it should be.
Yes, we all want our kids to be finished with HS and be geniuses!!! But, I think we teach our kids sooo much more than they ever get at PS...even if we have gaps in History, or they hate Geometry or have sloppy handwriting!!Plus, by this time of the school year, I think we are all tired of whatever Curriculum we have chosen and are thankful for that Spring break!!! So, don't be discouraged...I am sure your kids will do fine on the tests! And if they have areas that they appear to be weak in...just focus on it a wee bit more next year!! Dont stress!!!!And keep us posted!!!!
 
Bless your heart!! I feel bad for you that you are feeling like you are gonna fail your kids!!!! Don't feel that way! I am curious about the discipline statement---are you referring to the disciplined structure of a public school day? Or are you talking about behavioral discipline? I am curious because we might give you some suggestions that will help you to change his mind!! I have said it before and it's something I truly believe...if you're teaching your kids basic math skills,manners!!!(something I know tons of kids are NOT learning anymore!) , and how to read...you are not failing your kids. If you even spend just a small amount of time every day reading to them from good books, or they are old enough to read it themselves...they are getting a good education. I have read sooooo much about all the things they learn from good literature...correct grammar, spelling, enlarged vocabulary,geography, plus their little imaginations are stretched!!! And all this is pretty much subconscious...I think we sometimes take Homeschooling and make it more of a burden than it should be.
Yes, we all want our kids to be finished with HS and be geniuses!!! But, I think we teach our kids sooo much more than they ever get at PS...even if we have gaps in History, or they hate Geometry or have sloppy handwriting!!Plus, by this time of the school year, I think we are all tired of whatever Curriculum we have chosen and are thankful for that Spring break!!! So, don't be discouraged...I am sure your kids will do fine on the tests! And if they have areas that they appear to be weak in...just focus on it a wee bit more next year!! Dont stress!!!!And keep us posted!!!!

What a wonderful post! I think we all need the clarity you just provided this time of year. We only have 6 weeks left and we are all ready :)
 
What a wonderful post! I think we all need the clarity you just provided this time of year. We only have 6 weeks left and we are all ready :)

AWW!! Thank you!! And thanks for admitting it so I am not the only one!! LOL!! By this time of year... I just think..finish the math..finish the math!!! And read more books..doing less of everything else!! What a push to the finish!!!
 

AWW!! Thank you!! And thanks for admitting it so I am not the only one!! LOL!! By this time of year... I just think..finish the math..finish the math!!! And read more books..doing less of everything else!! What a push to the finish!!!

I am completely with you!!

Yesterday,
DS (3rd grade) tested 7th grade, 3rd month in reading & 9th grade, 5th month in math,
DD (K) tested K, 8th month to 2nd grade, 9th month in everything and
DS (PreK) tested 97th to 99th percentile in everything.

Guess what we did today....math & Charlotte's Web (read aloud). I am sooooo not gonna stress about if every sentence gets diagrammed and every science experiment gets finished by May 4 (the end of the 36 weeks I set for us). They are at or above where they need to be....there is no sense in stressing everybody out (myself included). Next year is a new school year:cool1:
 
that is wonderful!! Which math curriculum do you use for your kids? When my boys were that age we did Abeka, then Bob Jones and Saxon..now they are older we do Teaching Textbooks...my dd is in Rod and Staff math and I just loooove it!!! We don't have required testing here in Tx, but I am curious what their math & reading levels are. They have always been great readers and I am a read-aloud mamma!!! :rotfl:
 
Please tell me about Sonlight!

I have always liked what I read, but we have been doing Calvert for 4 years instead.

I am growing more disenchanted with Calvert even though DD loves it. I just don't think she is being challenged in some areas. We already use Horizons for math.

I have a catalog, but am not 100% sure what core to use. It is a bit confusing for a first timer.

DD will be in 3rd grade next year. I already have 4th grade math on order.
 
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Please tell me about Sonlight!

I have always liked what I read, but we have been doing Calvert for 4 years instead.

I am growing more disenchanted with Calvert even though DD loves it. I just don't think she is being challenged in some areas. We already use Horizons for math.

I have a catalog, but am not 100% sure what core to use. It is a bit confusing for a first timer.

DD will be in 3rd grade next year. I already have 4th grade math on order.

We have been using Sonlight for five years, although I do stretch the cores out to longer than a year. We have done Cores K, 1+2, and are now about 1/2 way through Core 3. I do love the books, they have some phenomenal read alouds and readers. I do not use their Language Arts anymore. Or I should say, I don't use ALL of it. We use Voyages in English for LA but I do still have my children read the Sonlight readers and we use the Explode the Code and Wordly Wise books. As far as what core, I would go by what you are interested in studying next year. Cores 1, 2, & 1+2 are World History. Those cores use "A Child's History of the World" by Hillyer which I believe may be a Calvert book so you may have already used it. If you are interested in studying American history, Core 3 (pre-Columbus to right before the Civil War) would be a fine fit for 4th grade. I am using it with a 3rd grader and a 6th grader and it is definitely not too easy for my older child. Core 4 covers from the Civil War on. Core 3+4 condenses 3 and 4 into one year. From all I have heard on the various Sonlight forums I am on, Core 5 is a very in depth and difficult core. I don't know that I would recommend it for a 4th grader unless they are very mature (many of Sonlight's books can be tough for emotionally sensitive children, they do not gloss over difficult episodes in history). I do not use Sonlight's Bible curriculum since we are Catholic. I would be happy to answer whatever specific questions you might have. I've been very happy with Sonlight and I plan to use it in some fashion through high school.
 
Thank you so much for your info. I was looking at core 3. Child's History of the World is used in 4th grade in Calvert. Do they use it again at some point in SL? I don't want DD to miss out on anything by switching curriculum. She won't have done any world history. DD is reading at least at a 4th grade level and loves science. She is also good at math since we are almost done with Horizons 3 and she is only 7-1/2. I was going to try SONIA on their website but it was down. Is their bible curriculm very different from Catholic bible curriculum or is it more general. We are also Catholic and DD goes to PSR (CCD or whatever other places call it).

I am excited by all the interesting books and so is DD.
 
Thank you so much for your info. I was looking at core 3. Child's History of the World is used in 4th grade in Calvert. Do they use it again at some point in SL? I don't want DD to miss out on anything by switching curriculum. She won't have done any world history. DD is reading at least at a 4th grade level and loves science. She is also good at math since we are almost done with Horizons 3 and she is only 7-1/2. I was going to try SONIA on their website but it was down. Is their bible curriculm very different from Catholic bible curriculum or is it more general. We are also Catholic and DD goes to PSR (CCD or whatever other places call it).

I am excited by all the interesting books and so is DD.

You're welcome! They do use CHOW again in Core 7 I believe. We did 1+2 last year and I think it would be fine for a 4th grader, but 3 is great too. We have been enjoying it. I've learned quite a bit about American history that I didn't know and I was a straight A student in advanced US History in high school! I combine some Seton history books in there as well. The Bible curriculum is very evangelical Protestant. We used it for two years (before I converted to Catholicism, my husband was a lapsed Catholic) and I liked it but it is definitely NOT Catholic. There is a great "Roman Catholics using Sonlight" yahoo group that has all kinds of great information and a pretty lively e-mail loop. I've learned alot from them. You may want to check them out if you get a chance. They list suggested substitutions and any possible anti-Catholic biases that you may want to be aware of in case you want to substitute or simply use as a discussion point. Sonlight is by no means anti-Catholic, but they are most assuredly pro-Protestant. The new catalog should be arriving in my mailbox any day now and I can't wait to peruse it!

We have never done their science, although I've heard pretty good things about it. We are trying Noeo chemistry this year. It's OK, but I'm not thrilled. Still trying to find that perfect fit for my kids. We did two years of Apologia and my 6th grader is asking to go back to that, but I'm undecided. I have a few friends who have been very happy with Real Science 4 Kids, I may look into that as well. Spring is here so, it's the season for curriculum decisions!
 
I have been very interested in Sonlight..but my kids are so spread out age-wise, I think I would be broke!! LOL...we do use TruthQuest and I just love it!!! It is a very literature based curriculum also...as for Science I do love Apologia...but I was curious about the Sonlight also...just to switch things up for my younger kids....My older son is in the 8th grade..High School next year!!!! And he is finishing up Apologia's Physical Science...WOW...I think it must be close to college level!! Such a lot of info..but it is written where they can understand it...it's just amazing how much I have forgotten!!!
 
Thank you so much for the info! I liked the core 3 science from what I read. Calvert 1st and 2nd grade science has been boring for DD.
I may just order a couple of the history books from core 1 &2 anyway. DD will read anything she can get her hands on.

Thanks for the Bible info. I am not Catholic, but DH and DD are. I should probably convert some day. I wouldn't be able to tell what is what. Although DH went to Catholic school from grade school through college, he would know. I will have to check out the Yahoo group.

DH and I studied the old catalog that I have and we think core 3 with advanced readers would be the best fit. She has been reading chapter books for some time now. The cost is pretty similar between SL and Calvert.
When I showed her the catalog and books, DD got very excited.
 
Please tell me about Sonlight!

I have always liked what I read, but we have been doing Calvert for 4 years instead.

I am growing more disenchanted with Calvert even though DD loves it. I just don't think she is being challenged in some areas. We already use Horizons for math.

I have a catalog, but am not 100% sure what core to use. It is a bit confusing for a first timer.

DD will be in 3rd grade next year. I already have 4th grade math on order.

I have to say, I absolutely adore grades 3 and 4 in Calvert...it does such a great job teaching how to write, plus their grammar program is excellent. I actually feel that Sonlight is lacking a bit in some areas of language arts and I switch back to Calvert for these grades as a result. JMHO


Definitely like the SL science though!
 
I have to say, I absolutely adore grades 3 and 4 in Calvert...it does such a great job teaching how to write, plus their grammar program is excellent. I actually feel that Sonlight is lacking a bit in some areas of language arts and I switch back to Calvert for these grades as a result. JMHO


Definitely like the SL science though!

Glad someone says they like Calvert 3 & 4. We thought about leaving Calvert for grade 3. I have to adjust the plans so much for DS.

There isn't enough built in review & test. A test every 20 lessons just isn't enough. We do a lot of language work on our own. This makes DS's school day so long. We also pitched the poetry & art. There just isn't enough time w/ the additional review DS needs.

If 3 & 4 help complete the language process, then we will stick with it. I like the math, but it isn't a major weak area for DS.

I do not like the history. I find that the 2nd half of the year's program is racially slanted, but I don't want to stray from the package.

Calvert science is ok. DS said he is like that guy with the crazy hair (Einstein). He likes to do his experiments in his head. I can't get him do physically do the experiments, but he does like to read them & discuss them. It has pretty good activities. I find that they tend to dumb down concepts that can easily be understood by a 2nd grader. That is an easy fix.
 
Glad someone says they like Calvert 3 & 4. We thought about leaving Calvert for grade 3. I have to adjust the plans so much for DS.

There isn't enough built in review & test. A test every 20 lessons just isn't enough. We do a lot of language work on our own. This makes DS's school day so long. We also pitched the poetry & art. There just isn't enough time w/ the additional review DS needs.

If 3 & 4 help complete the language process, then we will stick with it. I like the math, but it isn't a major weak area for DS.

I do not like the history. I find that the 2nd half of the year's program is racially slanted, but I don't want to stray from the package.

Calvert science is ok. DS said he is like that guy with the crazy hair (Einstein). He likes to do his experiments in his head. I can't get him do physically do the experiments, but he does like to read them & discuss them. It has pretty good activities. I find that they tend to dumb down concepts that can easily be understood by a 2nd grader. That is an easy fix.

I never went crazy with the science...just had them read through it. Honestly, I think my older children learned more science from Magic Schoolbus in the early years than anywhere else...and guess what? One is majoring in science now and the other is headed that way when he enters college. In the meantime, I have patched in the Sonlight Science with child #3 and he begs to do science every day.

Math: other than one year of Calvert Math (back in the day before they wrote their own program) I've always used Saxon Math. I also like the DIVE cd's that go along with it. We do have the Teaching Textbooks HS geometry program too.

History: the unit/workbook that goes with History of the World is great. My chldren enjoy the optional history cd's with Calvert too. The books with Sonlight are quite enjoyable...I usually do some crossover from year to year depending on what's being studied.

Calvert writing: I love, love, LOVE it, and haven't seen anything that comes remotely close (although the WIN series---Writing In Narrative---has some similar elements). It really teaches them how to compose and write. Can't say enough good things about it.

Art cards: oh, don't skip them completely! Have some fun with them; no need to test. But part of the joy of a classical curriculum is exposure to art and music. The Hillyer series goes on too in the later grades, with Child's History of Art and a couple of others I can't remember right now. Make it fun, keep it light, but don't throw them out altogether. (funny story: my mother was a young girl using Calvert overseas; she came back to the states to have her tonsils out at age 7; as they wheeled her down the hallway of this hospital in Nebraska she was pointing out the pictures on the wall and naming them....all the works of art she had studied in Calvert!).

Grammar: Calvert wrote its own 2 year program, for grades 4 and 5 I believe?? Anyway, I love it too; as good as the writing program. At times they've offered it for sale as a separate unit.....something to keep in mind if you switch curriculums later.

Testing: JMHO, but I never went too crazy over the tests. Yes, we reviewed a bit and took the test, then reviewed it again afterwards. But it wasn't all that big a deal to me. If a child is reading well, understanding math, and absorbs some of the rest of it, life is good and he/she is on the way to becoming a good scholar. Second grades tests aren't going to make or break a college career. Were you using the advisory service? I always just used the "at-home" tests...way less pressure that way.

And as I posted earlier, Sonlight is lots of fun and we'll take a break now and then from Calvert to enjoy SL too. In general though, Calvert provides an excellent education.

YMMV, but good luck!!!
 
Love all the opinions on both Calvert and SL. Maybe we just need a break from Calvert. We just got DD's scores back from her CAT test and she got 97th percentile overall. So, she is doing very well.

The science in Calvert has been hokey, not even worth doing the experiments for DD. I don't feel she learned anything she didn't already know after 1st grade science. Now, she loves science and reads books on outer space and the planets. She has watched many Bill Nye videos, and some other science video and book series I can't remember (Look and Wonder?). She also has a video from WDW Imagineering on Levers and Pulleys. We got her another one of those. DD also has books on dinosaurs.

I don't even bother cutting out the high frequency words anymore. She has know them all since 1st grade when we started. I just go through them and she tells me the word. She needs something more advanced here as well.

I like that with SL, you can pick and choose more. I wish you could customize Calvert more.

We have never used Calvert math. It was too easy from the start. We use Horizons and my 7 yo is almost done with 3rd grade math.

I don't use the ATS that Calvert offers. I do use the tests every 20 lessons and she aces those everytime.

The art is hokey for DD. She loves to draw and is always drawing something and they wanted her to make a rainbow in the last lesson.

I don't care for the very liberal Social studies. I am constantly having to add to what they say.

She doesn't much care for the picture cards, we don't really do anything with them.

The spelling words could be more challenging, come on, "I" as a spelling word?

Maybe after 4 years we just need a change.
 
Love all the opinions on both Calvert and SL. Maybe we just need a break from Calvert. We just got DD's scores back from her CAT test and she got 97th percentile overall. So, she is doing very well.

The science in Calvert has been hokey, not even worth doing the experiments for DD. I don't feel she learned anything she didn't already know after 1st grade science. Now, she loves science and reads books on outer space and the planets. She has watched many Bill Nye videos, and some other science video and book series I can't remember (Look and Wonder?). She also has a video from WDW Imagineering on Levers and Pulleys. We got her another one of those. DD also has books on dinosaurs.

I don't even bother cutting out the high frequency words anymore. She has know them all since 1st grade when we started. I just go through them and she tells me the word. She needs something more advanced here as well.

I like that with SL, you can pick and choose more. I wish you could customize Calvert more.

We have never used Calvert math. It was too easy from the start. We use Horizons and my 7 yo is almost done with 3rd grade math.

I don't use the ATS that Calvert offers. I do use the tests every 20 lessons and she aces those everytime.

The art is hokey for DD. She loves to draw and is always drawing something and they wanted her to make a rainbow in the last lesson.

I don't care for the very liberal Social studies. I am constantly having to add to what they say.

She doesn't much care for the picture cards, we don't really do anything with them.

The spelling words could be more challenging, come on, "I" as a spelling word?

Maybe after 4 years we just need a change.

Calvert grade 2 was a review of his private school grade 1. I think he needed it. He now understands. He was too young for a lot of the concepts they were trying to teach him in the 1st gd.

I like Calvert's ELA lesson plans. I have to add & review a lot still w/ DS, but I'm too scared to stray from them. I think we will stick w/ Calvert just to be SAFE.

We have to meet of exceed the state & Calvert is well planned out. It still allows me to have a life other than 24-7 teacher.
 
Calvert grade 2 was a review of his private school grade 1. I think he needed it. He now understands. He was too young for a lot of the concepts they were trying to teach him in the 1st gd.

I like Calvert's ELA lesson plans. I have to add & review a lot still w/ DS, but I'm too scared to stray from them. I think we will stick w/ Calvert just to be SAFE.

We have to meet of exceed the state & Calvert is well planned out. It still allows me to have a life other than 24-7 teacher.

Calvert is very well planned out. I wouldn't have used it for 4 years if it wasn't.

It sounds like it will continue to be a good fit for your DS. Who knows, after a year of something else, maybe we will be back.
 
Anyone use Winter Promise or any books from it?

How about Catholic Heritage? I am not interested in the whole curriculum from them, but maybe some books?
 
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