Homeschool Chat Part III

The more I think about just letting ds work at his own pace, and with what he's interested in, the more I like the idea. The funny thing is, the UPS man just delivered our new Math u see program in the mail. I am anxious to see if ds likes it, though.
Yesterday we were at Barnes & Noble (2 hours from here), and ds picked up a teacher planning notebook and said, "Here mom, you need this....it has a place to record my grades." I explained to him that I really didn't see the need for "grades", but for some reason, he wants me to grade him. I think maybe because he's spent 6 + years in public school, combined with the fact that he could show dad how he's doing. Hmmm.....

My oldest 2 were in PS for 3 years and had the same thing. We had to have a "school room" with bookshelves and reading areas and gradebooks and planners. I did add a candle to the work table ;). It took several months for them to decompress and realize that "learning" and "school" were two very different things. PS kids have an instilled image of "what school looks like", so they often seem frightened that if their school doesn't "look" like that, how will they ever learn anything?

That said, my younger 2 have never been in a PS and they still like for me to grade their math and put the smiley face on the paper. They've watched enough television and have seen me get grades in grad school (and I'm afraid I'm a bit of an over-achiever :scared:), so they do like to have their work evaluated in some way. Now that the oldest is in high school, I am having to mark her work to create her transcript. I just don't grade each and every thing they do.
 
Any unschoolers in this group?....fans of John Holt? I'm not seeking to start a "how to" debate, just wondering if I have any who are like-minded in their approach! (graygables, your middle paragraph above here is spot-on to my philosophy!:thumbsup2)

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I do not really classify us as unschoolers but we do a great deal of what people would consider unschooling. I just prefer not to label us with any specific style as we are a continual work in progress. For each of my kids, we do what works. My oldest graduated at 16 and went to cosmetology school, in addition to taking college courses. She did use a curriculum for high school (her choice) but before that we did a lot of different things. For example, she loves to do crafts like wood burning, jewelry making, soap making, etc. She had an online business doing this while she was in middle school. Her math consisted of running her business. Now, she still has a business but its a different one. She found that special needs equipment, like weighted vests and blankets were very expensive and designed one for her brother that was just awesome. I showed it to his therapist one day and she got Kara ten clients within the week. My younger dd is also very creative but her creativity comes in the form of writing. At 14, she has been published four times and is currently writing her first full length novel which she hopes to publish. When she writes, she can get so involved that she forgets about things like math or social studies, though she does do a great deal of research for her books on places, people, and events. As for science, she volunteers at our vets office one day a week and learns a great deal there. She does use teaching textbooks for math, but I do not get upset if she gets into writing and forgets about TT for a few days. We have a ton of curriculum available and over the years have used Real Science 4 kids, which we loved and handwriting without tears which we also liked alot. My son has Math u See and handwriting without tears but past that, we use montesorri curriculum and free resourcs. He has a number of special needs that make school at home an impossible task and I am not sure I could do school at home anyway. We do a great deal of montesorri because my sister is a montesorri teacher and has given me a large number of resources and because he really likes the hands on work. We also play games and our school looks more like play most days.
 
"Here mom, you need this....it has a place to record my grades." I explained to him that I really didn't see the need for "grades", but for some reason, he wants me to grade him. I think maybe because he's spent 6 + years in public school, combined with the fact that he could show dad how he's doing. Hmmm.....

My dd11 did that too when we left school 2 years ago. The first day we were home (I pulled them mid-year)She made up our "school binder"... made a logo, named our school, made an attendance sheet - then took attendance - yep - she and her brother were present - check, check! :rotfl:

She made schedules for every subject she was used to doing in school, etc, etc. It lasted a few weeks. Her wanting me to 'grade' her work lasted about a year. Now 2 years later, we're very relaxed homeschoolers, and she could care less if I grade her (we hardly do any work that would require "grading" anyway).

It definitely takes a while for the deschooling to really kick in, but it does. That is when their interests and passions really emerge, and the real learning takes place... it's awesome to watch!
 
I really hope someone can help me

We use alpha omega life pacs as our curriculum and we like it. Next tuesday rainbow reasources are having a sale on all the alpha omega stuff at 20% off. I am thinking about buying for next year. here is my question

has anyone used the switched on school house I think my daughter would like to use the computer but i want to see how some one else likes it. Feel free to pm me thanks so much!
 

I really hope someone can help me

We use alpha omega life pacs as our curriculum and we like it. Next tuesday rainbow reasources are having a sale on all the alpha omega stuff at 20% off. I am thinking about buying for next year. here is my question

has anyone used the switched on school house I think my daughter would like to use the computer but i want to see how some one else likes it. Feel free to pm me thanks so much!

Sending you a PM.

By the way, where did you get the Yoshi and Hello Kitty smilies? Love them!
 
I really hope someone can help me

We use alpha omega life pacs as our curriculum and we like it. Next tuesday rainbow reasources are having a sale on all the alpha omega stuff at 20% off. I am thinking about buying for next year. here is my question

has anyone used the switched on school house I think my daughter would like to use the computer but i want to see how some one else likes it. Feel free to pm me thanks so much!

We tried Switched on Schoolhouse for my oldest for history when we first started homeschooling. It didn't work for her. She didn't enjoy it and tried to rush through. We quickly switched.
 
Does anyone know the dates for Homeschool Days at Disney for Jan '12? If not, what were the dates this year? We'd like to do it next year :)
 
First off, this consideration is in the very infant stages. I have not researched very much other than my state laws & city requirements. I would like to hear from anyone that has any experience with homeschooling or just can share some good/bad points. Like I said this is only a consideration right now and I will explain a little why.

My 14 year old DS is in the 8th grade. He was held back in 2nd grade due to struggling in pretty much all areas. He did have ADHD, then as he got older diagnosed as ADD. He no longer takes medication simply because he no longer needs it like he did. Meds or not it never changed his learning problems. He did have a 504 plan, which the middle school last year pressured me to stop it because they don't really utilize it anyway. One thing I have learned through all of these years of him struggling is, if your child is not technically learning disabled or an easy learner (including gifted or just smarter) then they can easily fall through those invisable cracks you always hear about. I have gone against teachers and schools trying to get him the help I think he needs only to become frustrated with the entire system. He has totally shut down this year and I can't change it. His teachers are fed up because he gets frustrated and then gets an attitude because they don't have the time to help him one on one. He tells his sister he gets picked on, but refuses to discuss it with me. I can't even get him to bring home his homework anymore, he just doesn't care any longer. His teachers won't post his homework on the webpage, so I never know what is even due. He is just so frustrated and tired by the end of the school day that he is totally shut down to even think about homework.

With that said, I know what he needs and I know how to get through to him. I myself did not go to college. I only have my high school diploma and trade school. I am aware there are programs available. Is this reason enough to homeschool him? I am so scared that I may hurt him more than help, but then again I see what path he is on and I refuse to lay down and do nothing. Our school system here is good. I have my oldest DD who breezed right through advanced classes and my youngest DD who is in the gifted class. My son is totally different and has always had a hard time. I mentioned to him just in passing and his reaction was "PLEASE, I can't take it anymore". I just feel like crying, just as I have for years over him. I can't really discuss this with my friends because I know that they don't have any problems with their children and school so they just wouldn't understand.

Kim
 
First off, this consideration is in the very infant stages. I have not researched very much other than my state laws & city requirements. I would like to hear from anyone that has any experience with homeschooling or just can share some good/bad points. Like I said this is only a consideration right now and I will explain a little why.

My 14 year old DS is in the 8th grade. He was held back in 2nd grade due to struggling in pretty much all areas. He did have ADHD, then as he got older diagnosed as ADD. He no longer takes medication simply because he no longer needs it like he did. Meds or not it never changed his learning problems. He did have a 504 plan, which the middle school last year pressured me to stop it because they don't really utilize it anyway. One thing I have learned through all of these years of him struggling is, if your child is not technically learning disabled or an easy learner (including gifted or just smarter) then they can easily fall through those invisable cracks you always hear about. I have gone against teachers and schools trying to get him the help I think he needs only to become frustrated with the entire system. He has totally shut down this year and I can't change it. His teachers are fed up because he gets frustrated and then gets an attitude because they don't have the time to help him one on one. He tells his sister he gets picked on, but refuses to discuss it with me. I can't even get him to bring home his homework anymore, he just doesn't care any longer. His teachers won't post his homework on the webpage, so I never know what is even due. He is just so frustrated and tired by the end of the school day that he is totally shut down to even think about homework.

With that said, I know what he needs and I know how to get through to him. I myself did not go to college. I only have my high school diploma and trade school. I am aware there are programs available. Is this reason enough to homeschool him? I am so scared that I may hurt him more than help, but then again I see what path he is on and I refuse to lay down and do nothing. Our school system here is good. I have my oldest DD who breezed right through advanced classes and my youngest DD who is in the gifted class. My son is totally different and has always had a hard time. I mentioned to him just in passing and his reaction was "PLEASE, I can't take it anymore". I just feel like crying, just as I have for years over him. I can't really discuss this with my friends because I know that they don't have any problems with their children and school so they just wouldn't understand.

Kim
First, :grouphug: to you!
Ok, now on to your issues:
1. Your son *not* being adequately educated by the school is *definitely* enough reason to homeschool!
2. You *do not* need to have gone to college to homeschool.
3. If you're not entirely comfortable, there are curricula available that has a teacher on a DVD. Then, you can help ds understand the material in the way that works for him (either you watch the dvd together, or you watch it and teach him with the dvd as a backup).
I always recommend starting with the book "So, You're Thinking About Homeschooling" by Lisa Whelchel. It's a great overview of what curricula is available, but uses actual families to describe how it works for them.
Feel free to ask us any questions you have!
 
first, :grouphug: To you!
Ok, now on to your issues:
1. Your son *not* being adequately educated by the school is *definitely* enough reason to homeschool!
2. You *do not* need to have gone to college to homeschool.
3. If you're not entirely comfortable, there are curricula available that has a teacher on a dvd. Then, you can help ds understand the material in the way that works for him (either you watch the dvd together, or you watch it and teach him with the dvd as a backup).
I always recommend starting with the book "so, you're thinking about homeschooling" by lisa whelchel. It's a great overview of what curricula is available, but uses actual families to describe how it works for them.
Feel free to ask us any questions you have!

ditto
 
Thank you both. I actually just purchased that book from amazon today because someone on the other board highly suggested it also. Hope to start reading it next week. In the mean time I'll be reading alot here and on other sites. I even said to my DH a few minutes ago, "why they heck didn't I think of this before?". I just didn't realize.

Kim
 
He was held back in 2nd grade due to struggling in pretty much all areas. He did have ADHD, then as he got older diagnosed as ADD. He no longer takes medication simply because he no longer needs it like he did. Meds or not it never changed his learning problems. He did have a 504 plan, which the middle school last year pressured me to stop it because they don't really utilize it anyway. One thing I have learned through all of these years of him struggling is, if your child is not technically learning disabled or an easy learner (including gifted or just smarter) then they can easily fall through those invisable cracks you always hear about.

Hi Kim :hug:

I pulled my kids from our small, private catholic school 2 years ago (dd was in 4th and ds was in 2nd). Our last 2 years of homeschooling have been the best years of their learning and our family lives!

Your ds sounds a lot like my ds9. I have a feeling the part I bolded above (and his AHDH and ADD) is more due to his learning style than anything else. That could be why the meds didn't help w/ his schooling - because it wasn't the problem in the first place. Technically, there could very well be NO *problem* - it could just be his learning style.

I very, very highly recommend http://www.learningsuccessinstitute.com/mariaemma.html
for you to assess his learning style. There's a homeschool assessment on the left side.

Assessing my ds and homeschooling him 'saved' him from a downhill spiral in learning and reaching his full potential. My ds couldn't complete his math work (2nd grade), and would come home w/ "INCOMPLETE CLASSWORK" in red ink on the top of the worksheet (made him feel really good - every day he said "mom, I'm the stupidest kid in class"), THEN after trying to complete that worksheet, we had all the regular homework to do. It was impossible for him. He was DONE with schooling for the day.

BUT the problem lay in his own, individual learning style, not in the school, and not in his brain. No learning disability or anything like that, but he learns very different from the average student, and schools can only cater to the average student (of course - they have 30 kids they're trying to keep under control and teach to). Here's what I figured out w/ my ds... the actual writing of the math was getting in the way of him 'learning' the math. He NEEDS to figure out something in his head on his own before he can really see it written down and get it (I'm soooo the opposite - I have to see it written down first), and i would have never known this about him, and he would have continued to struggle horribly if I had kept him in school.

His first grade teacher had called me in for a conference because ds wasn't showing all his work on the math problems... he was getting the correct answer, but that's it. He was doing it in his head. She said she was going to start marking them all wrong, even if they were right, because he needed to show the work. I get that the teachers need to see that - so we really tried at home to get him to do this. Never happened. Now, when I teach him math, we do it all verbally and with games, etc, then when he really gets it, we can go to paper. School has to do it the other way around.

When I pulled my kids from school (2 years ago this coming March), we 'deschooled' for a little while, which was hard for me to feel ok doing, because I was so programed to think that even a missed day of school would hold them back later in life. I LOL at that thought now, but it took a while for me to get there, with major support from veteran homeschooling moms.

In my ds's learning assessment, he scored extremely high in "inventor" and "performer", and very low in everything else, which the one homeschooling mom who recommended the site said is not very common (kids are usually a little more well-rounded, like my dd11 is).

This was one of the problems w/ my ds and 'school'... his learning style is fairly extreme, and a school simply cannot accomodate it. And the funny thing is, I didn't see any "inventor" in him at the time, because school can't really allow that type of learner to shine. It's amazing to me, this past year, how much of an "inventor" he's become, and how much he learns through his being allowed to 'invent'. And it's because he's being allowed to become his true self by me homeschooling him. Also, "performer" means he has to move when learning, and that's certainly kind of hard to do in a school setting. My ds is like 3 boys rolled into one, always climbing, moving, goofing, etc. But when allowed to learn the way he's comfortable, his learning is easy. That was never the case in school.

My dd11 had a more well-rounded assessment, and she was doing fine in school, but she can really follow her passions being homeschooled. But she'd be ok either way I think.

I want to also recommend John Taylor Gatto and John Holt. Please take some time to read some of their books. John Taylor Gatto was "teacher of the year" 2 or 3 times in NYC, has retired, and is now a huge homeschooling advocate.

My kids are younger, so I don't have advice for the high school years, but wanted to just give you my experience so far.

Good luck deciding what to do.
 
Hi everyone!:wave2:

We live in a horrible school district! House is for sale, but market is very slow around here. We sent DS1 to private Catholic school for mini-ps and pre-k (where he currently is). DS2 will be attending pre-k next year to learn how to be away from Mommy.:thumbsup2 But with his tuition, and how much they want to charge for DS1's and the uniform cost......:scared1:!

So, not knowing where we will be next school year, I have decided to homeschool DS1 for K. This is not a new concept for me. I was originally going to homeschool all of my children, but at the time it was for the wrong reasons. It was because I was clinging too tight.

DS is so very bright and loves school. He just turned 5 a couple of weeks ago and is learning to read, can count to 100, add and subtract and is well-adjusted.

That's a little background, now here's the problem.

I am completely overwhelmed. There is so much material out there and so many different methods. How do you know which one works best for you? How did you all begin? I am so excited to do this and if this year goes well, will continue long term with all 3 boys.

Please help!

Lisa
 
Hi everyone!:wave2:

We live in a horrible school district! House is for sale, but market is very slow around here. We sent DS1 to private Catholic school for mini-ps and pre-k (where he currently is). DS2 will be attending pre-k next year to learn how to be away from Mommy.:thumbsup2 But with his tuition, and how much they want to charge for DS1's and the uniform cost......:scared1:!

So, not knowing where we will be next school year, I have decided to homeschool DS1 for K. This is not a new concept for me. I was originally going to homeschool all of my children, but at the time it was for the wrong reasons. It was because I was clinging too tight.

DS is so very bright and loves school. He just turned 5 a couple of weeks ago and is learning to read, can count to 100, add and subtract and is well-adjusted.

That's a little background, now here's the problem.

I am completely overwhelmed. There is so much material out there and so many different methods. How do you know which one works best for you? How did you all begin? I am so excited to do this and if this year goes well, will continue long term with all 3 boys.

Please help!

Lisa

I love a lot of what the Charlotte Mason method (google it) does with younger kids. If I had homeschooled when mine were that little, I would have followed a lot of her ideas.
 
I love a lot of what the Charlotte Mason method (google it) does with younger kids. If I had homeschooled when mine were that little, I would have followed a lot of her ideas.

Thank you for your reply. I've been checking this method out and it looks really good. I feel like my mind is starting to mix up all of the different methods...it feels like jello!:rotfl:
 
Thank you for your reply. I've been checking this method out and it looks really good. I feel like my mind is starting to mix up all of the different methods...it feels like jello!:rotfl:

ahhhh yes! the jello-mind... I've had that too!

What I love about that method is being able to involve all the younger ages together. It's not "school-y" in the sense of textbooks for little kids... it just seems like such a 'nice' method for little ones. Good luck and enjoy - I LOVE hsing my kids! And I admit, I'm one of those moms who always missed my kids when they went off to school (I pulled them from 2nd and 4th grades) - I volunteered everyday at the school, and loved snow days and summer vacation time. (I didn't pull them because I missed them - there were many, many reasons I pulled them). But it's a great bonus to me to spend lots of time w/ them.

But that being said, my kids have tons of friends and we're part of a great homeschool group. My kids take weekly classes w/ other homeschoolers, they take gymnastics, and sleep over other peoples houses no problem. Just like kids who go to school. So them spending a lot of time w/ me doesn't make them or me clingy. So go ahead and enjoy holding onto them :)
 
I am completely overwhelmed. There is so much material out there and so many different methods. How do you know which one works best for you? How did you all begin? I am so excited to do this and if this year goes well, will continue long term with all 3 boys.

Please help!

Lisa
Lisa,
I always recommend "So, You're Thinking About Homeschooling" by Lisa Whelchel. It's an easy read, conversational book that covers 15 different curricula in 15 different families that homeschool 15 different ways. It can give you a clear overview for what's out there and help you "rule out" options that won't work for you.

Find out your child's learning style. There's a book called "How to Maximize Your Child's Learning Potential" that gives a look at what each learning style is like at different ages, as well as age-appropriate ways to teach each type of child.

Five in a Row is a great preK curriculum that uses Charlotte Mason methods, if you're interested in such. You can also look into www.letteroftheweek.com that will give you a free curriculum for each sound of the alphabet.

Have fun!
 
My 14 year old DS is in the 8th grade. He was held back in 2nd grade due to struggling in pretty much all areas. He did have ADHD, then as he got older diagnosed as ADD. He no longer takes medication simply because he no longer needs it like he did. Meds or not it never changed his learning problems. He did have a 504 plan, which the middle school last year pressured me to stop it because they don't really utilize it anyway. Kim


I would highly recommend reading The Mislabled Child. I am just finishing up this book and it is amazing. It explains all the different learning issues and how they are commonly mislabled. Most of the kids labeled w/ADHD don't really have it, they have other issues that present as ADHD and most Dr's aren't informed enough or know enough to dig deeper. It have verified for me that my son has some auditory processing issues and Sensory Processing Disorder. SPD presents as ADHD in a lot of ways. I was sure my son had ADD in addition to SPD, but now I'm not so sure. My Dr. had mentioned SPD and said to look into that because if he has that you wouldn't approach it the same way as ADD.

It is a hard read in some areas but it is wonderful. I highly suggest anyone who is or who pulled there kids because they were having issues in school read this book. For me in confirmed that I am doing the right thing. Every section that has applied to my child has said the best learning enviornment for him is either a computer or homeschool.
 












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