Holy Diagon Alley Batman!

[PlutoMars]

Fine. The ride opened with issues, as did FJ. That sucks.

Now, do you actually know how many days the kiddie coaster has been shut down since opening? No deflection there....just similarity. The two rides you mention are far above and beyond ANYTHING at all to do with a kiddie coaster that people have been waiting 3 years to ride. Do you find it acceptable that people who booked FP+ in advance, only to have their plans dashed upon arrival are forced to change it up?

Speaking of GR....how many pics have we seen of the lines at WDW vs Universal? Or do you just post in Universal threads?

I dont find it acceptable at either Universal or Disney. That is not my point.

My point is that there is a double standard here from Universal fans when it comes to issues like this.

And how long have people touted how Universal is light years ahead of Disney but yet you somehow justify and excuse today's issues with the attraction and customer service.

But I do agree that they have done an amazing job with the immersion aspect of Diagon Alley. No denying that at all.

 

[BugsDaddy]

I've been to Disney 50 times. That is why I KNOW the difference. Universal is kicking their *** right now and I can see it. Call it what you will. It's people like yourself (and UN...Pluto)who like to draw lines. It doesn't have to be like that.

Really? Kicking their butts huh? And how do you measure that exactly? That sounds more like an opinion than a fact. Overall attendance might be a good measurable.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Oh wow...You actually believe that mine train is Disney's answer to HP? I didn't get that until just now.

If not, I guess you will need to explain why are you trying to compare the two? It's like comparing apples and oranges.

No, I don't feel that way at all. My point was that Disney can't open a single kiddie coaster that took a year longer than the entire Diagon Alley land (including Gringotts) without having "hiccups". And it's actually like comparing cow patties and gold bars....but that is another argument.

 

[robpa]

Really? Kicking their butts huh? And how do you measure that exactly? That sounds more like an opinion than a fact. Overall attendance might be a good measurable.

overall attendance? 4 to 2 not a good barometer. So what Disney parks do you compare IOA and US to?

 

[Mad Hattered]

Really? Kicking their butts huh? And how do you measure that exactly? That sounds more like an opinion than a fact. Overall attendance might be a good measurable.

7 hour waits for Gringotts and 3 hour waits just to get into Diagon Alley? Didn't see that on the "grand opening" of NFL...just stating facts...sorry.

 

[macraven]

That is not what several people on twitter have reported. They were given express passes not park tickets.

the guests that had an AP were given an express pass.
they do not have to be concerned with park tickets.

those that came today with a park pass, were the ones issues a free day ticket so they could rerturn again.

 

[PlutoMars]

No, I don't feel that way at all. My point was that Disney can't open a single kiddie coaster that took a year longer than the entire Diagon Alley land (including Gringotts) without having "hiccups". And it's actually like comparing cow patties and gold bars....but that is another argument.

And that somehow excuses the fact that Universal didnt run their main attraction at Diagon Alley at full capacity today? We can put aside the glitches and breakdowns of Gringotts for a second but who thought it was a good idea to run it at less that full capacity on opening day?

 

[PlutoMars]

7 hour waits for Gringotts and 3 hour waits just to get into Diagon Alley? Didn't see that on the "grand opening" of NFL...just stating facts...sorry.

I guess it doesnt matter to you as to the "whys" of the 7 hour waits.

Let me help you. Running rides at half capacity and having multiple breakdowns will cause the line waits to inflate.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Save your silly insults. I have annual passes to WDW that cost me about 2.5X what my Universal passes cost. Also been on 7 Disney cruises, including 2 earlier this year and own pretty much every animated movie they've released. Being in touch with reality and having the ability to see beyond the "Pixie Dust Bubble" doesn't make one a fanboy of the nearest competitor.

You don't even give Disney credit where credit is due. Every comment I have seen you make about Disney is disparaging. This goes beyond "not living in the pixie dust bubble". Even those on the other side of this argument have managed to say something positive about what Universal is doing. I think you are truly throwing your money away if your comments reflect your feelings about the Disney product.

 

[DorianDonP]

I do find it interesting that the largest Internet forum for Universal is found on a website pretty much dedicated to all things Disney with a few segments put aside to appease the Universal fans.

You would think that with all of the people flocking to Universal as their primary destination, there would be much more activity with their followers requiring an entirely separate forum.

Oh, wait....

But...this forum isn't the largest or certainly not the most active forum for Universal.

The Orlandounited is a relatively new forum but it's more of a home for Universal subjects than disboards. It's pretty much the opposite of this site when it comes to Disney/Universal posting activity.

The Universal Studios Orlando resort forum has more than five time as many posts as the WDW resort subforum. Just glancing at the viewing numbers right now at 2 in the morning, and Universal threads have 151 active viewers right now compared to 11 active viewers for WDW threads.

http://www.orlandounited.com/forums/forum.php

 

[DisUniversal]

And that somehow excuses the fact that Universal didnt run their main attraction at Diagon Alley at full capacity today? We can put aside the glitches and breakdowns of Gringotts for a second but who thought it was a good idea to run it at less that full capacity on opening day?

You're starting to sound like a parrot. That said, do you think someone intentionally ran it at less than full capacity? Perhaps they actually applied some intelligence and ran it at the maximum capacity at which it worked most reliably?

 

[PlutoMars]

You're starting to sound like a parrot. That said, do you think someone intentionally ran it at less than full capacity? Perhaps they actually applied some intelligence and ran it at the maximum capacity at which it worked most reliably?

How could they intentionally NOT run it at half capacity? Of course they "intentionally" ran it at less than half capacity.

And are you really saying that how they ran it today was the most reliable way? With all those breakdowns?

Not my definition of intelligence.

 

[DisUniversal]

You don't even give Disney credit where credit is due. Every comment I have seen you make about Disney is disparaging. This goes beyond "not living in the pixie dust bubble". Even those on the other side of this argument have managed to say something positive about what Universal is doing. I think you are truly throwing your money away if your comments reflect your feelings about the Disney product.

You really can't see past the bubble, can you?

I love the cruises, I love the movies and I still enjoy much of what WDW has to offer. Does that mean I'm "truly throwing my money away". My issue is that most of what I enjoy there is the same stuff that was there when I moved here nearly 25 years ago. Heck, some of my absolute favorite attractions were here when I came in 1973 with my parents. Disney seems far more interested in squeezing every last dollar out of their "guests" lately while giving them as little as possible for those dollars. I am definitely not the only one who feels that way.

 

[BugsDaddy]

overall attendance? 4 to 2 not a good barometer. So what Disney parks do you compare IOA and US to?

In 2013, the Magic Kingdom park itself, without counting any other Disney park had 18 million plus visitors. Universal Studios and IOA had a combined 16 million.

You can add another 31 million plus visitors from AK, Epcot and DHS ( who individually all beat Universal and IOA in attendance).

Whose kicking whose butts? You want to know who is winning, you look at the scoreboard and at the total score, not just who scored last.

 

[DisUniversal]

How could they intentionally NOT run it at half capacity? Of course they "intentionally" ran it at less than half capacity.

And are you really saying that how they ran it today was the most reliable way? With all those breakdowns?

Not my definition of intelligence.

No, they intentionally ran it at less than half capacity (assuming you just didn't make that up) and then also intentionally ran it in such a way it would break down. If I were them, I'd be looking for the mole that Disney planted within the company to execute such a diabolical plan.

Happy? I hope so. Goodnight.

 

[PlutoMars]

No, they intentionally ran it at less than half capacity (assuming you just didn't make that up) and then also intentionally ran it in such a way it would break down. If I were them, I'd be looking for the mole that Disney planted within the company to execute such a diabolical plan.

Happy? I hope so. Goodnight.

You really cant see past the bubble, can you?

 

[Mad Hattered]

You're starting to sound like a parrot. That said, do you think someone intentionally ran it at less than full capacity? Perhaps they actually applied some intelligence and ran it at the maximum capacity at which it worked most reliably?

DIS....it's not a parrot...it's a puppet. I will PM you. Don't fall for it.

 

[Planogirl]

But...this forum isn't the largest or certainly not the most active forum for Universal.

The Orlandounited is a relatively new forum but it's more of a home for Universal subjects than disboards. It's pretty much the opposite of this site when it comes to Disney/Universal posting activity.

The Universal Studios Orlando resort forum has more than five time as many posts as the WDW resort subforum. Just glancing at the viewing numbers right now at 2 in the morning, and Universal threads have 151 active viewers right now compared to 11 active viewers for WDW threads.

http://www.orlandounited.com/forums/forum.php

Thanks for posting that link. I haven't been there in a while.

By the way, expect to be ignored by a few here. They seem too intent on picking fights to have an actual discussion.

 

[Planogirl]

DIS....it's not a parrot...it's a puppet. I will PM you. Don't fall for it.

I think that I know....

 

[robpa]

In 2013, the Magic Kingdom park itself, without counting any other Disney park had 18 million plus visitors. Universal Studios and IOA had a combined 16 million.

You can add another 31 million plus visitors from AK, Epcot and DHS ( who individually all beat Universal and IOA in attendance).

Whose kicking whose butts? You want to know who is winning, you look at the scoreboard and at the total score, not just who scored last.

I said you can't total 4 parks to 2 so by your stats MK is beating IOA and US as they should being MK has been around longer. I don't doubt that Disney is kicking US butt now but lets revisit this next year. Universal is making strides and they are not trying to unseat Disney just trying to take some market share. Disney's complacency will help fuel this loss of market share. Plus dude they are theme parks as long as they are both in business I don't think they really care who is winning. Bottom line they are both making money and filling a certain niche in the market. Disney is kiddie and Universal Thrill.