Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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[QUOTE="Got Disney";25791146]We have not been to US in a forever time....we were thinking about going there when we are at DL in July for 7 days. WE are going to go to the 3rd ratest best water park (non Disney related) when we are staying in DL...

Sure wish that DL would build a water park like in Florida....that would Rock. I think they have not because of the other one being only 20 minutes from DL and Anaheim wont let Disney do it :confused3[/QUOTE]
I live close to the 1st rated waterpark but I never go. My family does but I do other things. :confused3

Disneyland is great but they don't have room for a waterpark either. They could build one somewhere else in town I suppose.
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";25791286]Lots of bullying going on from the OS....makes me just shake my head. But ask a OS and they think we are all imagineing it or that we are again just racist ......even Obamas gaurds look and act like bullys to anyone that does not support him.[/QUOTE]
I've never understood the point of trying to bully someone into changing their vote. I doubt that it ever works.
 
I live close to the 1st rated waterpark but I never go. My family does but I do other things. :confused3

Disneyland is great but they don't have room for a waterpark either. They could build one somewhere else in town I suppose.

they have planned room in the parking areas and are planning on building a 3rd park. But first they have decided to add more to Cal. Adventure first than start on the 3rd.....they passed it like last year...through permits:thumbsup2
 

I've never understood the point of trying to bully someone into changing their vote. I doubt that it ever works.

It doesnt unless you can scare them bad enough with death threats....if it is just bulling it makes you just want to vote the other way just for spite....if Obama supporters are any indication of how Obama really is than I want no part of any of them or him. Many of them are just scarry.
 
Me POOL HOP? NEVER:angel:


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Have you eaten at Emerils place there????
Actually, pool hopping is not only allowed but encouraged among the three hotels. :love:

I haven't had the chance to try the two Emeril's restaurants because I have a picky eater and no sense spending good money there in that case. (My day will come.) But I hear lots of good things about both particularly the one in your hotel. :thumbsup2
 
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[QUOTE="Got Disney";25791525]It doesnt unless you can scare them bad enough with death threats....if it is just bulling it makes you just want to vote the other way just for spite....if Obama supporters are any indication of how Obama really is than I want no part of any of them or him. Many of them are just scarry.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that it's just some of them. Many aren't like that thank goodness. :eek:

I'm still waiting for Hillary to do her thing. Her campaign's last email said that more info would be coming soon. :confused3
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";25788978]they cant miss it....so they just ignore it and make believe to themselves that it is a myth or that it is just coming from racists...those that just cant see a black man as the POTUS....his supporters also blame everyone else just as Obama does...it's like Obama sends out subliminal messages on his website....

It is easier for them to turn a blinds eye than to maybe just maybe think that after all maybe he is just like another politician. Guess if they, faced that it is all he is....there dreams of all Hope peace and prosperity brought by this man would crumple and they would be heartbroken.......

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I've been thinking about that. How stuff like this will affect those supporters who bought into the myth and wholeheartedly believed this man was so much above any politician. Who believed he was a man of his word, and build him up full of above-human qualities (because that's what his campaign feed them) What will happen whe they find out their idol has feel of clay. People like that, if at some point feel duped can turn on him with the same passion they once supported him.

This is an interesting video from an OS who is feeling let down and is starting to question his support. By the end of it he looks kind of scared, I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6LtKDwVo-o
 
It did in Germany, early 30's!:headache:

Did you read this thread the other day?
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1859059

This is the real article by Thomas Sowell. After the last thread, the one that proved to quote a false article by him and prompted the big uproar by the OS, I couldn't believe that this thread was totally ignored. GeorgeG made an excellent post on it - well worth reading.

I've been thinking about that. How stuff like this will affect those supporters who bought into the myth and wholeheartedly believed this man was so much above any politician. Who believed he was a man of his word, and build him up full of above-human qualities (because that's what his campaign feed them) What will happen whe they find out their idol has feel of clay. People like that, if at some point feel duped can turn on him with the same passion they once supported him.

This is an interesting video from an OS who is feeling let down and is starting to question his support. By the end of it he looks kind of scared, I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6LtKDwVo-o

That video was good and sincere. I hope that more and more people begin to wake-up before it really is too late. But sadly, my faith in the American public isn't all the optimistic at the moment.
 
Did you read this thread the other day?
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1859059

This is the real article by Thomas Sowell. After the last thread, the one that proved to quote a false article by him and prompted the big uproar by the OS, I couldn't believe that this thread was totally ignored. GeorgeG made an excellent post on it - well worth reading.
That article was interesting.

I keep believing that the wrong candidate is running now and that real change won't happen. I'm really worried about our economy and I just can't buy into the message. I don't know why I can't and other people I respect can. :confused3

Not that it matters at this point of course. I'm still a Democrat.
 
Did you read this thread the other day?
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1859059

This is the real article by Thomas Sowell. After the last thread, the one that proved to quote a false article by him and prompted the big uproar by the OS, I couldn't believe that this thread was totally ignored. GeorgeG made an excellent post on it - well worth reading.

:scared1: But :thumbsup2 !

At this point I cant honestly say anything good about Obama!
Well other than he is a snappy dresser!:yay:
 
I don’t think it’s possible to trust Obama to take a serious stance on any issue. I believe that he drifts to whatever issue helps him at the time. He has no problem whatsoever to throw things under the bus as soon as it is through benefiting him. So, I say to those whose sole reason for leaning towards Obama is because he’s a Democrat: the man is proving that he’d throw every Democratic/liberal value under the bus if it benefited him to do so.

Obama Repeatedly Defecates On Progressives (re: John Barrow, FISA, NAFTA, Campaign Finance…)
By Deb Cupples

It’s been a painfully interesting few days for progressives who were positive that Barack Obama would prove to be an agent of capital-C Change –for those who truly believed that he was new and clean and would fight against corrupt, self-serving, old-style Washington politics.

The biggest clue that such capital-H Hopes were not rooted in reality came months ago, when newspapers like USA Today, the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune exposed evidence that Obama had used back door ways to take buckets of money from lobbyists and corporate interests after Obama proclaimed that he would not accept such money.

Since Obama became the Democrats’ presumptive nominee, he has wasted no time further dashing the Hopes of progressives far and wide.

Yesterday, for example, the Savannah Morning News reported:

*"In an unusual move, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is backing U.S. Rep. John Barrow [of Georgia] in a contested primary election.
*"On July 15, Barrow, who is white, faces state Sen. Regina Thomas, who is black, in a Democratic primary likely to attract overwhelmingly black turnout.
*"The Savannah congressman supports policies such as the war in Iraq and President Bush’s tax cuts, which Obama and Thomas oppose."

Rep. Barrow also fought hard to promote the Bush Administration’s domestic-spying programs and Telecom Amnesty (i.e., retroactive immunity for telecom companies that broke the law when helping the Bush Administration spy on Americans).

Progressives capital-H Hate Telecom Amnesty.

In short, Sen. Obama has chosen to publicly support a congressman who stands for three major policies that are egregiously offensive to progressives.
Incidentally, this is not the first time that Sen. Obama has endorsed a Republican in Democrats’ clothing. In 2006, Obama endorsed Joe Lieberman against anti-war candidate Ned Lamont (for whom progressive bloggers zealously campaigned).

Today, the picture became even rosier for progressives, when Sen. Obama (himself) publicly voiced support for a FISA bill that 1) broadens the Bush Administration’s domestic-spying powers, and 2) includes Telecom Amnesty.
If certain progressive bloggers were dead, they’d be spinning in their graves like the blades on a Sunbeam blender.

Marcy at Firedoglake (who, fortunately, is alive) explained her take on Obama’s statement as follows:

1. I will make a showy effort in the Senate on Monday to get them to take out immunity. I will lose that effort 32-65. But hey! I can say I tried!
2. But don’t worry, little boys and girls, Inspectors General are an adequate replacement for our third co-equal branch of government!
3. Nice little bloggers! Aren’t you cute! After you demanded accountability we gave you piggy lipstick and fig leaves and told you it was time to move on while we important Senators told you–in polite terms–to **** off.

Not all Telecom-Amnesty-hating bloggers have voiced such understandable outrage. TPM’s usually opinionated Josh Marshall (who seemed to lose his objectivity while campaigning for Obama during the primaries) merely quoted Obama’s statement but refrained from commenting.

Perhaps Mr. Marshall feels that crow tastes better in private. Or maybe he (a major opponent of Telecom Amnesty) is still in shock and doesn’t know what to say. Then again, he may be struggling to credibly phrase a defense of Obama’s capital-B Betrayal.

Supporting FISA and endorsing John Barrow are not Obama’s only recent acts of defecation upon progressives. Yesterday, Obama did a 180 on public financing for his campaign. Months ago, Obama said that if McCain agreed to public financing, then Obama would. Without even talking to McCain, Obama decided to skip public financing — meaning he is free to raise as much private (e.g., corporate and lobbyist-tied) cash as he can.

Obama’s campaign is spinning this reversal of position as a declaration of “independence” from the broken campaign-finance system. No, I’m not kidding.

Yes, it is a bit like McDonalds trying to sell Big Macs as health food to kids during Saturday morning cartoons — or President Bush’s trying to sell the Iraq war as aimed at securing freedom for the Iraqi people.

Some progressive bloggers have already convinced themselves that Obama has done the right thing by opting out of public financing. Of course, those bloggers are simultaneously choosing to ignore the fact that Obama flat-out broke a promise to them.

It’s amusing to watch people teach their logic to do gymnastics.
A few days ago, Sen. Obama admitted that his tough talk against NAFTA during the primaries was just talk: he doesn’t really plan to threaten to opt out of NAFTA as a means of re-negotiating for American workers’ benefit.
Obama’s campaign has tried to spin the 180-degree shift as a change in the tone of the rhetoric, but it’s much more than that. Check out this video, which shows Sen. Obama railing against NAFTA at a rally in NAFTA-hating Ohio in February (i.e., just before Ohio’s primary).

Then there’s the economy. Just days after becoming the presumptive nominee, Sen. Obama professed love for the so-called "free market." Basically, “free market” lovers want two things: less regulation and lower corporate taxes.

Other famous politicians who loved the so-called "free market" include George Bush and Ronald Reagan.
Since becoming the presumptive nominee, Sen. Obama has been looking more and more different from the person he’d represented himself to be during the first five months of 2008.

Maybe Sen. Obama has a sound, strategic reason for making himself look less progressive and more like John McCain — though I can’t imagine what it is.
If he resembles McCain too closely, all those democrats who are outraged by Obama’s Chicago-style campaign tactics will have good reason to vote against him in November: if the two candidates are so similar, why reward the one who misled voters, reversed himself on important issues, and fought to disenfranchise Michigan and Florida?
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/0...barrow-fisa-nafta-campaign-finance/#more-3167

*Edited a word as it wasn't DIS appropriate.
 
Did you read this thread the other day?
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1859059

This is the real article by Thomas Sowell. After the last thread, the one that proved to quote a false article by him and prompted the big uproar by the OS, I couldn't believe that this thread was totally ignored. GeorgeG made an excellent post on it - well worth reading.



That video was good and sincere. I hope that more and more people begin to wake-up before it really is too late. But sadly, my faith in the American public isn't all the optimistic at the moment.

That article made me think a little more on Iran. Ya know the threat ya know it's true and ya know we have 2 candidates that we are so unsure of.
So where do we go from here. That article makes me feel like I need to vote for McCain. I feel however that Obama will stay far away from war at a time when we may need to be in one and than McCain may get us in one but keep us there longer than we should be.

Iran is a clear and present danger. There is no doubt what he has up his sleeves....We need to stop being so politically incorrect to the point where we say...O we cant talk about that never mind do something about it because it will cause Terrorists to hate us more...so shhhhh and maybe they will go away.

If we were not in war or have this problem than I would say fine I'll vote Obama....but in a time of war that is a whole different ball game. Sure need to do a lot of soul searching.....
 
That video was good and sincere. I hope that more and more people begin to wake-up before it really is too late. But sadly, my faith in the American public isn't all the optimistic at the moment.

It's already too late. After all, who else will disgruntled Obama supporters vote for, McCain?

There are no viable alternatives out there at this point (for me, at least).
 
I don’t think it’s possible to trust Obama to take a serious stance on any issue. I believe that he drifts to whatever issue helps him at the time. He has no problem whatsoever to throw things under the bus as soon as it is through benefiting him. So, I say to those whose sole reason for leaning towards Obama is because he’s a Democrat: the man is proving that he’d throw every Democratic/liberal value under the bus if it benefited him to do so.


http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/0...barrow-fisa-nafta-campaign-finance/#more-3167

*Edited a word as it wasn't DIS appropriate.
The stuff I've been reading the past few days makes me less concerned about taking a stand and more worried about who he's going to be a puppet for. I've been around long enough to know you don't become a senator as fast as he did, and you don't become President either.

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http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/

He became Obama's *kingmaker.

Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio *program.

I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. Senator.'"
"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."


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Forget blood for oil when talking about Iraq, how about blood for nuclear power?

A timeline from everything I've read so far. He was against the war in 2002. The place that he gave that speech was an event held by a woman who was from his district. His district is prob. one of the most progressive in the area. She gave his campaign money. There was very little risk to him to make the statements that he made when and where he made them. In fact when he was running for the senate most people here didn't even know he made them. I actually follow politics. I work with people who follow politics. Some of them work on campaigns. Prior to his Senate run, most of us didn't know who this guy was.

Why? By 2004 his position was mirroring Bush's. This was right after he won the Dem. nomination for the US Senate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU

Prior to this interview was the meeting at Rezko's house with Obama and Auchi.

http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/its-appearance-of-impropriety-thats.html
Morrissey did not give the exact date of the interview. A quick check of the YouTube page shows it to have been April 5, 2004.

Cha-Ching!

Why is April 5, 2004, significant? Well, it was a mere two days after the famous April 3, 2004, private party at now-convicted felon, political fixer Antoin "Tony" Rezko's Wilmette mansion which he hosted in honor of Iraqi-British billionaire businessman Nadhmi Auchi.


Now the reason he changed position is of course, like they say in the link 'purely speculation'. But there is a paper trail that Obama has ties to dealings with Rezko and Blogo and the nuclear power plant that was going to be built in Iraq in the form of troop training to protect that plant.

It is purely speculation, but we still have that proposed power plant at Chamchamal in Kurdish Iraq that was to be jointly built and managed by partners Rezko and fellow Chicagoan and former Iraqi Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsammarae. (The contract was signed with Rezko under cover of Alsammarae's official authority. Alsammarae is now wanted in Iraq for the theft of $650 million in reconstruction funds.) A reported but unconfirmed third partner is Mr. Auchi.

Obama's position on Iraq as seen in this April 2004 interview raises more questions. We do know that two years later, in April 2006, Sen. Obama's Moline, Ill., office began negotiations, in conjunction with Gov. Rod Blagojevich's homeland security office, for a facility in Illinois that would train Iraqi security guards for the Chamchamal power plant. The company that had the contract for this training was Companion Security, of which Tony Rezko was a partner.
We also do know from the January 16, 2007, ex parte between Tony Rekzo and Judge Amy St. Eve that the security contract was cancelled in June 2006. Rezko engaged in communications with the Iraqi government in an attempt to revive it. Daniel Frawley, also involved with Companion Security, continued to meet with Seamus Ahern at the Moline office well into August 2006. All negotiations ceased in November 2006, when the contract cancellation was final.

And two weeks after the contract was cancelled in Nov. of 2006, Obama has a press conference.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/20/obama.iraq/index.html

"The time for waiting in Iraq is over. It is time to change our policy," said Obama, a freshman Democrat from Illinois touted as a possible national candidate in 2008.

"It is time to give Iraqis their country back, and it is time to refocus America's efforts on the wider struggle yet to be won."

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Oh yeah, the guy who was Iraqi Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsammarae under which Rezko was going to get the OK to build the plant. He had a press conference this week.

http://talismangate.blogspot.com/2008/06/pro-obama-iraqi-american-ex-convict.html

Ayham Alsammarae, Iraq’s slimy ex-Minister of Electricity under the Bremer and Allawi administrations, who had escaped from an Iraqi prison by hiring an American security company to break him out back in December 2006, has resurfaced in the Jordanian capital Amman where he gave a press conference today saying, among other things, that he hoped that the insurgency in Iraq “would continue [against U.S. occupation] and avenges the Iraqi people.”

Alsammarae, an Iraqi-American Chicagoan, added during remarks carried by Radio Sawa (Arabic link) that he had contributed the maximum allowable of $2,300 to Barack Obama’s campaign.
 
Very interesting Duckfan. Might be worth posting in its own thread.
 
The man just disgust me more and more every day.

All I hope for is as the election gets closer more and more people will open their eyes to what/who Obama REALLY is!
 
Oh, my...Duckfan, I agree this deserves its own thread. After all the OS always whine that they want to talk about the "issues"

I can't believe this is happening....the two choices we have. How could this happen? This is like a nightmare....
 
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