Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[punkin]

Interesting article.

For a while I really didn't know if I could vote for McCain, I never voted anyone but a Dem before.

I have come to my decision to vote for McCain in November. I will be honest in that most of it is vote against Obama, but it is also a vote I can live with.

I fear for this Country with Obama in the White House, more so then if McCain was in the White House.

With all of Obama's shady dealings and questionable past, not to mention all the recent "issues" of his coming to light, I can not and will not vote for the man. I will vote for the "other guy" (McCain) and know I am voting for the better person to run this Country. I do not fully support McCain, not even a little, but I can sleep better at night then if Obama was running the Country.

I think we will see a lot of "McCain Democrats" this election

I have not made the decision yet to vote McCain. I guess I am hoping for some kind of miracle. However, I do think that even though I do not like either one of them, when comparing their biggest positives I notice that McCain has great character and Obama gives great oration.

 

[jacksonsmom]

I have not made the decision yet to vote McCain. I guess I am hoping for some kind of miracle. However, I do think that even though I do not like either one of them, when comparing their biggest positives I notice that McCain has great character and Obama gives great oration.

The only miracle I am hoping for is at the DNC all the delegates realize what a big mistake Obama is and have Hillary running as President instead

Although deep down I know that won't happen, but man oh man what a great day that would be

 

[Lionqueen2]

The only miracle I am hoping for is at the DNC all the delegates realize what a big mistake Obama is and have Hillary running as President instead

Although deep down I know that won't happen, but man oh man what a great day that would be

I'll be hoping for this too, but know it will not happen. I cannot bring myself to vote for Obama and will be casting my vote for McCain this election.

 

[Planogirl]

I checked some of the polls and they show McCain leading in some and Obama in others. The race is far from over! As usual, the states they carry will be important too.

I've been following McCain's environmental ideas closely since that's such an important issue for me. I don't know what to think about his 300 million prize offer though. So far Obama's environmental stance is a bit better but I'm seeing a little of the old maverick McCain in his environmental stance.

 

[JARNJ3]

A nice Hillary article.

I am still thinking about the bolded comments......

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After wrapping up the longest presidential primary campaign in modern history, Sen. Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that she is ready to turn her attention back to being the junior senator from New York.
Sen. Hillary Clinton is greeted with cheers as she returns to the Senate after a two-week vacation.

Sen. Hillary Clinton is greeted with cheers as she returns to the Senate after a two-week vacation.

"I look forward to being back with this great team," she said as she returned to the Senate at the end of a two-week vacation, taken after she conceded the 17-month-long primary contest to Sen. Barack Obama.

The second-term New York Democrat pledged to "immerse myself in there," pointing to the chamber.

She had just emerged from the party's weekly luncheon, which Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called "one of the most emotional caucuses" he's ever attended on Capitol Hill.

He said the New York senator entered the event to a sea of high fives, cheers and a standing ovation from her Democratic colleagues.

Clinton said the opportunity to run for the Oval Office allowed her to "immerse myself in the extraordinary resilience and resourcefulness that is the American people." Video Watch Clinton being greeted with cheers »

"I come back with an even greater depth of awareness about what we have to do here in Washington," she said. "So many of the concerns that people have expressed to me over the course of this campaign are ones that they can't individually solve. They can't even really take it on just at the state or local level."

Clinton said that in addition to working "very hard to elect Sen. Obama our president," she plans to campaign on behalf of Democratic Senate candidates.

"We have been unfortunately stymied by the stalling tactics" of Republicans, she said, noting the need for 60 votes to get any legislation passed in the Senate.

"It's going to be up to the Democratic Party, and particularly the Democratic Senate, to make progress on everything from health care and the economy to ending the war in Iraq," she said. "I look forward to being back with this great team that we have here and doing everything I can to make that happen."

Clinton said she is not spending time on the possibility that she may be asked to fill the No. 2 spot on Sen. Barack Obama's presidential ticket.

"You know, it is not something that I think about," she said. "This is totally Sen. Obama's decision, and that's the way it should be."

But she made clear, as she tried to do in her ultimate concession speech June 7, that her supporters should not stray toward John McCain, no matter any hard feelings left over from a bruising primary.

"Anyone who voted for me has very little in common with the Republican Party," she said.

Thursday night, Obama and Clinton are set to meet with key donors in Washington. The next day, the two will appear jointly in Unity, New Hampshire, a small town on that state's western border where the two candidates tied in the January primary.

"This is going to be a symbolic event that I hope will rally the Democratic Party behind the nominee," she said.

Obama said he looked forward to working with Clinton and her husband, former President Clinton, on his campaign for the White House.

"Bill Clinton is one of the most intelligent, charismatic political leaders that we have seen in a generation, and he has got a lot of wisdom to impart," Obama said Tuesday.

"We are going to be working very closely with him and Sen. Clinton to make sure that we not only win in November, but we actually govern in a way that delivers on the promise of universal health care, good jobs and good wages, clean energy, lower gas prices, the things that are really going to make an impact on people's lives," he said. Video Watch Obama discuss Clintons' role »

Obama said the senator's presidential campaign had "enhanced" her stature in a way that would bolster her efficacy in the Senate.

"She garnered not just votes but passion and support of so many millions of people," Obama said. "She's going to be a force to be reckoned with not only in the Senate, but hopefully, if I'm successful in the White House, she's going to be one of my key partners in making sure that were moving forward on issues like healthcare that she cares so deeply about."

At an event in Riverside, California, Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said Clinton is probably returning to the Senate with greater political clout.

"I think, if I had to guess, that the fact that the she ran an honorable and incredibly long and dedicated campaign for the nomination of her party would indicate to me that she would probably return to the United States senate with enhanced prestige and enhanced influence," McCain said.

He also praised Clinton for her work on military matters since joining the legislative body in 2001.

"I think that Sen. Clinton has already attained a position of leadership in the United States Senate," he said. "She works hard at her job. She is a very important member of the Armed Services Committee, and I have worked together with her on a variety of national security issues."

McCain is working hard to persuade Clinton supporters to back his campaign

 

[JARNJ3]

News Bulletin from Nancy Pelosi.

All I have to say is "Duh."

She is such a disappointment as Speaker <- my humble opinion of course!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/pelosi-clinton-did-face-sexism/

Pelosi: Clinton Did Face Sexism

By Austin Bogues

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said today that she believed sexism against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was a factor in the 2008 Democratic primary fight, but added that the Democratic presidential candidate also benefited from being a woman.

At a breakfast sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, Mrs. Pelosi, who is the first woman to become speaker of the House, said she dealt with sexism on a regular basis. “I’m a victim of sexism myself all the time,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

Mrs. Pelosi said that she felt the issue needed to be studied, but said that her main priority now was to focus on the November elections. “Of course there is sexism. We all know that, but it’s a given,” she said.

“My impression is, yes, there was sexism. My knowledge is, yes, there is sexism because there has been,” Mrs. Pelosi said with a laugh. “I myself find that I get a tremendous upside being a woman, and I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about sexist remarks that people make.”

On the day that Mrs. Clinton returned to the Senate, Mrs. Pelosi added: “I think on the positive side Senator Clinton has advanced the cause of women in government and her candidacy has been a very positive tonic for the country and had a very wholesome effect on the political process.”

She also said that Senator Clinton benefited from women being “wildly enthusiastic” about her candidacy.

On other election issues, Mrs. Pelosi said that as of now, there were no formal plans for coordination or joint strategies between the presidential campaign of Senator Barack Obama and House Democrats this summer.

“What it means for us in the House is that we will have a standard-bearer who will be speaking about the Democratic priorities and the need for change that we have been talking about for a long time and in fact doing so with a bigger audience and a more eloquent spokesperson,” she said. “So we’re not changing our House agenda or anything. We’re on course to do what we have set out to do, but with a bigger bullhorn to speak about it out there.”

Mrs. Pelosi did say though that the House Democrats were seeking assistance from the Obama campaign in terms of fund-raising and resources.

“We have made some requests for Senator Obama to make some overtures to friends to help us raise some of the resources that we need to raise, but we haven’t gotten down to the level of scheduling and the rest of that,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

 

["Got Disney"]

Pelosi is a bubble head...and no it is not because she is a woman....so no sexism is reguired to be a bubble head She talks like it is okay for sexism to be exceptable. Whats up with that

As for voting McCain he is my choice over Obama at this point. However I most likely will not vote.

 

[Dolce27]

“We have made some requests for Senator Obama to make some overtures to friends to help us raise some of the resources that we need to raise, but we haven’t gotten down to the level of scheduling and the rest of that,” Mrs. Pelosi said.

That statement bothers me since we know who Obama's friends are. The DNC wants to be indebted to people like that?

 

[DISUNC]

The only miracle I am hoping for is at the DNC all the delegates realize what a big mistake Obama is and have Hillary running as President instead

Although deep down I know that won't happen, but man oh man what a great day that would be

It COULD happen! The odds are against it...BUT IT CAN HAPPEN AT THE CONVENTION.

 

[punkin]

It COULD happen! The odds are against it...BUT IT CAN HAPPEN AT THE CONVENTION.

Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, the Supers have gotten in bed with Obama and I cannot even imagine the type of bombshell it would take to dislodge them.

 

[Dolce27]

Disclaimer: This post comes with a warning. This is a topic that I’m taking with a grain of salt – unless harder evidence turns up for this – but I’m finding it to be an interesting topic. It is a topic that makes me go ‘hmmmm..’ as there are some valid questions/concerns brought up.

Here’s a potential ‘bombshell’ that is making me go
I hadn’t paid much attention to this topic at first and mainstream media isn’t discussing it… (although Obama has “addressed” this issue on his ‘fight the smear’ website – or whatever it’s called)

But have you heard about his HI birth certificate? Questions are arising for exactly where Obama was born… and there’s enough evidence turning up to cause a suspicion that it may not have been Hawaii. The other ‘possible’ locations of birth are Kenya (although I think that’s seriously far fetched), Washington State, and Canada – probably the Vancouver area.

I am finding it interesting as this continues to drag out and Obama can’t/won’t fully address it. Apparently he threw up a ‘birth certificate’ on his website but that’s showing to not be a valid certificate.

This came from Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health:

“At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically.” And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.”

His is missing the embossed seal and the registrar signature that is noted above to being a requirement on birth certificates.

The questions to Obama that have yet to be addressed are:

Per his autobiography, Dreams from my Father, he mentions finding his birth certificate tucked away in the 1970’s yet what he’s posted on his website has a date stamp showing June 2007. Did he lose his original birth certificate after finding it?

Why did he wait until 2007 to replace it if he’d lost it?

A blog that I’ve been reading (which the blogger has been doing fantastic research on) has been researching this. A reader sent them a scanned copy of her 1963 birth certificate for comparison from the same hospital that Obama has stated that he was born at. Her birth certificate has significant more detail such as:

age, race, birth place, occupation, and address of both parents
the signatures of both parents
signature of the attending physician
name of hospital, and other information

It also contains the embossed seal and a separate stamp/signature from the register that Janice Okubo stated they all should have.

The other location of birth choices, should Obama have been born someplace other than HI, stem from a sudden, brief roundtrip that Obama’s mother took in 1961 when he should have been a newborn. People are curious to know why she made that trip to Mercer Island Washington since it was ‘brief’ and unnecessary. That brought up the questions for if she’d had him in Washington state (which, since being in the US wouldn’t have been a problem) or possibly in Canada and then rushed baby Obama back to HI to file a late arrival birth certificate as his posted birth certificate shows “Date Filed with Registrar” while the one used for comparison by the blogger covering this says “Date Accepted by State Registrar.”

So, that’s your fun read for tonight. Again, I’m taking this with a grain of salt so the OS, if they’re reading, can move on to the next thread and don’t need to waste their time and effort to stop in and bash me. I just find it rather interesting that something that should be so simple for Obama to prove is yet another thing of shady mass confusion. I mean, there’s legit questions for why the posted birth certificate on Obama’s website is missing information that both the state of Hawaii and other birth certificates from that state (used as comparison) show that it should have. Everything seems to be so complicated with this man. That’s my real reason for posting all of this…I’m doubting that it’s going to be proven that Obama was born elsewhere.

Could you imagine what would happen if, say, in October it was suddenly proven that Obama wasn’t a natural born US citizen and therefore ineligible to run for the Presidency? Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue that close to the election date if the Dem’s suddenly lost their nominee?

 

[punkin]

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Could you imagine what would happen if, say, in October it was suddenly proven that Obama wasn’t a natural born US citizen and therefore ineligible to run for the Presidency? Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue that close to the election date if the Dem’s suddenly lost their nominee?

Wait...didn't I read somewhere that someone was challenging McCain's right to run as well?

 

[Dolce27]

Wait...didn't I read somewhere that someone was challenging McCain's right to run as well?

Wow.. you read fast. (Not that it's a bad thing - just surprised to have this quick of a response since I tend to write books)

I've heard something about that too. Wow - could you imagine what would happen if both candidates became ineligible to run?

What would both parties do in that scenario?

 

[punkin]

Wow.. you read fast. (Not that it's a bad thing - just surprised to have this quick of a response since I tend to write books)

I've heard something about that too. Wow - could you imagine what would happen if both candidates became ineligible to run?

What would both parties do in that scenario?

I am a very fast reader.

What would both parties do in that scenario?

That would be a dream scenario for me.

 

[DISUNC]

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=25885349#post25885349

 

[moon]

Disclaimer: This post comes with a warning. This is a topic that I’m taking with a grain of salt – unless harder evidence turns up for this – but I’m finding it to be an interesting topic. It is a topic that makes me go ‘hmmmm..’ as there are some valid questions/concerns brought up.

Here’s a potential ‘bombshell’ that is making me go
I hadn’t paid much attention to this topic at first and mainstream media isn’t discussing it… (although Obama has “addressed” this issue on his ‘fight the smear’ website – or whatever it’s called)

But have you heard about his HI birth certificate? Questions are arising for exactly where Obama was born… and there’s enough evidence turning up to cause a suspicion that it may not have been Hawaii. The other ‘possible’ locations of birth are Kenya (although I think that’s seriously far fetched), Washington State, and Canada – probably the Vancouver area.

I am finding it interesting as this continues to drag out and Obama can’t/won’t fully address it. Apparently he threw up a ‘birth certificate’ on his website but that’s showing to not be a valid certificate.

This came from Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health:



His is missing the embossed seal and the registrar signature that is noted above to being a requirement on birth certificates.

The questions to Obama that have yet to be addressed are:

Per his autobiography, Dreams from my Father, he mentions finding his birth certificate tucked away in the 1970’s yet what he’s posted on his website has a date stamp showing June 2007. Did he lose his original birth certificate after finding it?

Why did he wait until 2007 to replace it if he’d lost it?

A blog that I’ve been reading (which the blogger has been doing fantastic research on) has been researching this. A reader sent them a scanned copy of her 1963 birth certificate for comparison from the same hospital that Obama has stated that he was born at. Her birth certificate has significant more detail such as:

age, race, birth place, occupation, and address of both parents
the signatures of both parents
signature of the attending physician
name of hospital, and other information

It also contains the embossed seal and a separate stamp/signature from the register that Janice Okubo stated they all should have.

The other location of birth choices, should Obama have been born someplace other than HI, stem from a sudden, brief roundtrip that Obama’s mother took in 1961 when he should have been a newborn. People are curious to know why she made that trip to Mercer Island Washington since it was ‘brief’ and unnecessary. That brought up the questions for if she’d had him in Washington state (which, since being in the US wouldn’t have been a problem) or possibly in Canada and then rushed baby Obama back to HI to file a late arrival birth certificate as his posted birth certificate shows “Date Filed with Registrar” while the one used for comparison by the blogger covering this says “Date Accepted by State Registrar.”

So, that’s your fun read for tonight. Again, I’m taking this with a grain of salt so the OS, if they’re reading, can move on to the next thread and don’t need to waste their time and effort to stop in and bash me. I just find it rather interesting that something that should be so simple for Obama to prove is yet another thing of shady mass confusion. I mean, there’s legit questions for why the posted birth certificate on Obama’s website is missing information that both the state of Hawaii and other birth certificates from that state (used as comparison) show that it should have. Everything seems to be so complicated with this man. That’s my real reason for posting all of this…I’m doubting that it’s going to be proven that Obama was born elsewhere.

Could you imagine what would happen if, say, in October it was suddenly proven that Obama wasn’t a natural born US citizen and therefore ineligible to run for the Presidency? Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue that close to the election date if the Dem’s suddenly lost their nominee?

Why is he showing a fake certificate on his website? Why doesn't he clarify this? OTOH, I can't believe he would have the gall to try to pull something like that...but then, why the mistery?

Wait...didn't I read somewhere that someone was challenging McCain's right to run as well?

McCain was born on American territory in Panma (the canal zone). Some questioned if that made him a foreign citizen, but if he was born in tha zone there's no question about his citizenship.

Also, if a child is born to two American citizen parents, isn't s/he automatically an American citizen, regardless of where s/he was born?

 

[Dolce27]

Why is he showing a fake certificate on his website? Why doesn't he clarify this? OTOH, I can't believe he would have the gall to try to pull something like that...but then, why the mistery?

That's the reason I posted above. Why the mystery? This should have been something that he could have cleared up within minutes but instead he posts a birth certificate that has several missing pieces of important information that doesn’t show it to be a legitimate birth certificate.

By posting that post, I’m not necessarily stating that I believe he was born on foreign soil but I just can’t understand why everything has to be so complicated with this man. His church… his ‘friends’…the birth certificate… the list continues to grow.

 

[DISUNC]

Disclaimer: This post comes with a warning. This is a topic that I’m taking with a grain of salt – unless harder evidence turns up for this – but I’m finding it to be an interesting topic. It is a topic that makes me go ‘hmmmm..’ as there are some valid questions/concerns brought up.

Here’s a potential ‘bombshell’ that is making me go
I hadn’t paid much attention to this topic at first and mainstream media isn’t discussing it… (although Obama has “addressed” this issue on his ‘fight the smear’ website – or whatever it’s called)

But have you heard about his HI birth certificate? Questions are arising for exactly where Obama was born… and there’s enough evidence turning up to cause a suspicion that it may not have been Hawaii. The other ‘possible’ locations of birth are Kenya (although I think that’s seriously far fetched), Washington State, and Canada – probably the Vancouver area.

I am finding it interesting as this continues to drag out and Obama can’t/won’t fully address it. Apparently he threw up a ‘birth certificate’ on his website but that’s showing to not be a valid certificate.

This came from Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health:



His is missing the embossed seal and the registrar signature that is noted above to being a requirement on birth certificates.

The questions to Obama that have yet to be addressed are:

Per his autobiography, Dreams from my Father, he mentions finding his birth certificate tucked away in the 1970’s yet what he’s posted on his website has a date stamp showing June 2007. Did he lose his original birth certificate after finding it?

Why did he wait until 2007 to replace it if he’d lost it?

A blog that I’ve been reading (which the blogger has been doing fantastic research on) has been researching this. A reader sent them a scanned copy of her 1963 birth certificate for comparison from the same hospital that Obama has stated that he was born at. Her birth certificate has significant more detail such as:

age, race, birth place, occupation, and address of both parents
the signatures of both parents
signature of the attending physician
name of hospital, and other information

It also contains the embossed seal and a separate stamp/signature from the register that Janice Okubo stated they all should have.

The other location of birth choices, should Obama have been born someplace other than HI, stem from a sudden, brief roundtrip that Obama’s mother took in 1961 when he should have been a newborn. People are curious to know why she made that trip to Mercer Island Washington since it was ‘brief’ and unnecessary. That brought up the questions for if she’d had him in Washington state (which, since being in the US wouldn’t have been a problem) or possibly in Canada and then rushed baby Obama back to HI to file a late arrival birth certificate as his posted birth certificate shows “Date Filed with Registrar” while the one used for comparison by the blogger covering this says “Date Accepted by State Registrar.”

So, that’s your fun read for tonight. Again, I’m taking this with a grain of salt so the OS, if they’re reading, can move on to the next thread and don’t need to waste their time and effort to stop in and bash me. I just find it rather interesting that something that should be so simple for Obama to prove is yet another thing of shady mass confusion. I mean, there’s legit questions for why the posted birth certificate on Obama’s website is missing information that both the state of Hawaii and other birth certificates from that state (used as comparison) show that it should have. Everything seems to be so complicated with this man. That’s my real reason for posting all of this…I’m doubting that it’s going to be proven that Obama was born elsewhere.

Could you imagine what would happen if, say, in October it was suddenly proven that Obama wasn’t a natural born US citizen and therefore ineligible to run for the Presidency? Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue that close to the election date if the Dem’s suddenly lost their nominee?

Wait...didn't I read somewhere that someone was challenging McCain's right to run as well?

What a PIP of a story that would be.

Wow.. you read fast. (Not that it's a bad thing - just surprised to have this quick of a response since I tend to write books)

I've heard something about that too. Wow - could you imagine what would happen if both candidates became ineligible to run?

What would both parties do in that scenario?

On Siris radio today they were talking about how its VERY possible that after the Primaries we can have 2 NEW candidates!

Why is he showing a fake certificate on his website? Why doesn't he clarify this? OTOH, I can't believe he would have the gall to try to pull something like that...but then, why the mistery??

That I could believe that he would have the Gall.

McCain was born on American territory in Panma (the canal zone). Some questioned if that made him a foreign citizen, but if he was born in tha zone there's no question about his citizenship.

IMO I swear Obama was behind that, trying to disqualify McCain. In Obama first run for State Senate, he had all his opponents disqaulified over technicalites. So he ran unopposed. Thats how he won. And his US Senate run whith all his opponents sex scandals is high suspicious in my book.

Also, if a child is born to two American citizen parents, isn't s/he automatically an American citizen, regardless of where s/he was born?

Obamas father wasnt a citizen. I remember when this came up with McCain, there is some vaugness in the Consistution that alludes to the President MUST be born on US territory.

 

[moon]

I found this:

Through birth abroad to one United States citizen
For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:

One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth; and
At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of his or her citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.

Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law as it existed at the time of the individual's birth controls.

Quite complicated. This could become a real mess.

And DISUNC, you're right, he could have the gall! But something like that can't be kept a secret forever.

 

[DISUNC]

IAnd DISUNC, you're right, he could have the gall! But something like that can't be kept a secret forever.

Are we keeping track of just how many SECRETS we found out so far about this guy???????