Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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I don't want to imply that Obama said that! He certainly didn't!

I have just heard the same rhetoric from the radio personalities on both right and left wing talk radio. Rush Limbaugh is trying to get "Operation Chaos" going which he hopes will culminate with riots at the convention in Denver. I have also heard people like Mike Malloy (on the left side of a dial) say the same kind of thing should Hillary win he nomination.

I think a group of people should get together and convince Rush to lead a riot. Then when he shows up to lead his supposed trouble makers, they all throw pies in his face.

Edit. Upon further thought, that wouldn't work. The chicken just likes to start trouble. He wouldn't actually show up to be a part of it.
 
There is only one problem, the nominee is chosen by the delegates, not the popular vote.

As much as I would like to disagree I cant because this is correct. Eventually unless something comes up to wipe Obama off the map...he will get the delegates he will need before it goes to the the convention. Many are just waiting for MI and FL to be seated and than they will go the way of Obama. Not because they all feel he is the right choice but because they want to end this before the convention.

Wonder if Edwards came out because Obama offered him the VP position? Strange since Edwards thinking is more online with Hillary's....and before the OS say no it's not the media has even said as much on all channels.

Strange for him to do this in MI however. :confused3

Glad he finally did something we have been wondering where he disappeared to:upsidedow
 
Sorry, but she's only "ahead" if you include a state where Obama's name wasn't on the ballot, and - to borrow a phrase I've read here many times - if you "disenfranchise" voters in Iowa, Washington, Nevada, and Maine, where they do not count "popular" votes.

Cor44432 is right. Of 6 possible scenarios (the actual total, the total with Florida, the total with Florida and the caucus states, the total with just the caucus states, the total with Michigan and Florida (but no caucus states), and the total considering all votes, including the caucus states AND Michigan and Florida), she is leading in only one - the one that considers the state that had a ballot without Obama's name on it and without the four caucus states that don't release a popular vote total.

So, again, why did Obama choose to take his name off a ballot which he was already on? Obviously he didn't have to take his name off the Michigan if Hillary was able to keep hers on the ballot.
 
I'm a major fan of Edwards so what he said means a lot to me. I still believe that Hillary is the better candidate but I can respect that Edwards can support Obama.

Did anyone here listen to Edwards' speech? He praised Hillary a lot and I suspect that he actually liked both candidates. If you like both then you endorse when one appears to be ahead. I don't blame him for that.

He also spoke of everyone coming together. I think that's an important thing to hear for BOTH sides.
 

[QUOTE="Got Disney";25112834]As much as I would like to disagree I cant because this is correct. Eventually unless something comes up to wipe Obama off the map...he will get the delegates he will need before it goes to the the convention. Many are just waiting for MI and FL to be seated and than they will go the way of Obama. Not because they all feel he is the right choice but because they want to end this before the convention.

Wonder if Edwards came out because Obama offered him the VP position? Strange since Edwards thinking is more online with Hillary's....and before the OS say no it's not the media has even said as much on all channels.

Strange for him to do this in MI however. :confused3

Glad he finally did something we have been wondering where he disappeared to:upsidedow[/QUOTE]

What channel are you watching??
 
I'm a major fan of Edwards so what he said means a lot to me. I still believe that Hillary is the better candidate but I can respect that Edwards can support Obama.

Did anyone here listen to Edwards' speech? He praised Hillary a lot and I suspect that he actually liked both candidates. If you like both then you endorse when one appears to be ahead. I don't blame him for that.

He also spoke of everyone coming together. I think that's an important thing to hear for BOTH sides.

Being a veteran of two Edwards campaigns, and then Edwards/Kerry..I have to say I am somewhat disappointed in him. He waited this long, I wish he would have just stayed out of it until he cast his delegate vote.

I agree he is more in tune with Hillary. It makes me sad, but I guess he has to do what he thinks will put him in a position to do the most good for the country. I just don't happen to agree with his decision this time, but I still like him.

Mary
 
Did anyone here listen to Edwards' speech? He praised Hillary a lot and I suspect that he actually liked both candidates. If you like both then you endorse when one appears to be ahead. I don't blame him for that.

He also spoke of everyone coming together. I think that's an important thing to hear for BOTH sides.

I don't blame Edwards. I really didn't think he had a choice if he wanted to save his politicial career.

I am sure he was getting very pushed to go to Obama's side by the higher Dems.

I still predict
General election Obama & McCain
with Obama losing and we have President McCain for 4 years :mad:
All the Dems will wonder what happened :confused3
Then Obama will go away like yesterday's news :thumbsup2
THEN Hillary will be back in 2012 and will be the Dem Nom! :woohoo:
 
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I don't blame Edwards. I really didn't think he had a choice if he wanted to save his politicial career.

I am sure he was getting very pushed to go to Obama's side by the higher Dems.

I still predict
General election Obama & McCain
with Obama losing and we have President McCain for 4 years :mad:
All the Dems will wonder what happened :confused3
Then Obama will go away like yesterday's news :thumbsup2
THEN Hillary will be back in 2012 and will be the Dem Nom! :woohoo:
That could happen but I hope not. I still want Hillary to be President but not like that.

What I would prefer is for her to be in Obama's Cabinet in some way. It bothers me that the other side writes her off so easily. I understand the reasoning but it still bothers me.
 
So, again, why did Obama choose to take his name off a ballot which he was already on? Obviously he didn't have to take his name off the Michigan if Hillary was able to keep hers on the ballot.

It was done because the Michigan primary "didn't mean anything", to borrow Hillary's phrasing. The same reason John Edwards, Bill Richardson, and every other major candidate pulled their names off.

That could happen but I hope not. I still want Hillary to be President but not like that.

What I would prefer is for her to be in Obama's Cabinet in some way. It bothers me that the other side writes her off so easily. I understand the reasoning but it still bothers me.

I've started hearing some buzz about her potentially as a Supreme...and frankly, I like that idea. We need more good liberal minds on the Court, and Hillary being a woman is a big bonus as well.

As for being in Obama's cabinet...I don't think so, not because I don't think she'd be suited to any of those positions, but because I think she can do more good in the Senate than she could as Secretary of ______. Although, considering her background and strength on the issue of Health Care, I think she'd make an excellent head of Health and Human Services...just not sure she wouldn't be better in the role of Senate Majority Leader (which is where I'd really like her to be). And please don't take that as if it's a "consolation" prize, because that's not how I mean it. The Leadership is a position of power within the Senate, and we - the country as well as the party - could use someone in there with some fight in them, which I don't think can be applied to Harry Reid.
 
So, again, why did Obama choose to take his name off a ballot which he was already on? Obviously he didn't have to take his name off the Michigan if Hillary was able to keep hers on the ballot.

All the active candidates removed their names from the ballot except for Hillary, it wasn't just Obama.


That could happen but I hope not. I still want Hillary to be President but not like that.

What I would prefer is for her to be in Obama's Cabinet in some way. It bothers me that the other side writes her off so easily. I understand the reasoning but it still bothers me.

I don't write her off either, I think she's a brilliant mind and do not want her to go into the shadows, I want to see her continue, either as part of an Obama administration or a Supreme Court Justice or as Senate Majority leader. She is deserving, she is a great political mind, she definitely brought a lot to this primary, even though I support Obama.
 
I think she'd be better in a role of Vice President.

Unfortunately, I can't get into this any more. My Mom was taken to the ICU with pneumonia today. Its all I can think about - I lost my passion for this race.

I told Mom in the ER tonight that Edwards endorsed Obama. She was able to make a "I don't like that face."

Any prayers and positive thoughts would be greatly appreciated. ( You don't need to write them down - don't want to hijack the thread here - its just enough that you have them.....)
 
All the active candidates removed their names from the ballot except for Hillary, it wasn't just Obama.

Nope!
Dennis Kucinich & Chris Dodds name were also on the MI ballot. Also there was a "Uncommited" box. Those votes will go to Obama.

So Clinton will get 46% and Obama will get 42%.

Note..All polls stated that if Obamas name did apeear he would have only got 23% of the votes.
 
Let's see. Popular vote, Delegates, Whether to count Michigan and Florida or not to count Michigan and Florida. I'm so confused. Oh I know. I'll ask Hillary. Hillary, what say you on this subject?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsYnegoV28

It is clear from this video, as well as quoted statements from her surrogates through the process that Hillary knew and agreed that Michigan and Florida were not within the rules and would not count.

He's there to make up for fighting so hard to ignore their vote
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The same exact vote that Hillary agreed to ignore until she figured out she'd lose without it. He's there because Michigan is an important state in the general
He CHOSE to take his name off the ballot at the last minute for stragic reasons.
He chose to take his name off the ballot because that was what was agreed to. Hillary left hers on for strategic reasons as did a couple others who figured the extra 2% they'd get out of it.
He knew he could only win caucuses because it's not a private ballot
. Good thing North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina, and Missouri had Caucuses. He'd have been in big trouble if they were primaries. Oh wait. Oops. They were. By the way, some states run a firehouse caucus for their Presidential vote before the meeting starts. Those are by secret ballot.
He knew he would be beaten in Michigan.
Yeah. She couldn't even get to 56% with the only other viable candidate being uncommitted. But somehow, if they both had actually been on the ballot and campaigned, she'd have definitely beaten him. Whatever you say.
If he was interested in counting all votes he would have stayed on that ballot whether their delegates were seated or not!
Actually if Hillary was interested in counting all votes she'd agree to a firehouse caucus in both Michigan and Florida within the rules. Note that a firehouse caucus is one where people go to the caucus site, cast their ballot, and leave. It's not the meeting type caucus where you have to stay for 3 hours and stand here, there, and everywhere. And my same statement goes for Obama too. Neither candidate, nor the Democratic party in both states should have let it come to this. What about the people that stayed home knowing those votes wouldn't count? I see Hillary doesn't care about disenfranchising them. For all this talk about counting the vote the only votes Hillary wants to count are the votes that benefit her. She has no problem with disenfranchising everyone else.

I assume Edwards is there to make sure Hillary's whooping of Obama in W.Virginia is forgotten.
It already was, Hillary netted 12 pledged delegates out of WV. Obama got 22 supers in just the 4 days before that. . Besides. We have 6 or 7 total thrashings of Hillary far worse to fall back on for bragging rights.

She is the better candidate [/QUOTE]
Better candidates don't go into an elections that are supposed to be mere formalities with all the advantages she had and proceed to fail to blow out their opponents, let alone lose.

Hillary is ahead in the popular vote. I must make a public statement to Obama asking him to drop out!
--Obama supporters, please take notice that Hillary is ahead in the popular vote. Obama did not win anything yet.

A national popular vote doesn't exist in any meaningful form in the primaries. You cannot add total votes in true caucus states, firehouse caucus states, and primary states, and then claim you have anything meaningful. It's like adding 4 apples to 6 oranges and 5 Melons and getting 15 pears.

Ignoring that problem the only "popular vote" she leads in is if one counts Iowa, Maine, Washington, and Nevada as zero for both candidates, and counts the elections of Florida which didn't count and count her votes in Michigan and give him a goose egg in another election that didn't count.
To make such a claim is not on the up and up to say the least.
 
I think she'd be better in a role of Vice President.

Unfortunately, I can't get into this any more. My Mom was taken to the ICU with pneumonia today. Its all I can think about - I lost my passion for this race.

I told Mom in the ER tonight that Edwards endorsed Obama. She was able to make a "I don't like that face."

Any prayers and positive thoughts would be greatly appreciated. ( You don't need to write them down - don't want to hijack the thread here - its just enough that you have them.....)


:wizard: & :grouphug: for your Mom & your family!
I hope she feels better soon!
 
[QUOTE="Got Disney";25112834]As much as I would like to disagree I cant because this is correct..... ..he will get the delegates he will need before it goes to the the convention. [/QUOTE]


We dont KNOW that for sure. He needs the SD's as much as she does.

It all really comes down to the SD's
 
I think she'd be better in a role of Vice President.

Unfortunately, I can't get into this any more. My Mom was taken to the ICU with pneumonia today. Its all I can think about - I lost my passion for this race.

I told Mom in the ER tonight that Edwards endorsed Obama. She was able to make a "I don't like that face."

Any prayers and positive thoughts would be greatly appreciated. ( You don't need to write them down - don't want to hijack the thread here - its just enough that you have them.....)


:grouphug: JARNJ3, Thoughts and prayers so your mom fully recovers soon!
 
This is funny too

Obama calls a News reporter "Sweetie" to bypass answering her question!

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/obama_appears_to_call_reporter.php

Update

Obama Apologizes to WXYZ Reporter

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama has apologized to WXYZ reporter Peggy Agar for calling her "sweetie" during a campaign stop Wednesday in Sterling Heights.

Obama apologized in a voicemail he left on Agar's cell phone at 3:16 p.m:

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story.aspx?content_id=13d1f66a-488b-46d3-9d3b-6632e0a8f1f7
 
JARNJ3, I hope your mother is all right. Sending prayers and good wishes.
 
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