Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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But I never told you not to voice your opinions; I pointed out the irony in that opinion being the same one many had about Hillary. You don't find that ironic, I get that.

I get that and you did not and did not mean to imply that you had....I was just stating in general:flower3: ...but this is my opinion not the pundits. It did not bother me so much about what was being said about Hillary that was similar. After all it is politics and things will be said. It was the double standard that Obama could do no wrong but Hillary did everything wrong and that Obama was a WOW person. The media was very bias for a long time.

That's what bothered me...not that some liked her and some did not. It was the double standard/bias attitudes that was so obvious. Heck they were even joking about it on SNL and other shows it was so obvious.

I don't care who likes her(Hillary) and who does not...don't care who likes obama and who does not.
 
Speaking of getting to know the spouse of the candidate better, what's with Cindy McCain not releasing her tax records?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080508/ap_on_el_pr/cindy_mccain_taxes

I doubt it. They file seperately.

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24995730]What I am not getting is why is it OKAY for Michelle to state her opinion of how she feels but we are not :confused3 How come she can voice her opinions that she does not like how things are going her way ...but we are not.

I never said she has no right to her opinions of any other OS that they have no rights to there opinions. An opinion is an opinion.

So does it bother you OS that much that I and others don't like her :confused3 are we suppose to because the OS do :confused3 geesh come on already. The article is a article....the words were "quoted" in the article as her words. That is what I was reading ...not the opinion of the writer.

Seems like a mountain made out of a mole hill....it's not like she is the only one in this world that I dont care for...are thre not people that you dont care for....like Hillary maybe![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE="Got Disney";24996275]yes but that was not the point. I have no problem with OS coming in here and asking questions about why we feel a certain way about something. Its when we post anything about Obama or Michelle we get bombarded with saying we are attacking poor Obama or Michelle.
We cant even have our points of views in here anymore. The Obama thread is always neg about Hillary and name calling and nasty stuff but we don't run in there and say "Hay how dare you" Do you have facts to back that up!

Lily came in here and asked a question of why that article was posted from a Right wing writer....she did not come in and start stuff about us attacking Michelle. She kept that in the Obama thread and discussed it among the OS posters. Kudos to her for understanding that at this time our opinions are not the same.

Funny how even if I go into the Obama thread and post a congrats or tell someone like PR that she is inspirational on how hard she is working for Obama....I get thrown out and told off to leave and go back where I belong....pretty much in those words.

Yet I have never ever asked anyone form the OT to please leave unless they are starting a fight. Also funny that the ones that have told me to leave in a nasty way are the same ones that come here to stir things up and don't care that we have opinions because since we are Hillary supporters all of our opinions are wrong and we are to stupid to know the FACTS and we just talk out of our BUTTS.

So go ahead and play that about anyone can post where ever. Funny that I get so much crap from the Obama supporters for going into the Conservative thread every once in awhile....yet have not read anyone saying anything from the Obama thread about your OS posters that go in there chatting once in awhile also. :confused3

Double standards I guess.[/QUOTE]

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We get attacked for complaining about Obama supporters!
We get attacked for complaining about Obama
Now we get attacked for complaining about Michelle.

THIS IS THE HILLARY THREAD!!!!!!

I dont read YOUR Obama thread...BUT I WILL BET MY LAST DOLLAR THAT
1) Hillary supporters are complained about on it
2) Hillary is complained about on it
3) Bill is complained about on it

Throughout this Primary I have been called A Koolaid drinking Lying Racist by various DisBoards Obama supporters. ENOUGH of this crappolla!

We are all adults here, and we should behave as such!


We are talking about grown up people who CHOSE to go into public office, and if we do or dont like them for any reason...we have every right too.
I see no Hillary Supporters saying ANYTHING uncalled for here.

If you dont like something posted here, then fine, you have the right to voice your opinion, or even STOP reading here. Quite frankly IMO Obama Supporters are getting on my last nerve with your holier than tho hypocritical whiney attitudes and posts. Utterly childish nonsense!

And if anybody post anything negative about the 'almighty' Obama that is from a Conservative source...SO WHAT?

NEWSFLASH! In the real world Conservatives DO vote in General elections! And if you dont know what they are thinking, you are in for a HUGE WAKE UP CALL come November.

off the soapbox now!
 
I doubt it. They file seperately.!


Yes, but getting to know everything about the candidate's spouse is important when considering who to vote for, correct?
 
Yes, but getting to know everything about the candidate's spouse is important when considering who to vote for, correct?


I'm curious CHobie why you didn't respond to my post? Do you really think that the spouse is totally irrelevent? Since the spouses are often sent as ambassadors, then don't they factor in to a certain degree?
 

I'm curious CHobie why you didn't respond to my post? Do you really think that the spouse is totally irrelevent? Since the spouses are often sent as ambassadors, then don't they factor in to a certain degree?

I'm not Chobie but I'll respond. I won't say the spouse it totally irrelevant but after nearly eight years of Laura Bush as First Lady (and she was the First Lady of my state before that) I really can't recall anything she's done other than her current book tour. Maybe I've just tried to block all Bushes from my brain!:rotfl:
 
I'm not Chobie but I'll respond. I won't say the spouse it totally irrelevant but after nearly eight years of Laura Bush as First Lady (and she was the First Lady of my state before that) I really can't recall anything she's done other than her current book tour. Maybe I've just tried to block all Bushes from my brain!:rotfl:
Rumor has it that she's throwing a big party this weekend, but I wasn't invited :confused3.
 
I'm already a little behind in posting this response as this thread is moving a bit quickly right now.. but do defend myself:

You know, I'm the one who posted the article now in controversy (because of its source). News is news and everything is bias. You should read everything, conservative or liberal, and try to find the truth. I'm not saying, nor did I say, that the article I posted is the absolute above all truth but it was a viewpoint that I found when searching for news articles about the topic and I found it interesting.

In the 2004 election an older gentleman at work came up to me and cracked a joke about Kerry. At the end of the joke he said that that he knew that I was Democrat (actually, I was Republican but voting for Kerry because I wanted Bush OUT… but I didn’t explain that to him) and that’s why he told me the joke.

We wound up in a political debate and everything I said he’d accuse me of being wrong. I was listening to all the liberal news media, ect.. ect..and they are biased and are all wrong ect.. ect..

I was amused throughout his rant – and it turned into a rant- and finally he quieted down and I asked him one question:

So, what news media do you listen to?

He began sputtering and going off about how his news media wasn’t biased and his news media….

My point is – there are conservative takes and liberal takes on everything out there and the conservatives think the liberals are wrong and vise versa.

Just because an article comes from what a liberal would describe as an ‘extreme right-wing nutbar’ doesn’t mean that there’s not a valid point to the article or that there isn’t any truth to it. Just remember… the Republicans think that the liberal media is full of ‘extreme left-wing nutbars’.

Stop being so logical.....this is a political thread. :upsidedow


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Nice to see all the BO supporters over here spreading the good will & inviting us into the big tent.

No lecturing, no telling us that our opinions are wrong or telling us of our candidate's flaws. & heck....they don't even need HC or her supporters this fall.

They're just feeling the olive branch spirit.....basking in the "we will work together" glow of their candidate, his wife & their philosphy of uniting all Democrats.....& then we'll get all the Republicans on this love train too.

I haven't felt this spiritual about Presidential politics since McGovern won the nomination.
 
I'm curious CHobie why you didn't respond to my post? Do you really think that the spouse is totally irrelevent? Since the spouses are often sent as ambassadors, then don't they factor in to a certain degree?


Yes, unless they are running as a "two for the price of one" thing. Or unless the wife is a total psycho or drug addict. But to pick apart every thing the spouse says and to pontificate about what she thinks and how much of what she thinks influences her husband is reaching for things to not vote for Obama for.

And for crying out loud, Hillary's spouse had sex in the oval office with an intern, but you don't hear any of OS using that as an excuse to dislike Hillary.
 
I'm not Chobie but I'll respond. I won't say the spouse it totally irrelevant but after nearly eight years of Laura Bush as First Lady (and she was the First Lady of my state before that) I really can't recall anything she's done other than her current book tour. Maybe I've just tried to block all Bushes from my brain!:rotfl:

While Laura Bush seems to have had little impact, that does not mean that Michelle Obama won't have major policy changing encounters and influences.

Remember that Ladybird Johnson was the driving force behind the highway beautification act and other environmental laws.

To say that a first lady (or first spouse) can not be a major influence to administration policies, and should not be considered part of the package, in todays world is unreasonable.
 
I think this article makes some good points:


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Sarah Churchwell: Hang on in there, Hillary. It's too soon to quit


Thursday, 8 May 2008


Last October, a revelatory Vanity Fair article called "Going After Gore" traced the dubious history of the "toxic coverage" in the US media that irreparably damaged Gore's chances in the 2000 election. The effortless charm of George W Bush was relentlessly contrasted with Gore's inability to turn charm on like a tap.


Gore was seen as too focused on the minutiae of policy, and as someone who wasn't a natural politician, whose lack of ease with the press, and the public, was a liability in a campaign increasingly run on personality and on rhetoric. Bush was the man reporters wanted to have a beer with: a roguish, fun-loving guy who'd be "a different kind of Republican". Meanwhile, a journalist with Time magazine admitted: "It's really easy, and it's fun to disprove Al Gore." And so they went for him, setting him up and then shooting him down.

As the calls for Hillary Clinton, another "unnatural" politician and "charmless" policy wonk who has been excoriated by the press, to concede the primary race for the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama grow louder and more hectoring, it seems worth pausing to consider whether history might have anything to teach.

The most common reason put forward for insisting that Clinton "do the right thing" and "bow out graciously" is that she is doing the Democratic party, and its chances in November, irretrievable harm by prolonging the internecine struggle of the primary contest and taking it to the convention (despite the fact that the chairman of the National Democratic Committee, Howard Dean, has suggested that the nomination should be decided around 1 July).

A similar argument was advanced in 2000, pressuring Gore to concede the presidency to Bush, or risk a "constitutional crisis" – American code for "rip the country apart". He was told he couldn't win, that the people had spoken, that he should concede graciously and let the system work – the one the Republicans were busy rigging. So he conceded. That turned out well, didn't it?

Yes, the general election is different from the primaries. But far from being an especially protracted Democratic primary, this one is right on historical track. June is actually the magic month, in which the Democratic nomination was clinched in 1992 by Bill Clinton; in 1988 by Dukakis (Jesse Jackson didn't withdraw until June); in 1984 by Mondale (who didn't officially gain the nomination until the convention in July); in 1976 by Carter; and in 1972, the first year in which the present primary system operated, by McGovern. The only exception to the June rule was the 1980 election, in which Edward Kennedy fought on against Carter all the way until the convention in August. Only in the last two elections, in other words, has the Democratic nomination been a foregone conclusion this early in the primary process. And neither the results of 2000 or 2004 should send Democrats rushing to foreclose their options.

The other argument for Clinton's summary withdrawal is that using superdelegates would somehow be cheating, subverting the democratic process by asking party mandarins to overrule the popular vote and, while they're at it, refuse the first viable African-American candidate his legitimate shot at the White House. But no one seems to have any compunction about insisting that the first woman with a legitimate chance withdraw from the race. And yes, the superdelegates are a legitimate route: the US primaries are not mini-national elections, they are much closer to the UK system of electing a party leader, who then seeks the popular vote in a general election.

Meanwhile, that much-vaunted primary "popular vote" that Clinton has lost doesn't take account of the Democrats or independents in Michigan or Florida, both of which will be swing states in November; or that only 60,000 popular votes separate Clinton and Obama if Michigan and Florida are counted; or that the superdelegate rule was created precisely in order to decide primary races in which there was no clear popular mandate. It is by no means definitionally sexist to call for Clinton to resign, but given how gingerly everyone is approaching the question of Obama's (mixed) race, it seems worth letting the country prove the point.

But the most important reason to cease pressuring Clinton to quit is that the media and the blogosphere, delighting in their sportive shredding of Gore's electoral chances in 2000, helped pave the way for the disastrous US administration of the last eight years. If the media enjoyed dismantling Gore, their pursuit of Clinton has been blood-sport. Let's allow history, and democracy, to play out their course – and stop creating self-fulfilling prophecies.

The writer is a senior lecturer in American literature and culture at the University of East Anglia


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...here-hillary-its-too-soon-to-quit-822750.html

Hypothetical Question of the Day:

If Hillary were "John" - would the calls for "John" to leave the race be as loud?

It seems to me that they are piling on - because she's a "girl." And its acceptable to do that...... whereas "John" might be respected as a scrappy fighter.....


- still hoping for the dream ticket........

I'm not sure I totally agree. I'm not sure it's a conscious thing, but many are not ready for a woman to be POTUS. They see Hillary in a different light because she's not a man...

I don't know - I am kind of torn on that. Sexism is so prevalent that sometimes it is not even recognized. In the races of those mentioned in the above article - how many of them/their opponents were told to drop from the race? Ted Kennedy took his fight all the way to the convention - does anyone have any info on what was said to him during that race?
 
Yes, unless they are running as a "two for the price of one" thing. Or unless the wife is a total psycho or drug addict. But to pick apart every thing the spouse says and to pontificate about what she thinks and how much of what she thinks influences her husband is reaching for things to not vote for Obama for.

Oh for crying out loud. We're not picking apart every little thing about her. I named some good things about her in my post. And I'm not coming up with excuses not to vote for Obama. I'm just discussing his wife with my friends. Totally different thing. Did I ever say I wouldn't vote for him because of her? I'm saying she may be hurting his chances. :rolleyes: Sometimes I feel like you guys are just looking for something to jump down our throats about.

So much for uniting. I think it's going to be interesting to see if all the Democrats will be able to ever be on the same page. It's really sad that we can't discuss this like adults. (And when I say that I'm not meaning chobie, but all the OS and all the HS.)
 
Oh for crying out loud. We're not picking apart every little thing about her. I named some good things about her in my post. And I'm not coming up with excuses not to vote for Obama. I'm just discussing his wife with my friends. Totally different thing. Did I ever say I wouldn't vote for him because of her? I'm saying she may be hurting his chances. :rolleyes: Sometimes I feel like you guys are just looking for something to jump down our throats about.

So much for uniting. I think it's going to be interesting to see if all the Democrats will be able to ever be on the same page. It's really sad that we can't discuss this like adults. (And when I say that I'm not meaning chobie, but all the OS and all the HS.)

Well, for what its worth, we did call out the cons on the OS thread for posting the bad pictures of Hillary and repeating a "joke" about Hillary and Michelle being *****es. And the next time they reiterate their favorite Ann Coulterism about how women should not be allowed to vote, we'll call them out on that as well.
 
Rumor has it that she's throwing a big party this weekend, but I wasn't invited :confused3.

Me either, what's up with that. I guess you and I won't have to buy toasters to give to the bride. There's always an up side! :laughing:
 
While Laura Bush seems to have had little impact, that does not mean that Michelle Obama won't have major policy changing encounters and influences.

Remember that Ladybird Johnson was the driving force behind the highway beautification act and other environmental laws.

To say that a first lady (or first spouse) can not be a major influence to administration policies, and should not be considered part of the package, in todays world is unreasonable.


I was joking!

Hillary was a major part of the package in Bill's administration, too. That is where she is counting much of her experience.
 
I'm not Chobie but I'll respond. I won't say the spouse it totally irrelevant but after nearly eight years of Laura Bush as First Lady (and she was the First Lady of my state before that) I really can't recall anything she's done other than her current book tour. Maybe I've just tried to block all Bushes from my brain!:rotfl:

Same here :lmao: ...just have blocked them out all together. It's a shame but all I here when he, his wife or Chaney talk is blah blah blah....DH being the REP he is just says to me "Hay Robin your boyfriend is on TV" :rotfl2: I have never felt this way about any of our POTUS before..it is kind of a shame.



Yes, unless they are running as a "two for the price of one" thing. Or unless the wife is a total psycho or drug addict. But to pick apart every thing the spouse says and to pontificate about what she thinks and how much of what she thinks influences her husband is reaching for things to not vote for Obama for.


And for crying out loud, Hillary's spouse had sex in the oval office with an intern, but you don't hear any of OS using that as an excuse to dislike Hillary.

No not here.....did not like her before I did not care for Obama....no reaching here. She wont keep me from voting for him...he will :thumbsup2

and as for Bill...Well don't even have to go there:sad2: :scared: but he does not come across as an elitist, don't like America, going to a Rev Wright church for 20 years and racial undertones in his speeches. I hear more things out of her mouth that she is a angry person. Bitter if you may.

And as for the affair in the begging there was a lot going on in the liberal thead about Bill and his affair from who are know just OS. However ..just like the koolaid you no longer here that from us as we don't here about Bill..till know.....you are the one that brought it back up:thumbsup2
 
:confused3 My article I posted is from Ed Koch, posted from the Huffinton post.com

Nope, it was my article under attack. Unbeknownst to me it was from the conservatives.
It was still a good article.
But then I’m not one to believe that only stuff published on liberal media outlets/websites should be taken seriously and anything taken from the ‘other’side are outright lies and slander.


I doubt it. They file seperately.



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We get attacked for complaining about Obama supporters!
We get attacked for complaining about Obama
Now we get attacked for complaining about Michelle.

THIS IS THE HILLARY THREAD!!!!!!

I dont read YOUR Obama thread...BUT I WILL BET MY LAST DOLLAR THAT
1) Hillary supporters are complained about on it
2) Hillary is complained about on it
3) Bill is complained about on it

Throughout this Primary I have been called A Koolaid drinking Lying Racist by various DisBoards Obama supporters. ENOUGH of this crappolla!

We are all adults here, and we should behave as such!


We are talking about grown up people who CHOSE to go into public office, and if we do or dont like them for any reason...we have every right too.
I see no Hillary Supporters saying ANYTHING uncalled for here.

If you dont like something posted here, then fine, you have the right to voice your opinion, or even STOP reading here. Quite frankly IMO Obama Supporters are getting on my last nerve with your holier than tho hypocritical whiney attitudes and posts. Utterly childish nonsense!

And if anybody post anything negative about the 'almighty' Obama that is from a Conservative source...SO WHAT?

NEWSFLASH! In the real world Conservatives DO vote in General elections! And if you dont know what they are thinking, you are in for a HUGE WAKE UP CALL come November.

off the soapbox now!

What he said.

Stop being so logical.....this is a political thread. :upsidedow


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I have voted Republican since Gerald Ford. It has been appalling to watch how Hillary has been railroaded by the media and other members of her own party. My theory is they all know if she is elected she will run a tight ship, but if Obama wins he is weak and they will do whatever they want. It's been a long time since many of the Democrat underlings have been able to run things in DC and with Obama they can be in charge. If Hillary wins they know she will keep them in line. She has made me proud!
 
Yes, unless they are running as a "two for the price of one" thing. Or unless the wife is a total psycho or drug addict. But to pick apart every thing the spouse says and to pontificate about what she thinks and how much of what she thinks influences her husband is reaching for things to not vote for Obama for.

And for crying out loud, Hillary's spouse had sex in the oval office with an intern, but you don't hear any of OS using that as an excuse to dislike Hillary.
You're right. I don't recall any OS using Bill's "troubles" against Hillary. However I recall that when all of this started that some less politically inclined DISers did use this against her. I remember comments about how if she can't control her husband how can she control the country and that she's weak because she didn't leave him and so on.

Ridiculous stuff but I don't see it on the OS thread which is nice. :thumbsup2 (Particularly since I am still a major Bill fan in spite of everything.)

I am interested in spouses but only to a certain degree and it's a minor thing to me. I still haven't had the time to really look into Michelle Obama. :confused3
 
I have voted Republican since Gerald Ford. However, if Hillary wins I will vote for her. It has been appalling to watch how she has been railroaded by the media and other members of her own party. My theory is they all know if she is elected she will run a tight ship, but if Obama wins he is weak and they will do whatever they want. It's been a long time since many of the Democrat underlings have been able to run things in DC and with Obama they can be in charge. If Hillary wins they know she will keep them in line. She has made me proud!
Hello! I agree with much of what you said. I do think that Hillary has damaged herself a bit too though.
 
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