Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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They also gave Obama, the Edwards votes in FL!
What about the DNC "punishing" Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina. Those states also violated "THE RULES"

http://power-2-people.blogspot.com/2008/02/dnc-primary-rulesdisenfranchisement-of.html


THIS PRIMARY WAS FIXED FROM THE GET GO!:furious:

Thank you for this! I didn't know other states were in violation of the rules. Is anything being done about this? Any other news on this huge issue? I doubt it since they are Obama pushers.
SC, IA and NH should be punished also. Where's the justice in this? The DNC is pissing me off royally. Makes me want to jump ship and join the GOP this round.

I'm just not amused at all by what's been going on between the states, the DNC and the candidates. Just doesn't feel right to me...all of it.
 
Not an Obama fan but I think Edwards now backs Obama and that would be why the Edwards votes went to Obama.

Not exactly a good reason to go to the "dark side" is it?
 
The same can be said about the Mafia! If you are comfortable with that, then so be it!

I suggest you google "michelle obama tirade" and catch up on the GOP's October suprise!!!!!!

Why the GOP's October surprise? Why not Hillary's May surprise? :confused3

"Bobby Kennedy" was just speculation. This would be the real deal for Hillary.

Logic would dictate that if something like this existed, Hillary would've used it already. Or do you think she's above ............. "that"? :rolleyes1
 
If you ignore them they will go away!!!! :thumbsup2

I have learned to just quickly skim over their "hope in a jar" now days ;)

I have them on ignore and even skim the HS posts, so I don't read anything that's been quoted. I don't have them all on ignore, just those who come to harass.
 

Thank you for this! I didn't know other states were in violation of the rules. Is anything being done about this? Any other news on this huge issue? I doubt it since they are Obama pushers.
SC, IA and NH should be punished also. Where's the justice in this? The DNC is pissing me off royally. Makes me want to jump ship and join the GOP this round.

I'm just not amused at all by what's been going on between the states, the DNC and the candidates. Just doesn't feel right to me...all of it.

Harold Ickes, a Clinton supporter and mouthpiece yesterday, voted to strip Fl and MI of their delegates last year. Ask the Clinton camp why they didn't make a bigger stink ............. last year.

On Aug. 25, when the DNC's rules panel declared Florida's primary date out of order, it agreed by a near-unanimous majority to exceed the 50 percent penalty called for under party rules. Instead, the group stripped Florida of all 210 delegates to underscore its displeasure with Florida's defiance and to discourage other states from following suit. In doing so, the DNC essentially committed itself, for fairness' sake, to strip the similarly defiant Michigan of all 156 of its delegates three months later. Clinton held tremendous potential leverage over this decision, and not only because she was then widely judged the likely nominee. Of the committee's 30 members, a near-majority of 12 were Clinton supporters. All of them—most notably strategist Harold Ickes—voted for Florida's full disenfranchisement. (The only dissenting vote was cast by a Tallahassee, Fla., city commissioner who supported Obama.)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/22/0226/35614/632/520082

Why? Short answer ............ Clinton and her campaign didn't think it would matter on their road to the WH.
 
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ummmmm......I wonder what's the OS take on this? Particulary those who care so much about the rules being followed? Is it only wrong to change and break the rules when it favors Hillary, but right when it favors Obama?

And where's Obama's sense of decency, his ethics, when he accepts delegates he did not win?

The man hasnt a ounce of decency in him!

Thank you for this! I didn't know other states were in violation of the rules. Is anything being done about this? Any other news on this huge issue? I doubt it since they are Obama pushers.
SC, IA and NH should be punished also. Where's the justice in this? The DNC is pissing me off royally. Makes me want to jump ship and join the GOP this round.

I'm just not amused at all by what's been going on between the states, the DNC and the candidates. Just doesn't feel right to me...all of it.

They are doing something....swinging the primary to favor Obama!

Why the GOP's October surprise? Why not Hillary's May surprise? :confused3

"Bobby Kennedy" was just speculation. This would be the real deal for Hillary.

Logic would dictate that if something like this existed, Hillary would've used it already. Or do you think she's above ............. "that"? :rolleyes1


[edited] If you even want to entertain that ridiculous notion (that was twisted by OS)...lets bring up Obamas Churches dead Choir Leader!!!!!!

Geez!
 
So what about McCain seeking out Hagee's endorsement? How do you feel about that?

Honestly, I feel that comparing McCain/Hagee to Obama/Wright is comparing apples to oranges. I do not know a lot about McCain yet, nor do I know if I’m actually going to vote for him come November (I just know that my vote won’t be going to Obama).

I think McCain said it best with the difference between the two:

"I have said I do not believe Sen. Obama shares Rev. Wright's extreme views. But let me also be clear, Rev. Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual adviser, and I did not attend his church for 20 years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today," McCain said.

McCain rejected him immediately. Hagee isn’t McCain’s preacher. Hagee isn’t a friend. Hagee isn’t McCain’s “spiritual advisor”.

Obama didn’t want to reject Wright, who is his pastor, who is his friend, who is his “spiritual advisor” at all at first despite the fact that he did say that he didn’t share those views and that he’d never heard of those words from Wright before (which I believe to be a lie).

“I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe”.

Obama tried to make his pastor’s racist and anti-American ranting a non-issue and didn’t get really vocal about it until Rev. Wright began speaking out about how he meant every word and then Obama was forced to speak out against the Rev to help save his own political campaign.

Going on a slight tangent here but I came across this blogger’s post from April 29 and thought that it had some valid points:

Obama goes off on Rev. Wright
Update - 7:17 PM: I just got done watching both his opening statement and the answers he gave earlier today to the press about Rev. Wright’s speech to the NPC yesterday. I don’t want to overanalyze it, as most of what I’d write I’ve already said before, but it’s clear that Barack Obama’s relationship with Rev. Wright has changed - and what has caused it has been the national outcry over not just the sermon clips the news media repeatedly aired a few weeks ago, but the renewed interest in the story thanks to Rev. Wright’s “Look at Me 2008″ tour, where clearly Wright’s concern has not been about Barack Obama, but instead about how much free publicity he can get from the press.

In Obama’s statement and Q&A session, his biggest issue was the fact that the Rev. was hurting his campaign. That’s understandable, considering Wright has for all intents thrown Obama under the bus by continuing to stir the pot. Reading between the lines of what Obama said today, I got the impression that his deepest regret was that he couldn’t convince the Rev. to keep a low profile from now until the election. He even went so far as to assert that the man we heard yesterday at the NPC is not the man he met 20 years ago.
Horsecrap. This is about as believable as him stating when the sermon clips started getting widespread attention that he wasn’t in church on the days the controversial sermons were made. Obama also told the press today that one thing Wright was correct about was that he was never Obama’s spiritual mentor. WTH? Obama has highly praised Wright on more than one occasion (primarily before he became the front runner), and wrote a book and a popular speech which he pointed out more than once were inspired by his pastor. For him to try and claim now that Wright’s and his relationship wasn’t particularly close after all that is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who has paid attention to Obama in this race and who cares about a candidate’s trustworthiness and honesty.

It also sounds similar to the stunt he tried to pull at the much-discussed ABC News debate, where he tried to boil down his association with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers as insignificant, asserting that Ayers was just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood.” And someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t what he said today about the black church and how it’s not being represented by radicals like Rev. Wright a direct contradiction to what he said in his Philly speech? I’ll have to go back and read the transcript.
I could go on and on, but someday someone out there is going to compile a list - in book form - of all the contradictory statements Obama has made about his relationship with Rev. Wright.

The bottom line is that Obama thought his big speech on race in Philadelphia over a month ago was going to be the end of him having to answer for Rev. Wright, and he figured that the mediots - who had shielded him as much as they credibly could prior to that, would move on. They gladly would have, had it not been for the self-centered Rev. Wright’s latest round of “fiery” speeches and interviews, where he paints Obama as a politican who speaks out of both sides of his mouth, and continues to portray this great nation as full of nothing but white oppressors. Naturally, that is going make headlines.
Obama sounded upset today in his presser. He should have been, but more so with himself than Wright. Had he as forcefully denounced Rev Wright when this story first broke weeks ago as he did today, then maybe he wouldn’t be in the position he’s found himself in again as it relates to his “former” pastor. He couldn’t find a way to put a positive spin on Rev. Wright’s latest hateful remarks like he did the last time, couldn’t convince the Rev. to keep it on the down low at least until the election was over, so he was left with no choice but to come out swinging the second time around.
Obama made his own bed over Rev. Wright, and now he has to lay in it - or, as Steve Sailor pointedly notes, lie in it.

http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2008/04/29/obama-goes-off-on-rev-wright/

I also believe that the only reason Obama has now left Rev.Wrights church is because this is still an issue. I know many of the OS think that now that Obama has left Wright’s church it will become a ‘moot point’ and the focus can be on McCain/Hagee.

But, how can you compare a man who didn’t have a previous relationship or ties with a person but accepted an endorsement then immediately rejected the person upon finding out that’s person’s true colors to a man who has been friends with, has been a member of the man’s church for 20 years, has allowed to marry him to his wife and baptize his children, has looked to as his “spiritual mentor”, his “moral compass”, and didn’t immediately denounce the person until it was so blown up that politically he had to?
 
While driving in the car I had CNN on my Sirius. They were stating Clintons BIG win in PR, but yet again had to interupt cause Obama was giving yet another glorious speech somewhere!:mad:
 
Obama Acts Like Obama

True to form, Barack Obama’s explanation yesterday of his reasons for leaving Trinity Church are a model of double-talk. (And the remarkably passive media pack doesn’t make it very hard for him to avoid further scrutiny.) He has, he explained

“tremendous regard” for the church community, but said he could not live with a situation where everything said in the church, including comments by a guest pastor, “will be imputed to me, even if they conflict with my long-held, views, statements and principles.”

And he would have remained in a church for two decades where regularly people spoke out in ways which conflicted with his principles because . . . why, exactly? We don’t know. And no one in the press thought to ask.

But it gets worse. ABC reports:

He insisted that Trinity itself is not a church worth denouncing. “I’m not denouncing the church and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church, because it’s not a church worthy of denouncing, and so if they’ve seen caricatures of the church and except [sic] those caricatures despite my insistence that that’s not what the church is about, then there’s not much I can do about it.”

Yes, remember Obama does not do denouncing. There is nothing a Wright or Pfleger or Ayers can do which deserve condemnation. Unless, of course they visit the National Press Club and critique his sincerity.

And Obama concedes that:

[A]t the start of the campaign he never would have expected this much scrutiny to be put on his faith, “which we knew there was going to be some things that we didn’t see coming, this was one. You know I did not anticipate my fairly conventional Christian faith being subject to such challenge and such scrutiny. Initially with emails suggesting that I was a Muslim, later with you know the controversy that Trinity generated.”


http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/8911
 
Sad but true!:mad:

Me thinks its time for Dean to step down.

Nah, this is not just Dean anymore. I think the whole party has gone insane if they think Obama can win the general. All those SDs need to do their job and get the party an electable candidate.
 
WOW needed to look to see if I was in the OT???? I think they post more in here than in there thread....they sure love us dont they:rotfl2:


Cause its now obvious...the Democrat Primary has been fixed from the get go!
It was also brought up that there were 2 other states (that Obama won) that broke the rules an they had NO consequences.:furious:

:thumbsup2 that is a fact....and very clear now.

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That woman is so right!

I was never gonna vote for Obama...EVER! But now I am sure to vote for McCain. I may not like everything he stands for, but he is not a cheating Liar!

The DNC showed there true colors yesterday, and self IMPLODED!

I watched part of it while taking a break at DL...and the party wonders why more and more DEMS are changing to Independent.


If you wanted to read about Hillary Clinton, you only need to stay on the OS thread. There's so many hateful and vile slams against her over there - I'm sure that would be more to your liking. :thumbsup2

I think they are all lost and cant find the OT because they are all in here :rotfl2: I have no idea what they have to say dont read them...waist of good time and it's never pleasent anyway:lmao:

No, I'm not voting for Hilllary, I'm voting for McCain. The reason I posted here is because I truly do feel bad for the Hillary supporters, and I DO support them to be allowed to have their own opinions and a place they feel comfortable posting them, without constantly having OS coming here to ridicule and bash them. So, in essence, I'm supporting the Hillary supporters.

I like to read all three threads concerning the candidates to try to learn and hear opposing views, BUT, I have stayed away from the Obama thread recently because so much of what I read is nasty, mean-spirited, condescending, and I could go on and on. No matter what anyone says, the media has been one-sided in their support of Obama, have unfairly bashed Hillary, etc. You know in your heart that if one tenth of the negatives related to Obama, such as Trinity Church, Rezko, etc. were related to Hillary or McCain, they would no longer have a candidacy. It's creepy and scary the way there is this rush to push Obama to be POTUS. The more we find out, the scarier it is. Anyway, that's neither here, nor there, but the blindness, anger, and hatred shown by many of the OS reinforces in my mind another reason why I could never vote for him.

I read your posts and enjoyed them...I think Obama is doing a great Job of Unity...uniting the HS and the McCain supporters together :rotfl2:

JARNJ3 - happy to see you back :hug:

Welocme back you were missed :hug:

She has been treated with the same respect and fairness as Obama. They both have had the media make mountains out of mole hills. They both have been raked over the coals for comments that were not the best things to have said.

The only one getting a free pass in the media is YOUR guy.

OS are not ridiculing the HS by pointing out facts and opinions on how the two candidates are more similar than different.

This is the only one I read of the OS because I saw the first line....:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: This is so funny and so off target...

Why the GOP's October surprise? Why not Hillary's May surprise? :confused3

"Bobby Kennedy" was just speculation. This would be the real deal for Hillary.

Logic would dictate that if something like this existed, Hillary would've used it already. Or do you think she's above ............. "that"? :rolleyes1

LVDuke my Buddy my Friend...how the heck are ya:hug: I know you said you dont want Pizza but would love to take you for Starbucks...do you still drink coffee???? Lets get our families together soon for a BBQ...KKKK :thumbsup2 :love:
 
Clinton wins in Puerto Rico, CNN projects

Sen. Hillary Clinton will win Puerto Rico's Democratic primary by a wide margin, CNN projects, giving her the larger share of the territory's 55 delegates

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/01/puerto.rico/index.html

Obama has won only 2 primaries since the rev scandal broke!

Isn't something else that Bill, Hillary and Chelsea went all the way to PR for the very important win in a "commonwealth" and told those people your votes counts, but they clearly said that the results in caucus states (yes, authentic states, not just possessions) don't count?

Let's not be bitter. It's time to unite so we don't get 4 more years of bush.
 
Isn't something else that Bill, Hillary and Chelsea went all the way to PR for the very important win in a "commonwealth" and told those people your votes counts, but they clearly said that the results in caucus states (yes, authentic states, not just possessions) don't count?

Let's not be bitter. It's time to unite so we don't get 4 more years of bush.

Isn't it something else that you come here to bash our candidate and then tell us to unite? :confused3
 
What a GREAT win for Hillary today :thumbsup2

Sure, Puerto Rico really doesn't matter since they don't vote in the general, but it is always nice to see a BIG WIN! ;)

I guess Obama hasn't won over the Latino vote either
 
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