Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[jodifla]

I vote for my interests and for the interests of those I care about.

The Democratic party holds those ideals; the Republicans do not. Putting the Republicans in power is a sure ticket for less health care, an attack on women's well being and terrible economic policies for the middle class.

Democrats know a thing or two about national security as well. And since they live here with their families, they'll be equally as careful to protect all of us.

We're certainly not safer in the world now that the Shrub has used up and worn down our military and lessened us in the eyes of the world by our ugly power grab in Iraq.

 

["Got Disney"]

I refuse to watch any of the DNC tonight. I saw Hillary and Bill's speeches and that was all I was interested in.

Tonight I will watch ANYTHING but the love fest of Obama. I would rather watch the grass grow

I cant help myself I have to watch. I don't think he will say anything different than he has said all these months but I want to see his presentation of it. Just the thought of him putting himself on a pedestal turns me off. But I am still willing to give him his due.

I will also watch the REP convention. I want to see what they have to say different. I will put the fact that Bushy baby will be there but he has to be. So I will not hold that against McCain.

Has anyone seen the new McCain commercial with the HS that has changed to MCcain. It is a good commercial. Funny how so many OS say how dare we the HS even think of voting for McCain....yet...at the DNC they had speaker's that were REP that changed to Obama and they were cheering them on as if the were the next best thing to candy....can we say Double standard

 

[jrsmom]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27209986]Sorry cant see it happening. I was a Labor and delivery Nurse for 22 years and if that were to be done we would have riots in the streets and protests every where. You need to come up with another reason besides that not to vote for McCain and reason to vote for Obama.[/QUOTE]


It is unfortunate that there is a real risk of this. Health and Human services sec. Mike Leavitt has been working on getting rules changed to make it easier for insurance comapnies to refuse to pay for birth control. There is a real chance that he could get this to happen and soon since it is already in the works.

 

["Got Disney"]

It is unfortunate that there is a real risk of this. Health and Human services sec. Mike Leavitt has been working on getting rules changed to make it easier for insurance comapnies to refuse to pay for birth control. There is a real chance that he could get this to happen and soon since it is already in the works.

Wont happen. They would have so many Pregnancy's and back room abortions and deaths from it that they may talk about it but just wont happen. Do you realize how many woman are on BCP and other forms of BC.

Unless the GOV is willing to pay for all the children and the ones that would be put up for adoption and all medical care for these unwanted Pregnancy's...and dont forget all the protests from woman and men of all ages ..... dont see the GOV doing that.

They can talk about it till they are blue in the face...but the consequenses out way the savings. You also cant force your beliefs on the whole USA on what your religious beliefs are.....that is called dictatorship and also what we are dealing with the Terrorists and there crazy religious beliefs.

 

[DISUNC]

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1934685

 

[deelam]

But you will use fear OF Obama to vote for McCain.

Reeddi

If Obama doesn't win my trust, I'll vote for someone else. But I am trying to keep an open mind.

If I write down Obama's positives and negatives, the negatives win. Hillary & Bill convinced me to give him a second look, but the negatives are still ahead.

 

[jodifla]

If Obama doesn't win my trust, I'll vote for someone else. But I am trying to keep an open mind.

If I write down Obama's positives and negatives, the negatives win. Hillary & Bill convinced me to give him a second look, but the negatives are still ahead.

And what do you think of the two parties' platform positions?

Again, I don't want a national law against same-sex marriage. That's what Republicans want.

I don't want "abstinence only" being taught in the schools. That's what Republicans want.

And the list goes on and on.

With an Obama White House, Democrats come into power. The Republicans' abuse of power is stopped and curtailed.

With McCain in power, Karl Rove marches right back into control.

 

[deelam]

I'm also starting to wonder about Obama's flip flopping. How will he react when under pressure from radicals? What about dealings with the middle east & Russia, will he be too soft. My questions all go to Obama's character. But I am giving him a chance at redemption.

If tonight's speech is like some freaky worship/rock star event, I'll turn it off. His speech has to be at least as good as Hillary's for me to be impressed.

 

["Got Disney"]

And what do you think of the two parties' platform positions?

Again, I don't want a national law against same-sex marriage. That's what Republicans want.

I don't want "abstinence only" being taught in the schools. That's what Republicans want.

And the list goes on and on.

With an Obama White House, Democrats come into power. The Republicans' abuse of power is stopped and curtailed.

With McCain in power, Karl Rove marches right back into control.

You do realize that the DEMS have already took back Congress Jan 4, 2007 don't you? Rep don't have the Gavel anymore the DEMS do.

 

[Dolce27]

I don’t think that will pass. There are many of us – even people like me who are not for abortion (except for medical purposes) that would fight having contraceptives listed as abortion so that insurance claims can be refused. That is an irresponsibility on the government’s part. I have a problem with killing off a fetus that is formed, especially with as far advanced as the fetus usually is by the time the woman realizes she’s pregnant and tries to do something about it, but I believe it’s wrong to keep woman from being allowed to prevent a pregnancy at conception when she’s trying to be responsible and not get pregnant with an unwanted child.

But, if you really want to do something about this, write to your congressmen:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/contact_congres.htm

Then write the Secretary of HHS, and copy your Congressmen:

Secretary Mike Leavitt
Department of Health and Human Services
200 Independence Avenue, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20201


Also, if this is going to happen, I believe it to happen before Bush leaves office – I honestly don’t think it would happen under a McCain presidency. I know what McCain’s website says about his stance on abortion; however, after reading his statement with one of his votes on the issue back in ’99 I do believe that it to be his real belief on the topic.
That statement was that he doesn’t support abortion yet he understands that a reversal of Roe vs. Wade will just create blotched backroom abortions that will take young mothers lives and he doesn’t want that either. This is my current stance on the view also – I don’t like abortions (I think that people need to be more responsible about sex if they don’t want to be pregnant since sex is what you do to get pregnant) but I don’t want women dying either because a ban on abortion isn’t going to stop women that don’t want to get pregnant from having sex and trying to abort the baby.

I don’t know if McCain has honestly decided to take a harder stance on abortion for this election or if what’s on his website is just for the far right. My honest feeling is that his view from 1999 remains and if he were elected he’d leave Roe vs Wade as is.

 

["Got Disney"]

I'm also starting to wonder about Obama's flip flopping. How will he react when under pressure from radicals? What about dealings with the middle east & Russia, will he be too soft. My questions all go to Obama's character. But I am giving him a chance at redemption.

If tonight's speech is like some freaky worship/rock star event, I'll turn it off. His speech has to be at least as good as Hillary's for me to be impressed.

Just the fact that he says his plan is to cut back on all weapons to prove a point of peace that we are the ones that need to cut back first to the scares me.

All I can here is the other countries saying "Sure if you do it we will follow" than turning around and laughing in his face.It is a different kind of world. We have religious crazy people that want us dead.

They could care less what we do. They will do what they want when it comes to there religious belief's that any one that does not believe as the do are just infidels.

 

[KikiFan]

Or a person who stands up for YOUR rights. Seems clear to me.

Yeah cause Obama really stood up for my rights against the FISA bill didn't he?
Give me a break.

 

[Laura]

I have a problem with killing off a fetus that is formed, especially with as far advanced as the fetus usually is by the time the woman realizes she’s pregnant and tries to do something about it, but I believe it’s wrong to keep woman from being allowed to prevent a pregnancy at conception when she’s trying to be responsible and not get pregnant with an unwanted child.

The fetal stage begins in approximately week 9, and a pregnant woman generally misses her period in weeks 4-5 of pregnancy.

But, if you really want to do something about this, write to your congressmen:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/contact_congres.htm

Then write the Secretary of HHS, and copy your Congressmen:

Secretary Mike Leavitt
Department of Health and Human Services
200 Independence Avenue, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20201

Or I could vote Democrat.

Also, if this is going to happen, I believe it to happen before Bush leaves office – I honestly don’t think it would happen under a McCain presidency. I know what McCain’s website says about his stance on abortion; however, after reading his statement with one of his votes on the issue back in ’99 I do believe that it to be his real belief on the topic.
That statement was that he doesn’t support abortion yet he understands that a reversal of Roe vs. Wade will just create blotched backroom abortions that will take young mothers lives and he doesn’t want that either. This is my current stance on the view also – I don’t like abortions (I think that people need to be more responsible about sex if they don’t want to be pregnant since sex is what you do to get pregnant) but I don’t want women dying either because a ban on abortion isn’t going to stop women that don’t want to get pregnant from having sex and trying to abort the baby.

I don’t know if McCain has honestly decided to take a harder stance on abortion for this election or if what’s on his website is just for the far right. My honest feeling is that his view from 1999 remains and if he were elected he’d leave Roe vs Wade as is.

See McCain's views for yourself. He did contradict himself in 2000 and said he thinks Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
His website spells it out, for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

 

[jodifla]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27211350]You do realize that the DEMS have already took back Congress Jan 4, 2007 don't you? Rep don't have the Gavel anymore the DEMS do.[/QUOTE]

The Dems don't really have control of the Senate. That would take 60 votes.

 

[TeresaNJ]

Posted this on the Conservative Thread and thought perhaps some Hillary supporters might enjoy this!
Courtesy of Glenn Beck, "O'Hail The Messiah, Lord Obama". I love this!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU&feature=related

OBAMA ANTHEM LYRICS

All hail the messiah
Obama, Obama
The path to the new socialist motherland
Our savior, our savior
Obama, Obama
The leader more famous than Lindsay Lohan
Bow down and praise the one
Give him your money and your guns
Give us a country
That makes your wife proud
Lord Barry heal the bitter ones
White and Clinging to faith and to guns
Hope for the change of the hope of the change!

 

[jacksonsmom]

And what do you think of the two parties' platform positions?

Again, I don't want a national law against same-sex marriage. That's what Republicans want.

.

Are you REALLY reading where McCain & Obama stand on the issues, or just thinking because one is a Rep and one is a Dem you automatically know where they stand?

Here are both McCain and Obama's stand on gay marriage ---- pretty darn similar if you ask me. (Of course Obama flip flops so much its hard to know where he actually stand on the issues)

GAY MARRIAGE

McCain: Opposes constitutional amendment to ban it. Says same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and similar benefits.

Obama: Opposes constitutional amendment to ban it. Supports civil unions, says states should decide about marriage.

 

[deelam]

And what do you think of the two parties' platform positions?

Again, I don't want a national law against same-sex marriage. That's what Republicans want.

I don't want "abstinence only" being taught in the schools. That's what Republicans want.

And the list goes on and on.

With an Obama White House, Democrats come into power. The Republicans' abuse of power is stopped and curtailed.

With McCain in power, Karl Rove marches right back into control.

First, since I am not running for president, my personal views should not matter. But since you asked...

1. I do support gay marriage, but feel that "marriage' is a religous thing and should follow the rules of whatever church the people belong to. Civil unions are all that matter to me. I also have feelings about that straight people who never go to church, why marry in a church?

2. on sex ed, kids grow up to fast as it is.
My children go to catholic school. Girls not allowed makeup, or jewelry. Boys have only basic boy haircuts, no earings, etc... It really is life in the slower lane whether the kids want it or not. My DS12 had sex ed taught by a 62 year old Nun. I am fine with that. I make sure my kids are aware of all the diseases out there, like herpes, they should be scared of the way things are today. There is nothing wrong with knowing right from wrong and knowing guilt if they do wrong.
I see the kids who go to public school near my house, they are wild. They curse no matter what parent is nearby. They have no respect for anyone or themselves. These kids received condoms in 5th grade. Are they better off? My point is, it all starts with what you teach your kids in your home. And it's a roll of the dice on what they do when they are on their own.

And I could go on and on...

 

[Dolce27]

The fetal stage begins in approximately week 9, and a pregnant woman generally misses her period in weeks 4-5 of pregnancy.

That’s true, fetal stage doesn’t being until week 9. However, week 4 there is already three main brain sections; a heart with circulation well established, beginnings of a mouth and the first thin layer of skin formed. Week 5 there is a defining shape, the circulatory system is now functioning, facial features are forming, arms and legs are more formed, fingers are beginning to grow and all four chambers of the heart are present and a ultrasound would show a beating heart. Week 6 the nostrils are beginning to form, the heart has four separate chambers and the neural tube that connects the brain and the spinal cord will close.

That to me demonstrates true life. That’s why I don’t agree with abortion unless it’s a medical reason. It’s probably from the six weeks period on that a woman makes the decision to abort. However, I do realize that I’m on a primarily Dem thread and I do respect the decisions of those that I post with that are pro-choice, even if I don’t agree with them, and I don’t normally discuss this topic on here.

Or I could vote Democrat.

You could, but like I said – this could very well happen before Bush leaves office. Why not be proactive now? Worried that if you are than this won’t be a issue to use in your decision as to who to vote for in the election?

See McCain's views for yourself. He did contradict himself in 2000 and said he thinks Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
His website spells it out, for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

As I stated and addressed in my post: I know what McCain's website states. I still think that the hard core Dem’s are tying to make this into a bigger issue than it is. The Republican’s do the exact same – just opposite stance… my very Republican fiend stated, when I told her that I was voting for Hillary Clinton, that she’d have an abortion clinic on every street if she was elected. My friend honestly believed that abortion clinics would pop up like Star Bucks should Hillary have been elected President. Each party uses abortion as a fear tactic. I still don’t think pro-choice people have anything to fear from McCain on the abortion issue. I honestly think it will stay the same.

 

[chobie]

So, when it comes to Roe McCain is either lying or flip-flopping, or both. But, it's not about issues it's about character?

 

[jacksonsmom]

That to me demonstrates true life. That’s why I don’t agree with abortion unless it’s a medical reason. It’s probably from the six weeks period on that a woman makes the decision to abort. However, I do realize that I’m on a primarily Dem thread and I do respect the decisions of those that I post with that are pro-choice, even if I don’t agree with them, and I don’t normally discuss this topic on here.


As I stated and addressed in my post: I know what McCain's website states. I still think that the hard core Dem’s are tying to make this into a bigger issue than it is. The Republican’s do the exact same – just opposite stance… my very Republican fiend stated, when I told her that I was voting for Hillary Clinton, that she’d have an abortion clinic on every street if she was elected. My friend honestly believed that abortion clinics would pop up like Star Bucks should Hillary have been elected President. Each party uses abortion as a fear tactic. I still don’t think pro-choice people have anything to fear from McCain on the abortion issue. I honestly think it will stay the same

I agree with both things I bolded.
Even though I mostly side with Dems I do believe that life begins at conception and I do not support abortions, except in medical situations.

This is one issue the Dems or Reps, for that matter, will not "scare" me on the subject.

I agree with McCain as President the abortion rights in this country will stay the same!