Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[deelam]

Again the fear of overturning Roe Vs Wade is used to sway people Obama's way...

And who really knows for sure when life begins... Unless you are the man (or woman) upstairs, it's all oppinions.

 

[deelam]

Oh and on sticking to what we know, the Hillary thread on dis is ahead of Obama thread 3600 post to their 3155.

 

[Dolce27]

Again the fear of overturning Roe Vs Wade is used to sway people Obama's way...

And who really knows for sure when life begins... Unless you are the man (or woman) upstairs, it's all oppinions.

It's above Obama's pay grade to know.

(couldn't resist! )

Wait... didn't Chobie say something?... oh yes,

Yeah, maybe he did lie. However, as we’ve previously discussed, if the candidate that I felt would be the best in foreign policy and helping our sagging economy is out of the running, then I should vote for more specific issues that I was willing to overlook this election because I felt the economy and foreign policy were the more important issues for America as a whole right now. I'm ok with McCain on foreign policy. I'm with Obama on that issue. Economy? A little worried about McCain but he's admitted that he's not the best and will hire good people for that area. I wasn't ok with that with Hillary in the running but with her out of the picture - I perfer that stance over Obama. Obama? Honestly, there are a lot of holes in his plan - so I don't think he'll be any better about the economy and I don't think he'll be willing to admit that his plans not as good as he tells us they are.

I could go on and on about why I know Obama’s not the man to help this country – but I’ve already done that time and time again so I’m not going to repeat myself.

So, that leaves me with McCain.

But, yeah, if abortion is your #1 issue then vote for Obama and just hope that he sticks with leaving abortion alone because he’s already proven that he’ll swing the other way on votes if he feels that it will benefit him somehow.

 

[deelam]

I'm ok with McCain on foreign policy. I'm with Obama on that issue.

The way Obama has been flip flopping, I just don't know how he will hold up dealing with the crazies out there. I know McCain will be tough. And people will know not to mess with him because he might just launch a bomb at them.

 

[Dolce27]

Interesting article off the AP that paints McCain and Obama of being a lot more similar that most people think.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hh_nQ6NyStPi86fou5xaGJMm5CLAD92REOIO0

McBama agenda: Common ground between candidates

By CALVIN WOODWARD – 34 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — John McCain and Barack Obama share common ground on a surprising selection of issues where the age-old Republican-Democratic divide doesn't cut it anymore.
Both want the United States to join the campaign against global warming in earnest. Both want to cut taxes for the middle class.
No matter who wins, the moratorium on offshore drilling could well be relaxed, yet both presidential candidates also say no dice to letting oil companies into the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, after years of Republican efforts to open it to drilling.

As much as the candidates would be loathe to admit it, circumstance and the evolution of war policy have even diminished their differences over the course in Iraq.

Call it the McBama agenda, a limited but striking bipartisan convergence. It favors ending the ban on federal money for embryonic stem cell research and embodies only shades of difference over key questions about gay marriage.
To be sure, voters have a real choice to make on Election Day and the national party conventions are devoted to playing up the many differences. Parties, after all, need to be distinct to exist.

For starters, Obama has an ambitious — and expensive — plan to get the country close to universal health coverage and require insurance for children; McCain doesn't. McCain has experience in foreign affairs that Obama lacks. Obama would raise income taxes on wealthy Americans that McCain hopes to leave alone, while the Republican opposes abortion rights that the Democrat favors.

Obama's Senate voting record is largely liberal; McCain's, largely conservative with notable exceptions. And they can be expected to tilt the Supreme Court to their competing ideologies at any opportunity, as well as their many other judicial selections.

Even so, their policy intersections show how the debate has shifted on a variety of long-standing and contemporary issues. More than the usual post-primary drift to the center is at work here.

McCain's well-known tendency to wander from Republican orthodoxy on certain issues inevitably brings him closer to Obama here and there.
The realities of a struggling economy play a part, too. Both once opposed expanded offshore drilling but soaring energy costs have made that position hard to sustain, to a point where McCain supports relaxing the moratorium and Obama is conditionally open to that.

They both come at the war on terrorism with a hard line and the conviction that the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan must be reinforced.
McCain rhetorically promises to follow Osama bin Laden to "the gates of hell;" Obama specifically promises to follow him into Pakistan if necessary, breaching another sovereign nation if that's what it takes to run down high-value terrorist targets.

On Iraq, both men could be credited with prophecy and accused of shortsightedness, each in his own way.

The success of last year's troop escalation in containing the insurgency vindicated McCain's early and frequent call for reinforcements, and Obama has dropped his argument that it was failing.

That very success, if it holds, in turn enhances prospects that Obama as president could carry out his plan to withdraw from Iraq methodically over 16 months. McCain has repeatedly criticized Obama's timetable but now even the Bush administration is taking steps in that direction.

On other issues:

_Both say gay marriage should be left to the states and oppose a constitutional amendment to ban it. President Bush, in contrast, proposed such a ban but did not push for one. McCain has obliquely endorsed at least some of the rights inherent in gay civil unions while Obama has expressed strong support for those rights. Both say they oppose gay marriage.

_Both oppose a constitutional amendment to ban abortion. Otherwise, they diverge on abortion rights.

_The argument that manmade global warming is a concoction was pushed farther toward the fringes with McCain's nomination.

McCain has been among the strongest voices in Congress for aggressive action. Unlike several of his GOP primary rivals and Bush, he supports mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, and Obama joined him in the Senate in an effort to achieve that goal.

They are both advocating a cap and trade system that would force companies that cannot meet targets to pay for the right to pollute, all under tightening national emission requirements. Obama favors cutting carbon dioxide emissions 80 percent by 2050; McCain, 60 percent by then.
Both also support tougher fuel efficiency standards.

 

[lilbrooks]

go hilary!

 

["Got Disney"]

So, when it comes to Roe McCain is either lying or flip-flopping, or both. But, it's not about issues it's about character?

What is it with the OS that seem to think Obama does not flip flop like all the rest of the politicians....O I forgot he is not like them....he is above them.

 

["Got Disney"]

The Dems don't really have control of the Senate. That would take 60 votes.

Maybe you need to read this than......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16464157/

Democrats take control as Congress returns
New party in power plans quick action on minimum wage, stem cells


Video: NANCY PELOSI MAKES HISTORY
TODAY


WASHINGTON - The 110th Congress convened Thursday with Democrats in control of both the House and Senate for the first time in a dozen years.

"Today we make history. Today we change the direction of our country," exulted Rep. Nancy Pelosi, as she prepared to become the first woman Speaker of the House in history.

Both Democrats and Republicans alike pledged cooperation despite years of bitter partisanship and gridlock, to try to get the 110th Congress off on a productive note.

See more on the link above

 

[Par8hed]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27216867]Maybe you need to read this than......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16464157/

Democrats take control as Congress returns
New party in power plans quick action on minimum wage, stem cells


Video: NANCY PELOSI MAKES HISTORY
TODAY


WASHINGTON - The 110th Congress convened Thursday with Democrats in control of both the House and Senate for the first time in a dozen years.

"Today we make history. Today we change the direction of our country," exulted Rep. Nancy Pelosi, as she prepared to become the first woman Speaker of the House in history.

Both Democrats and Republicans alike pledged cooperation despite years of bitter partisanship and gridlock, to try to get the 110th Congress off on a productive note.

See more on the link above[/QUOTE]

Yup...but that articles crap. You need the 2/3 majority to have any real power and the Dems to not have that at this time.

 

[DISUNC]

Again the fear of overturning Roe Vs Wade is used to sway people Obama's way...

And who really knows for sure when life begins... Unless you are the man (or woman) upstairs, it's all oppinions.

However on the "Christianity" note...All true Christians believe that life begins at conception. Hense alllllllllllllllll the problems over the years on this subject.
Not only did Obama give a stupid (and elitist) answer to this question, it also raised the bar for those who doubt his religion.

Oh and on sticking to what we know, the Hillary thread on dis is ahead of Obama thread 3600 post to their 3155.

or do we have the most hot air?
(no need for OS'ers to answer that!)

 

[Dolce27]

However on the "Christianity" note...All true Christians believe that life begins at conception. Hense alllllllllllllllll the problems over the years on this subject.
Not only did Obama give a stupid (and elitist) answer to this question, it also raised the bar for those who doubt his religion.





or do we have the most hot air?
(no need for OS'ers to answer that!)

Should we vote for what the new thread will be as we are beginning to approach the 250 page limit? I would like to keep a thread open for our group throughout the election but as Hillary is out of the presidential race do we need to modify our name? Then again, since we are still Hillary supporters regardless of who we vote for come November maybe the same name is fine..

 

[Par8hed]

However on the "Christianity" note...All true Christians believe that life begins at conception. Hense alllllllllllllllll the problems over the years on this subject.
Not only did Obama give a stupid (and elitist) answer to this question, it also raised the bar for those who do

As someone who went to Catholic school for 12 years I know that many, many congregants believe in a womans right to choose and have in fact used that option.

Some of us even practice birth control...another no-no.

I know of priests who have had vasectomies......that's right.



ETA; If you want to call Obama an elitist thats fine. But where does he fall on the chart with the Clintons and the McCains??

Rudy Guiliani supports abortion, has been divorced and recieves Communion.

And I myself have been known to eat a steak on a Friday during lent.

 

["Got Disney"]

Should we vote for what the new thread will be as we are beginning to approach the 250 page limit? I would like to keep a thread open for our group throughout the election but as Hillary is out of the presidential race do we need to modify our name? Then again, since we are still Hillary supporters regardless of who we vote for come November maybe the same name is fine..

That's a tough one. So many posters know us by this thread and if we change it they may not know where we are. I say leave it as it is....I can or whoever makes the new thread can change it or add to to as we go along.

Maybe like ....Hillary supporters unit #3 however branching in different directions....

Something to add at the end like that. To explain...

 

[DISUNC]

As someone who went to Catholic school for 12 years I know that many, many congregants believe in a womans right to choose and have in fact used that option.

Some of us even practice birth control...another no-no.

I know of priests who have had vasectomies......that's right.



ETA; If you want to call Obama an elitist thats fine. But where does he fall on the chart with the Clintons and the McCains??

Rudy Guiliani supports abortion, has been divorced and recieves Communion.

And I myself have been known to eat a steak on a Friday during lent.

You are talking to a former Altar boy here. also with 12 years of Catholic school.

What people really do & what peoples religion dictates will always be a conudrum.

The Clintons, McCains & even Guliani have never brought their religion into their political campaigns.

The Kennedy's ALWAYS have.

Obama also has brought his religion into this campaign...and has made it a prominent feature of his campaign (for both good & bad). Also his religion has been questioned througout his campaign (rightly or wrongly).
His answer in regards to abortion does not reflect any christian philosophy.

Obama should've taken a page from the Kerry handbook on this issue.

And as far as eating steak on Friday during lent....Whoooooooooooooo You are in serious trouble!!!!!

But Priest with vasectomies!!!!!!!! How did that happen? Because that is a BIG NO NO!!!!

 

[DISUNC]

Should we vote for what the new thread will be as we are beginning to approach the 250 page limit? I would like to keep a thread open for our group throughout the election but as Hillary is out of the presidential race do we need to modify our name? Then again, since we are still Hillary supporters regardless of who we vote for come November maybe the same name is fine..

OHHHHHHHHHH I have New TITLE ideas but the Disboards wont allow them!!!!

 

["Got Disney"]

OHHHHHHHHHH I have New TITLE ideas but the Disboards wont allow them!!!!

Behave DISUNC...behave

 

["Got Disney"]

Watching this DNC and I feel like I am watching a concert for world peace fundraising...you know like the bands do for a good cause. except this one keeps having Barach Obama thrown in all the songs.

Sorry but it is hard to take it all seriously. Wonder how many are smoking that funny stuff ...only kidding...I know they don't need to because they are all high on Obama.

I can't wait to see what Obama has to say. I figure in 18 months he has not told me anything different...same old same old. I am hoping that he has listened to everyone and starts doing what he should instead of just working thew crowd.

 

[deelam]

The Clintons, McCains & even Guliani have never brought their religion into their political campaigns.

The Kennedy's ALWAYS have.

Obama also has brought his religion into this campaign...and has made it a prominent feature of his campaign (for both good & bad). Also his religion has been questioned througout his campaign (rightly or wrongly).
His answer in regards to abortion does not reflect any christian philosophy.

The thing about the Kennedy's is while they were practicing Catholics, they were immoral in many ways. As they say, go to church on Sunday sin on Monday. Remember Chapoquittick, JFK's affairs andTeddy's boozing and running around just to name a few.

I really don't think Obama is as religous as he would like people to believe. How could he be and still support partial birth abortions? Just look up Jill Stanek and her battle with Obama.

On the new thread, since this is thread #2, why not just make it thread #3.

 

["Got Disney"]

Wonder how the OS will take it if Obama looses.....we were upset but life went on. So many OS are so Obamaized that that many may go into a state of depression They will be overly overly sad

 

[DISUNC]

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