Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[punkin]

UMMMMMMMMM I am thinkin The LIME Party!

If I own a pair of lime crocs, do I get to be a part of it?

 

[DISUNC]

If I own a pair of lime crocs, do I get to be a part of it?

Even if you dont own LIME Crocs...You're IN!

 

[Planogirl]

So many interesting things happen while I'm at work! It looked like it was good to talk at least a little bit though.

I'm with many of you. I will also continue to support Hillary until SHE decides to drop out and actually I will support her beyond that. I really admire her and I hope that she isn't done with trying to get her ideas through.

I agree that getting the Republicans out of the White House is of major importance too though. We'll just have to see what happens next.

 

[DISUNC]

I thought this may lift some spirits around here:

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To: Interested Parties
From: The Clinton Campaign
Date: May 6, 2008
RE: Tie-Breaker

In April, Barack Obama called Indiana a `tie-breaker' for the Democratic nominating process: "You know, Sen. Clinton is more favored in Pennsylvania and I'm right now a little more favored in North Carolina, so Indiana right now may end up being the tiebreaker. So we want to work very hard in Indiana ."

At the time, Senator Obama's comments seemed to be part of an elaborate plan to lower expectations for the Indiana contest. After all, roughly 20% of Indiana Democratic primary voters have been exposed to Senator Obama for years because they live within the Chicago media market. He's never lost a state that borders his home-state of Illinois .

The fact that Indiana was an open primary - Republicans and independents can vote in the Democratic contest - also augured well for Senator Obama. He has regularly argued that he should be nominated because he "appeal to Republicans and Independents in a way that none of the other nominees can."

Throw in the fact that Senator Obama outspent the Clinton campaign by a 2 to 1 margin on Indiana television and Indiana seems to be more of a lean-Obama state than a toss-up.
So Hillary's victory in Indiana - fought out against the backdrop of an ailing economy - is all the more incredible. We started out behind in both the public and internal polls.

For example, our March 13 poll showed Hillary trailing by 8 points, while our latest poll gave Hillary a 5 point lead.

We saw Hillary Clinton's margin flip from -19 points among men in Indiana back in March to +1 among men in our final poll. Among women, Hillary's margin increased from +1 in March to +8 now.

Similarly, in mid-February, the Howey-Gauge poll had Barack Obama 15 points ahead of Hillary Clinton (Feb 16-17: Obama 40 / HRC 25). By April 23-24, Hillary had narrowed the gap to only 2 points in the same poll (Obama 47 / HRC 45). The late momentum was critical - according to the exit poll, Hillary won by 18 points among those who made their decision in the last three days.

Hillary won by appealing to voters in almost every key demographic group. According to the exit poll, Hillary won among men and among women, in northern, central and southern parts of the state, among those who earn more than $50,000 per year and those who earn less, union voters and non-union voters, suburban and rural voters, churchgoers, gun-owners, and those who have not graduated from college.

Hillary also won among those who say the economy is the most important issue, those who are affected by the recession, those who say health care is most important, electability and experience voters. Hillary also led Obama on commander-in-chief.

What drove Hillary's strong support - especially among downscale voters, suburban and rural voters, churchgoers, gun-owners and those who are affected by the recession?

- Gas tax summer holiday - making oil companies pay the gas tax instead of American families through a tax on oil company windfall profits

- Tough stance on NAFTA and other trade issues

- The only candidate - Democrat or Republican - with a health care plan that covers every American

- Support for cutting middle-class taxes


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She seems far from even thinking of giving up, and I'm with her until the end!

 

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Jacksonsmom:

I agree with you and said that on the Obama thread earlier. I think she has fought hard and done very well and she needs to wait until she is ready to drop out or not drop out and wait until the convention where it is decided. If the tables were turned I would be pissed off if people were telling Obama to drop out. Would I like to see her drop out to make it easier for Obama to win the general? Of course, but I still don't think that should that she be pushed out by the OS.

Someone brought up a good point today on CNN....

Why should she give up? Cause the odds are against her? Been there done that!
Obama STILL dont have the Delagates he needs either.

Please Stand By, It may not look good...BUT IT AINT OVER....we have to wait to see if the SD's do what they are suppose to do....Vote for who they think will WIN in Nov. We have to wait till someone gets that 2025!

If they think Obama, then so be it....But until then....Carry On Hillaryites.

 

[JARNJ3]

You guys were certainly busy today!

Here's something nice to read.

Hillary Picks Up Another Super-Del
By Eric Kleefeld - May 7, 2008, 5:19PM

Hillary Clinton has reportedly picked up another super-delegate today, even as she works to dispel the idea that she should drop out.

Rep. Brad Ellsworth (D-IN) is now backing Hillary, on the grounds that she carried his district in the primary. He joins Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC), who also announced earlier today that he's supporting Hillary because she carried his district.

Today's score so far: Obama +4, Hillary +1. (Clinton lost a super-delegate in a defection to Obama.)

The overall super-del score: Hillary 273.5, Obama 260.

 

[JARNJ3]

Hypothetical Question of the Day:

If Hillary were "John" - would the calls for "John" to leave the race be as loud?

It seems to me that they are piling on - because she's a "girl." And its acceptable to do that...... whereas "John" might be respected as a scrappy fighter.....


- still hoping for the dream ticket........

 

[punkin]

Hypothetical Question of the Day:

If Hillary were "John" - would the calls for "John" to leave the race be as loud?

It seems to me that they are piling on - because she's a "girl." And its acceptable to do that...... whereas "Jim" might be respected as a scrappy fighter.....


- still hoping for the dream ticket........

Yes, sexism abounds in this election.

 

[pixie dust 112]

Taking a study break and wanted to comment on this. I agree!
I am pretty certain I will vote for Obama if he becomes the nom. Hillary is still in the race as of today, so we still want to support our candidate. Things do seem a little bleak, hence my post previous about feeling blue, but she's really still in this thing and I would love to ride the rest out behind her. I'm sure the OS would do the same if the tables were turned.

Some of you even mentioned not voting for Hillary at all even if the #'s were on her side. I don't understand how some of you can't grasp it being the other way around.

IF Senator Clinton decides she wants to drop out or things don't go her way at the convention, then I agree that we'll need time to heal as HCS. We'll need to cry in our cocktails. together as a group. Then maybe we'll see things differently and from a fresh perspective. Well...maybe not the morning after the cocktails.

Also accept that there's some that won't vote or change their minds and that's o.k. too. Just be kind. You'll get more with honey than with vinegar.

See we'll have cocktails and thongs! We're the fun group!

A previous poster wrote something about health care and neding Hillary's plan. I totally agree with this. My family is very fortunate to have good health care. DH works for a hospital and we pay into a family health care plan. I think we only pay a few hundred a month. Over the past month, my family has what I would consider some overall minor medical issues to deal with. A trip to the ER for what our pediatrician suspected might be appendicitis (luckily it wasn't), surgery for a knee injury and some other run of the mill strep throat etc. trips to the doctor as well as immunizations for my 3 DDs. We've paid out a few hundred in co-pays, but luckily insurance has covered the rest. Don't know how much our total is yet, but it is well into the thousands. Without insurance I don't know what we would have done. My DDs probably would not have gotten the immunizations (they are suggested immunizations, rather than mandatory) we would have used a second rate surgeon, instead of the top notch surgeon who is part of our plan. We have 8 weeks of physical therapy to go. 2x a week. The copay is $40.00 a trip. I don't even know what it costs without insurance. Health insurance to me is a major issue in this campaign.

I was fortunate enough to have been to 2 gatherings where Hillary Clinton was the keynote speaker. One a luncheon with a few hundred people and another a gathering at a Veterans of Foreign Wars Post with about 100 people. What an impressive person this woman Senator Clinton is. There was a lot of Hillary bashing going on here in NY when she first ran for Senator. Even many republicans around my region have changed their tune an admitted she has been good for NY. I think that, unfortunately, this is probably the end for her in this particular presidential bid, but as long as she's in the fight I will continue to support her. She has been an idol of mine since she became first lady. DH (a mostly republican supporter) laughs and says listening to Sen. Clinton is like listening to me for these past 30 years. He jokes that I write her notes for her. I wish I was that intelligent! I will have to arefully consider who I vote for this Nov. If Sen. Obama gets the nomination, I will very likely vote for him. I agree with his position on some things...including the gas tax (one of my first disagreements with Sen. Clinton).

I do not think that Obama/Clinton would be the best ticket. I wouldn't mind seeing Obama/Edwards. Besides if Sen. CLinton isn't my president, I'm selfish I want her to continue to represent my state in the Senate. I think se can do more good as a senator than as the Vice President.

 

[pixie dust 112]

Someone brought up a good point today on CNN....

Why should she give up? Cause the odds are against her? Been there done that!Obama STILL dont have the Delagates he needs either.

Please Stand By, It may not look good...BUT IT AINT OVER....we have to wait to see if the SD's do what they are suppose to do....Vote for who they think will WIN in Nov. We have to wait till someone gets that 2025!

If they think Obama, then so be it....But until then....Carry On Hillaryites.

Good point DU! They said she wouldn't get the nomination for senate when she and Pres. Clinton moved to NY. Odds were against her here too!

 

[pixie dust 112]

If we end up having to form the LIME party, do DU and I get to be superdelegates because of our lime green tresses? Imean we wre trendsetters for the party!

 

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If we end up having to form the LIME party, do DU and I get to be superdelegates because of our lime green tresses? Imean we wre trendsetters for the party!

Very Good Point!

 

[DISUNC]

Yes, sexism abounds in this election.

Hmmmmmmmmm McCain has the delegates & Ron Paul is Still in the race...and trailing faaaaaaaaaar behind.
I dont hear anybody crying for his ouster!

 

[Dolce27]

Hmmmmmmmmm McCain has the delegates & Ron Paul is Still in the race...and trailing faaaaaaaaaar behind.
I dont hear anybody crying for his ouster!

Yeah, because he’s not any competition against McCain…people just shake their heads and go on. Hillary, on the other hand, is serious competition for Obama and until she goes away, the OS have to stress that she will somehow pull the nom off and they aren't liking that much at all.

 

[Planogirl]

Hmmmmmmmmm McCain has the delegates & Ron Paul is Still in the race...and trailing faaaaaaaaaar behind.
I dont hear anybody crying for his ouster!

Good point. He is persistent isn't he?

I like you lime green people. That's it, lime green hair, thongs and drinks for everyone!

 

["Got Disney"]

Very Good Point!

I cant remember what I was going to say geesh

 

[punkin]

Good point. He is persistent isn't he?

I like you lime green people. That's it, lime green hair, thongs and drinks for everyone!

Lime Rickey?

 

[JARNJ3]

I see shades of Teresa Kerry here.......

http://thehill.com/byron-york/michelle-obamas-tales-of-woe-2008-05-07.html

Michelle Obama’s tales of woe
By Byron York
Posted: 05/07/08 06:39 PM [ET]

I took in the Michelle Obama Show this week in Charlotte, N.C.

The wife of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was in town for an election-eve get-out-the-vote rally, to make sure that Obama voters were fired up and ready to go for Tuesday’s primary.

Usually, such events are rah-rah, go-team affairs. But Mrs. Obama’s appearance was a little different.

It was an hour-long tale of resentment and anger.

First, she complained at great length that her husband had been treated unfairly in the Democratic presidential race. Every time he made a move forward, she said, “they” — she never spelled out exactly who “they” were — moved the goalposts a bit farther away from him.

First, “they” said he couldn’t raise the money necessary to run a big-league campaign.

But “once he proved that he could raise the money, then all of a sudden money didn’t matter,” Mrs. Obama told the crowd. “Everybody said, ‘Well, money isn’t important.’ ”

Then “they” said the test for Obama would be whether he could build a political organization. But “once it was built, they said it’s not an organization — the stakes changed again.”

Next, “they” said Obama had to win Iowa. But “once he won Iowa, then all of a sudden Iowa was no longer important.”

“They” had moved the bar again. This time, Obama had to win a primary state.

“Then we rolled into South Carolina,” Mrs. Obama said. “Then you know what they said? They said South Carolina didn’t count, because Barack was supposed to win.”

Then came Super Tuesday, and after that Obama’s stretch of victories in a series of primary and caucus states.

Still, Mrs. Obama complained, “they” tried to undermine her husband every step of the way.

“We’ve learned that we’re still living in a time and in a nation where the bar is set, right?” she said.

“They tell you all you need to do is do these things and you’ll get to the bar, so you go about the business of doing those things.

“You start working hard and sacrificing, and you think you’re getting closer to the bar, you’re working and you’re struggling, you get right to that bar, you’re reaching out for the bar, and then what happens?

“They raise the bar. Raise the bar. Shift it to the side. Keep it just out of reach.

“And that’s just what’s been happening in this race.”

All the while, the crowd cheered as Mrs. Obama listed one supposed injustice after another.

Now, it should be noted that her husband was, at that moment, on the verge of a blowout victory in North Carolina, one that would spur new calls for his opponent to drop out of the race.

So you might have thought Michelle Obama would be a pretty happy camper.

Instead, you got the sense that she was angry that the Democratic Party did not, at some early point in the race, simply award her husband the nomination by acclamation.

Instead, he had to face an opponent who — get this — really wanted to win it for herself.

Mrs. Obama had lots of other complaints, too.

She’s irritated at those people who have suggested that she and Sen. Obama are elitists.

And she appears to be still outraged — at this late date — by the fact that she had to take out loans to attend Princeton and Harvard Law School.

It took her years to pay them back, something she has kvetched about in numerous public appearances.

Imagine that! First she had to borrow money to go to some of the world’s most selective and expensive schools — schools whose graduates usually do pretty well in the world — and then they made her pay it back.

There “they” go again.

If you’re wondering how that negative message went across in Charlotte, the answer is, it went over very well.

This was as pro-Obama a crowd as you could find in a decidedly pro-Obama state.

So look for Mrs. Obama to continue sending out her message of dissatisfaction and resentment.

She appears to have begun the presidential race in an angry mood, and, despite her husband’s extraordinary success, it looks like she’ll finish it angry, too.

York is a White House correspondent for National Review. His column appears in The Hill each week. E-mail: byork@thehill.comThis email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it

 

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I see shades of Teresa Kerry here.......

http://thehill.com/byron-york/michelle-obamas-tales-of-woe-2008-05-07.html

It's not easy being Michelle!!!!!

We all know how hard it is to get on a Private plane, paid for by your spouses supporters, stay at hotels...paid for by your spouses supporters, eat food paid for by your spouses supporters and have unquestioned adoration given to us.

No wonder she is peeved!

 

[kinntj]

It's not easy being Michelle!!!!!

We all know how hard it is to get on a Private plane, paid for by your spouses supporters, stay at hotels...paid for by your spouses supporters, eat food paid for by your spouses supporters and have unquestioned adoration given to us.

No wonder she is peeved!

I agree. She's a negative person. She reminds me of an ex friend who kept sucking the life energy of those around her. Everything was drama and poor her. Michelle is the exact same way. Positive life force sucker. Her husband seems opposite, or is it just my observations. I guess opposites attract.