Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

[JARNJ3]

I haven't had MSNBC for almost a year because we switched to Verizon FiOS - and I am thankful. I don't think I'll be watching them any time soon either (if it ever gets added).

From a blog on Huffington Post

As Hillary Clinton spoke, my son, Nick, who is 16, came into the living room, saw what I was watching and asked if Clinton had officially announced her withdrawal. I nodded, unable to speak, and he noticed for the first time that there were tears on my cheeks.

"Are you OK?" he asked. I nodded. "You're that upset about this?"

"Yes," I finally said. "I've always thought she would make a better president, even though I won't have any problem voting for Obama."

A few minutes later my sadness turned to rage when Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews started spinning the speech. Their first words were concerned with the number of minutes Clinton spent "patting herself on the back" before mentioning Obama, and whether her endorsement would be perceived as strong enough to send her supporters into the Obama camp.

So here's what I'm thinking: Could someone please put a choke-hold on these guys?

Tim Russert, who'd been put on hold as these two bloviated, at least had the sense of moment to note how impressive Clinton had been, how she had masterfully denied the McCain camp any possible chance to paint her endorsement as tepid. Olbermann and Matthews quickly fell in step, but the damage had been done.

In defeat Hillary exuded a grace many of us wish she'd shown throughout the campaign, to be sure. But she also used the opportunity to restate what those of us -- unashamed feminists from the old school, I guess -- had found so significant about her run: acknowledging that women still lag behind men, whatever their color, when it comes to opportunity, pay equity, and, maybe most important of all, respect.

She said this without ignoring any of the other goals - universal health care, ending the war on Iraq, restoring the economy - that needed to be raised in urging her supporters to suspend their own disappointment at least for the moment in order to direct their energies to the most important task at hand, which is, of course, putting Obama in the White House.

It was a great speech, and a heroic one.

So why couldn't NBC also step up to the plate and find a single woman to add to the commentary? Why couldn't the trio of New York Times writers covering the speech - Adam Nagourney, Jeff Zeleny and Jim Rutenberg - have been augmented by a single woman reporter?

The campaign so far has taught most of us to glaze over when the commentators come on, rehashing the same crap, slinging the same garbage, adding nothing to the debate. But this one really beat all.

You needn't be a feminist to feel the awful wound, the deflating, business-as-usual aspect to Hillary Clinton's withdrawal from contention for the Democratic presidential nomination. You want to feel deflation? Just listen to the menfolk.


Jeremy Gerard is an editor and critic for Bloomberg Muse, the cultural news division of Bloomberg News. A reporter, columnist and editor specializing in culture and politics for over 30 years, he covered theater and television for the New York Times from 1986 until 1991, when he became the New York Editor and chief theater critic for Variety. For nearly a decade he was a features editor and cultural affairs columnist at New York magazine, and he’s written for many magazines and newspapers around the world. A New York native, Gerard lives in Manhattan with his wife, Vanity Fair writer and Feminine Mistake author Leslie Bennetts, and their two children.

 

[Planogirl]

MSNBC is a sorry excuse for a news network and I have never gotten the worship of Olbermann. It's no wonder that some HS are so angry if you listen to some of these nutcases.

 

[robinb]

Wow. What a great speech and certainly worth waiting for:

The changes we're working for are changes that we can only accomplish together. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are rights that belong to us as individuals. But our lives, our freedom, our happiness are best enjoyed, best protected, and best advanced when we do work together.


That is what we will do now, as we join forces with Senator Obama and his campaign. We will make history together, as we write the next chapter in America's story. We will stand united for the values we hold dear, for the vision of progress we share, and for the country we love.


There is nothing more American than that.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Nah, I was not answering your questions with questions.
I want you to be fair and honest to yourself and to the HS here. What I mean is this. Whenever I mess up. I can't go off and make fun and ridicule the person who was in my way. I have to be reflective and understand things did not go the way they should have.

I am not going to hate Obama because he won. I think her campaign messed up. They did not predict what would happen and they lost. So therefore I say to myself that smeering someone like Sean Hannity does on his talk show is not going to make the situation change.

As for the Blacks- you are in New York aren't you?
Rangel, Rev. Calvin Butts at Abyssinian Baptist Church all supported her. She had many more powerful ones in that situation including: Maxine Waters, and Johnson CEO of BET. (1)What happened was that when Bill decided to open his big mouth and compare Obama's win in SC to Jessie Jackson's. Let's reflect on this now let's not talk about what someone else did. I want to see us take responsibility for Bill.The preliminary election polls numbers dropped significiantly for the number of blacks who were going to vote for Clinton.

The Clintons had it in the bag with black America: Bill had his office in Harlem. His "best" friend, Vernon Jordan was black. Blacks considered him "America's first Black president." People like Rev. Al Sharpton were saying Obama was "not black enough."
My point here is that (2) when Clinton started using vocabulary like "boy," and making remarks about Obama he crossed the line according to the media and they ran with Clinton's words.

(1)This still chaps my hide – this is the exact quote:
“Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice in '84 and '88. And he ran a good campaign, and Senator Obama's run a good campaign here. He's run a good campaign everywhere.” After all the talk about Obama’s “historical run for the presidency” who the heck was he supposed to compare him to? And did he slam or talk down either Jackson or Obama – no! He said they were both good campaigns. There was quite a bit of assumption and conjecture that took this statement from being what it was into the supposed racist comment that it became. Holy cripes – reading IS a good thing but loses a lot without simple comprehension.

(2) Please provide quote and link for this. I spent some time on google looking for a Clinton quote calling Obama boy and could not find it.

So what did the Clinton's do? They got him right where it hurt by using that Church in Chicago to get him back! Tit for tat. You get black people to hate us, and we will get white people to hate you. The only problem is that Obama was not trying to get black people to hate her. They did that on their own by letting Billy Clinton try to run the show.

The only problem is that it was the Clinton's who made the mistake of making the wrong call on how to play the race card, and they got caught out there. This is what prompted them to go to plan 2

They revamped their campaign, and they got new help.

They played it, and they played it successfully, but it has, unfortunately, backfired because she has lost the respect of many.

Ooops, don't say it doesn't matter - because it does.
Don't compare her to Obama. We have to take reponsibility for what she has done wrong and accept it so we can write to her website and let her know how she can help make the situation better. We can't go around and cry and try to manipulate the minds by sounding like talk radio. That is not how we unifiy this DNC.

There are many that would argue who it was that played that race card. For as many article as I can find to exonerate HRC – I am sure there are OS that will find articles to vilify her – probably more because we know how in love with Obama the MSM is, but here is a small excerpt from an article in The New Republic. The entire article is worth the read, although I doubt many will bother as they seem to think Obama’s tepid win has given him some kind of mandate in the Dem Party. (Hmm – where have I heard that before?)

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign.

They are doing to Michelle what they did to Hillary. I don't like it.

They went after HRC for bucking the traditional “wife/first lady” role. I think if there is proof (not just suggestions) that MO does bear racial animosity towards whites (or ANY other group) that should be taken into consideration.

Just that the "legit" press will never tell you that!

[snip]


Tru..by the way...THOSE TWO ARE STILL UNDECLARED!

Well – technically. But, it has been blatantly obvious who it is they support. Please don’t let Pelosi’s support be because she is under consideration for VP. I would scrap my green vote and actually vote for McCain if that is the case!

This question might have been asked previously if it has I appologize.

How many Hillary supporters that are NOT going to vote for BO would change their minds if she was the VP?

I'm confilcted in this area to be honest. I really do not like BO and the way he ran his campaign. I hate the Main Stream Media for their extremely biased coverage of BO. I have never been so angry with the DNC and the Democratic leaders before. Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry etc.

What is everyone else's opinions?

I kind of agree BUT they could do wonders for party unity if they could effectively put it all behind them. They could blame it all on campaign rhetoric, the heat of the moment, sunspots or something. They need to address the bitterness anyway or else Hillary's endorsement will ring hollow.

To me it is more than bitterness. This whole thing has driven out to the open the disregard and disrespect our society feels towards women. I keep hearing that if I do not unify behind this candidate that I am just displaying a sour grapes mentality. I should be protecting my own self interests (ie SCJ/Roe v Wade, Iraq etc..) by falling in line with my fellow liberals. But, I think there is way more misogyny and sexism than any are willing to even look at let alone begin talking about. It does more than make me sad, it scares me. And it should scare every thinking woman. It amazes me that it doesn’t.

One of my heroes was Rosa Parks. When I learned about her in school, I still remember thinking what kind of courage and guts she had to have. She really sacrificed EVERYTHING when she refused to move to the back of the bus. I really have no doubts that a white man could have dragged her from that bus, beaten her to death and gotten away with it. Those were the times she lived in. So, it really was in her best interest to fall in line, go with the flow and the majority rule and move herself to the back of the bus, wasn’t it? Not just her, but every single person who went against what they should do for what they needed to do. I can’t imagine where we would be if they hadn’t.

I am not jumping on the Obama bandwagon (even if HRC takes the VP spot) because I feel like it would be taking that seat in the back of the bus in terms of equal rights and treatment for women.

And just to head some off at the pass…
Do I think my protest vote for the Green Party in anyway compares to Rosa Parks? Not even a little. I could only hope some day to be that brave.
Aren’t I afraid of a McCain administration? No – I have survived 8 years of Bush - McCain has a long way to go to match that.
What if Roe v Wade is overturned? I have said all along that the movers and shakers on the right make far more political hay with the “idea” of overturning it than the actuality.
What about Iraq? Honestly – I doubt that ANY of them will be able to yank our troops out of there as fast as we would like. John McCain’s own service actually makes me feel better about the choices he might make as he has “been there, done that” and knows exactly the sacrifices that our troops make.
Isn’t healthcare important to you? Yes – one of the top issues for me. Both Obama’s and McCain’s plans are so bad that it is a wash there for me, but with a slight edge to McCain. He doesn’t really plan to do anything about it at all, so when we do get someone in there with an actual working plan – they won’t have to undo any previous attempts.

(yes - long post and kind of rambling. I am recovering from bronchial pneumonia and I am a little fuzzy headed. And I am REALLY trying to stay away from the political posts because I don't like it when people hate me)

They could just do the enemy of my enemy theme with McCain being the common enemy.

I would love to see them both on the ticket and shatter two glass ceilings at once.

What glass ceilings are you referring to? We see well qualified women having to take the number two seat to a lesser qualified man all the time.

 

[JARNJ3]

(1)This still chaps my hide – this is the exact quote:
“Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice in '84 and '88. And he ran a good campaign, and Senator Obama's run a good campaign here. He's run a good campaign everywhere.” After all the talk about Obama’s “historical run for the presidency” who the heck was he supposed to compare him to? And did he slam or talk down either Jackson or Obama – no! He said they were both good campaigns. There was quite a bit of assumption and conjecture that took this statement from being what it was into the supposed racist comment that it became. Holy cripes – reading IS a good thing but loses a lot without simple comprehension.

Thank you.

They went after HRC for bucking the traditional “wife/first lady” role. I think if there is proof (not just suggestions) that MO does bear racial animosity towards whites (or ANY other group) that should be taken into consideration.

I agree - but what appears to be happening is a Karl Rove-like whisper campaign - where its not true - but if its repeated many many times - people will believe it.

I'm not crazy about Obama - but I don't like this tactic.

To me it is more than bitterness. This whole thing has driven out to the open the disregard and disrespect our society feels towards women. I keep hearing that if I do not unify behind this candidate that I am just displaying a sour grapes mentality. I should be protecting my own self interests (ie SCJ/Roe v Wade, Iraq etc..) by falling in line with my fellow liberals. But, I think there is way more misogyny and sexism than any are willing to even look at let alone begin talking about. It does more than make me sad, it scares me. And it should scare every thinking woman. It amazes me that it doesn’t.

One of my heroes was Rosa Parks. When I learned about her in school, I still remember thinking what kind of courage and guts she had to have. She really sacrificed EVERYTHING when she refused to move to the back of the bus. I really have no doubts that a white man could have dragged her from that bus, beaten her to death and gotten away with it. Those were the times she lived in. So, it really was in her best interest to fall in line, go with the flow and the majority rule and move herself to the back of the bus, wasn’t it? Not just her, but every single person who went against what they should do for what they needed to do. I can’t imagine where we would be if they hadn’t.

I am not jumping on the Obama bandwagon (even if HRC takes the VP spot) because I feel like it would be taking that seat in the back of the bus in terms of equal rights and treatment for women.

And just to head some off at the pass…
Do I think my protest vote for the Green Party in anyway compares to Rosa Parks? Not even a little. I could only hope some day to be that brave.
Aren’t I afraid of a McCain administration? No – I have survived 8 years of Bush - McCain has a long way to go to match that.
What if Roe v Wade is overturned? I have said all along that the movers and shakers on the right make far more political hay with the “idea” of overturning it than the actuality.
What about Iraq? Honestly – I doubt that ANY of them will be able to yank our troops out of there as fast as we would like. John McCain’s own service actually makes me feel better about the choices he might make as he has “been there, done that” and knows exactly the sacrifices that our troops make.
Isn’t healthcare important to you? Yes – one of the top issues for me. Both Obama’s and McCain’s plans are so bad that it is a wash there for me, but with a slight edge to McCain. He doesn’t really plan to do anything about it at all, so when we do get someone in there with an actual working plan – they won’t have to undo any previous attempts.

(yes - long post and kind of rambling. I am recovering from bronchial pneumonia and I am a little fuzzy headed. And I am REALLY trying to stay away from the political posts because I don't like it when people hate me)

I don't hate you. And I hope you are feeling better!!!

I will be considering Obama - because as I have stated previously - Hillary asked me to. And my Dad is very upset that I am thinking of not voting (I won't vote for McCain or Green (because I can't stand Ralph Nader)). I also told him I'd consider Obama.......

What glass ceilings are you referring to? We see well qualified women having to take the number two seat to a lesser qualified man all the time.

I believe the other ceiling was the African American (or people of color) ceiling.......

 

["Got Disney"]

MSNBC is a sorry excuse for a news network and I have never gotten the worship of Olbermann. It's no wonder that some HS are so angry if you listen to some of these nutcases.

Womanizers like Olbermann hate woman ...except when in the kitchen baking him cookies once an *** always an ***

I loved Hillary's speech...she even made me think about voting for Obama....well at least to having a DEM in office and why we need to. Anyone that thinks or poo poos her speech is also as ***....

I have not watched TV all day long and just got home and checked my e-mail from Hillary's campaign with the speech on it so say down and watched it. She ROCKS!!!!! I will watch her speech again because I found it very uplifting

 

[KikiFan]

My response to you-

A. So what does it have to do with?

You implied that HS hated Obama because he beat Hillary. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I dislike Obama because of his positions, because of his associations, and because of the dirty way he handled his campaign.


B. No I am not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you think they Clintons did not bring race into the picture you are not correctly looking into this. No. Sorry. Look beyond the media spin and BS. Clinton made a simple comment comparing two candidates. One of whom was a personal friend of his. It was the media, with prompting from the Obama camp that turned the comments into some sort of racial slur. And if you don't believe me there's an interview out there with Obama and Russert were he admits that it was his campaign sending the press memos telling them that the comment had "racial overtones".

C. So don't accuse me of being an anti HS until you ask.

Almost every time you came on this thread you came dragging some article bashing Hillary. One of them was particularly vile calling Hillary and Bill a cancer. So no, nothing you posted ever gave the impression that you liked Hillary one tiny bit.

Connie

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[DISUNC]

I had a house full of company today...and was mostly poolside. I Dvr'd the speech (thankfully I added 2 hours onto when it was suppose to start).

I liked that she was late!

A very sad day for her, and this country. It's so OBVIOUS to me and about 18 million other people that she truly was THE BEST CANDIDATE.
That was not a easy speech for her to give. Nor should have it been necessary.

Anyhooooooooooooooo as of today I have no horses in this race, and I couldnt care less as to who wins or looses. Both candidates have their good points & bad. I dont trust Obama for a split second, and beieve he will acctually be another Bush presidency (same attitude they both have) so with that in mind and the retailation of what the DNC & the Media did to her and Bill, my vote will go to McCain.

Cnn did mention that Obama did not listen to Hillarys speech, he was golfing! Shows you how "unified" he is.

I hope that her speech today smoothed some ruffled feathers.

Sorry but ! Never will happen either. A great wrong has been done, and we Americans will pay the ultimate price for it. We so needed and deserved a "Sure Bet" candidate & a qualified candidate. And they handed us !

Did you hear her part of the speech where she said she'd like to think that glass ceiling had about 18 million cracks? I thought that was excellent imagery there.

MSNBC is a sorry excuse for a news network and I have never gotten the worship of Olbermann. It's no wonder that some HS are so angry if you listen to some of these nutcases.

Does anybody really watch MSNBC???? I never ever even think to put it on.

(1)This still chaps my hide – this is the exact quote:
“Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice in '84 and '88. And he ran a good campaign, and Senator Obama's run a good campaign here. He's run a good campaign everywhere.” After all the talk about Obama’s “historical run for the presidency” who the heck was he supposed to compare him to? And did he slam or talk down either Jackson or Obama – no! He said they were both good campaigns. There was quite a bit of assumption and conjecture that took this statement from being what it was into the supposed racist comment that it became. Holy cripes – reading IS a good thing but loses a lot without simple comprehension.

(2) Please provide quote and link for this. I spent some time on google looking for a Clinton quote calling Obama boy and could not find it.




There are many that would argue who it was that played that race card. For as many article as I can find to exonerate HRC – I am sure there are OS that will find articles to vilify her – probably more because we know how in love with Obama the MSM is, but here is a small excerpt from an article in The New Republic. The entire article is worth the read, although I doubt many will bother as they seem to think Obama’s tepid win has given him some kind of mandate in the Dem Party. (Hmm – where have I heard that before?)




They went after HRC for bucking the traditional “wife/first lady” role. I think if there is proof (not just suggestions) that MO does bear racial animosity towards whites (or ANY other group) that should be taken into consideration.




Well – technically. But, it has been blatantly obvious who it is they support. Please don’t let Pelosi’s support be because she is under consideration for VP. I would scrap my green vote and actually vote for McCain if that is the case!

To me it is more than bitterness. This whole thing has driven out to the open the disregard and disrespect our society feels towards women. I keep hearing that if I do not unify behind this candidate that I am just displaying a sour grapes mentality. I should be protecting my own self interests (ie SCJ/Roe v Wade, Iraq etc..) by falling in line with my fellow liberals. But, I think there is way more misogyny and sexism than any are willing to even look at let alone begin talking about. It does more than make me sad, it scares me. And it should scare every thinking woman. It amazes me that it doesn’t.

One of my heroes was Rosa Parks. When I learned about her in school, I still remember thinking what kind of courage and guts she had to have. She really sacrificed EVERYTHING when she refused to move to the back of the bus. I really have no doubts that a white man could have dragged her from that bus, beaten her to death and gotten away with it. Those were the times she lived in. So, it really was in her best interest to fall in line, go with the flow and the majority rule and move herself to the back of the bus, wasn’t it? Not just her, but every single person who went against what they should do for what they needed to do. I can’t imagine where we would be if they hadn’t.

I am not jumping on the Obama bandwagon (even if HRC takes the VP spot) because I feel like it would be taking that seat in the back of the bus in terms of equal rights and treatment for women.

And just to head some off at the pass…
Do I think my protest vote for the Green Party in anyway compares to Rosa Parks? Not even a little. I could only hope some day to be that brave.
Aren’t I afraid of a McCain administration? No – I have survived 8 years of Bush - McCain has a long way to go to match that.
What if Roe v Wade is overturned? I have said all along that the movers and shakers on the right make far more political hay with the “idea” of overturning it than the actuality.
What about Iraq? Honestly – I doubt that ANY of them will be able to yank our troops out of there as fast as we would like. John McCain’s own service actually makes me feel better about the choices he might make as he has “been there, done that” and knows exactly the sacrifices that our troops make.
Isn’t healthcare important to you? Yes – one of the top issues for me. Both Obama’s and McCain’s plans are so bad that it is a wash there for me, but with a slight edge to McCain. He doesn’t really plan to do anything about it at all, so when we do get someone in there with an actual working plan – they won’t have to undo any previous attempts.

(yes - long post and kind of rambling. I am recovering from bronchial pneumonia and I am a little fuzzy headed. And I am REALLY trying to stay away from the political posts because I don't like it when people hate me)


What glass ceilings are you referring to? We see well qualified women having to take the number two seat to a lesser qualified man all the time.

I hope you feel better. Pnemonia is horrible, and worse in the summer months!

One great thing about the HRC candidacy, We all made made some great new Dis Friends!!!!!
Its been a blast getting to know you all these past few months!

​

 

[KikiFan]

(1)This still chaps my hide – this is the exact quote:
“Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice in '84 and '88. And he ran a good campaign, and Senator Obama's run a good campaign here. He's run a good campaign everywhere.” After all the talk about Obama’s “historical run for the presidency” who the heck was he supposed to compare him to? And did he slam or talk down either Jackson or Obama – no! He said they were both good campaigns. There was quite a bit of assumption and conjecture that took this statement from being what it was into the supposed racist comment that it became. Holy cripes – reading IS a good thing but loses a lot without simple comprehension.

(2) Please provide quote and link for this. I spent some time on google looking for a Clinton quote calling Obama boy and could not find it.

THANK YOU!!!!

This whole thing has driven out to the open the disregard and disrespect our society feels towards women. I keep hearing that if I do not unify behind this candidate that I am just displaying a sour grapes mentality. I should be protecting my own self interests (ie SCJ/Roe v Wade, Iraq etc..) by falling in line with my fellow liberals. But, I think there is way more misogyny and sexism than any are willing to even look at let alone begin talking about. It does more than make me sad, it scares me. And it should scare every thinking woman. It amazes me that it doesn’t.

One of my heroes was Rosa Parks. When I learned about her in school, I still remember thinking what kind of courage and guts she had to have. She really sacrificed EVERYTHING when she refused to move to the back of the bus. I really have no doubts that a white man could have dragged her from that bus, beaten her to death and gotten away with it. Those were the times she lived in. So, it really was in her best interest to fall in line, go with the flow and the majority rule and move herself to the back of the bus, wasn’t it? Not just her, but every single person who went against what they should do for what they needed to do. I can’t imagine where we would be if they hadn’t.

I am not jumping on the Obama bandwagon (even if HRC takes the VP spot) because I feel like it would be taking that seat in the back of the bus in terms of equal rights and treatment for women.

MyManGoofy............. I love you. That is all.

 

["Got Disney"]

Obama was golfing what's up with that he most likely knew what she was going to say from the meeting they had

Been great getting to know you also and hope that you stay and dont go away from this thread...many if not most of us at this point still feel like we have no candidate either

will be interesting to see what the debates bring us

 

[Planogirl]

I understand the frustration, I definitely do. However, I'm trying to figure out what will be best for the future particularly my son's. I can't help but feel that Hillary being in there in some capacity would be good for everyone.

I do believe that Hillary has already knocked down a lot of barriers as far as women go. She didn't go the distance but she did a heck of a job in spite of so much being stacked against her. People even now blame her for Bill's affairs for example and she was a victim! And much of that comes from other women!

I admire her more than I can say for her strength and continued good spirits. I hope that more women rise in her footsteps after seeing what can be done.

 

[KikiFan]

I found this online and thought (most) of you on this thread would appreciate it.

It's a great POV about the Clintons

Also, congratulations to Senator Clinton, who in my view showed Democrats what a fighter looks like. This is the closest primary in history and despite what the bloviators and the gasbags have been saying for months, she had not only a right, but a duty, to fight on until the end for the half of the Democratic party that supported her. Clinton too was an historic candidate who inspired millions of people and she has my admiration.

If I might digress a bit and say one word about the Clintons, who to many are personas non grata in the Democratic Party now. Whatever happens, Bill Clinton will still be the 42nd president of the United States and the first two term Democrat since Roosevelt. That's never going to change. Democrats should ask themselves, once the smoke has cleared, if it's really a good idea to discredit his accomplishments. However you personally may feel about him, there is value in a popular ex-president remaining popular. Political value. (See: Reagan legacy project.) The question is what they are valued for.

I see the Clintons as warrior chiefs against the hardcore conservative movement machine that nearly crippled this country (but which may have just run its course after drifting into decadence and hubris.) But, at the time of the movement's greatest power and influence, no one took more crap or was more deft at beating them back. I, for one, am grateful to both of them for taking a nearly unbelievable amount of heat from both the media and the Republicans during that era --- and surviving.

Bill Clinton is in the pantheon of popular ex-presidents who continues to do important work on global initiatives. Hillary Clinton is a Senator and historic breakthrough presidential candidate who won more primary votes than any candidate in history aside from Barack Obama. Al Gore is a global leader and Nobel prize winner. On the other side of that epic battle, Newt Gingrich is a Fox News commentator, writing reviews of mystery thrillers on Amazon. Tom Delay is a private citizen facing indictment. Half of the social conservatives who unctuously criticized Clinton's behavior have been run out of town on morals charges. Fox News is sinking in the ratings faster than George W. Bush.

The Clintons didn't single handedly defeat the conservatives, but they fought them off valiantly when the movement was at its pinnacle and they deserve some credit for that. It's hard to believe that we could have been worse off if they hadn't, but believe me, we would have.

 

[disneyjunkie]

What glass ceilings are you referring to? We see well qualified women having to take the number two seat to a lesser qualified man all the time.

We've also seen the same thing happen to black people (both male and female).

 

[Purrrrfecta]

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Yes, and if you see the editorial you will see that it was written by one of Clinton's former campaign people.

You should also see what I wrote in response to it.

 

[bimshire]

I can understand the disappointment but what I don't get is cutting off one's own nose. I have yet to find a HS to outline what specifically McCain will do for them. For the 15 or so months of the campaign, both sets of supporters (HS & OS) along with the press have repeatedly said that Obama and Hillary are similar. I have a 20 yr. old daughter, so the replacement of the next 2 justices are on my mind plus I have 2 teen sons and so I want the USA to get of the Middle East and let ALL the occupants fights their historical, current, and future wars.

Any takers (HS) want to take a shot at listing what McSame is going to do for them?

Obama/Richardson 08

 

[MAKmom]

He won't try & take all my money

 

[KikiFan]

Yes, and if you see the editorial you will see that it was written by one of Clinton's former campaign people.

You should also see what I wrote in response to it.

Nah. I can guess what your comments were like - I've read enough of posts here for a life time.

 

[DISUNC]

Obamatopia




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIRaFfMGNSc

 

[jacksonsmom]

Great speech by Hillary yesterday. She is a powerful woman and someone I greatly admire.

With that being said, I will not vote for Obama. I don't fault Hillary for saying we need to get behind Obama, of course he had to say that to save her own career
She knows, along with about 18 million others, that she is the best candidate.

But all in the past now. Just because Hillary says we need to support Obama, does not erase by uneasiness about him and thinking that he is so shady and a big time crook worries me how much corrupt he will bring to the White House.
Obama is not "new" or "different" politics, he is the same or even dirtier then some of them.
One day the floor will open up on Obama and his pretty image

What is Hillary gets the VP spot? That would be the only way I will even THINK of voting for Obama. It will not be an automatic decision but one I have to think long and hard about.
Honestly I still don't know if I could actually vote for Obama. I tend to think I won't vote for Obama even with Hillary as the VP.

If Hillary does not get the VP spot, then Nope....no vote for Obama, period.

Since I have no candidate that I truly support anymore it will be an interesting general from the sidelines.
Let the mudslinging begin!

 

[chobie]

Obamatopia




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIRaFfMGNSc

No war, universal health care, and no Christian right loonies.